Founding Principles of the "new Third Party" even if it ends up being Libertarian Party

[EMH]

What do 60% of Americans support?


1. Election Integrity - the Save Act, making sure our elections are done with legal citizens only voting, no programmable machined races, real ID required, ability to "audit" accurately, no more mail in ballots or ballots cast after election day

2. The National Debt is a Big problem - $39 trillion and counting, no end in sight as the Iran War is going to cost at least a couple of trillion more. That's why the Libertarian Party makes sense, because at this point in time, we need fiscal conservatism, liberals who understand math know it. No more budgets handed out in Congress 20 minutes before another "shutdown" forces all to vote for all the waste fraud abuse and treason it funds.

https://thehill.com/video/national-debt-hits-39-trillion-as-trump-claims-his-policies-will-ease-deficit-trending/11622830/

3. Meritocracy - no discrimination, no preferential treatment, the best person for the job, the school etc.

4. Those born male need to play mens sports and use the mens bathroom

5. School vouchers for all - the public education monopoly is a massive tumor fueling idiocy, bigotry, America hating, and homosexuality

6. The US military is to be used solely for US National Interest, nothing else, no "nation building" etc. The US military is specifically not supposed to be used to "reconquer the Promised Land for Israel" which is the vast majority of what has happened in the past quarter century

7. There needs to be a massive "restructuring" of our "17 intel agencies" that are packed with traitors and do nothing but lie to us

8. Everything "redacted" gets unredacted and fully released. We, the American People, demand it. For right now with the Only Israel Matters GOP and the Conspiracy to Steal from the Taxpayer Dems, we are told WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. um.... YES WE DO!!!

9, America has freedom of religion, and that includes freedom from religion. You are free to practice your religion in compliance with the law, but your religions should have nothing to do with US foreign policy. No religion is to ever be allowed to "force" itself on anyone else, or government policy. Democracy not Theocracy.

10. secure border/ criminal illegals deported

11. the concept that the GOP and Dems, in their current form, are just dumping America in the trash can. There isn't a molecule of patriotism to America in either one. The only way to save America is for the good patriotic people, even with different views on spending/taxes/size/scope of govt, to unite behind a new banner, Libertarian or another, to STOP the GOP and the Dems from doing more harm and selling us out again. THEY are "fired."

 

[d0gbreath]

We've had many third parties in America. Check the historical stats to see how well they've done.
They usually effect elections by cutting one of the regular parties in half, and making them lose.
Guess which one gets cut with your suggestions?

 

[Oddball]

The Libertarian Party abandoned principles in the wake of the hostile takeover by a zillion jilted Berntards....As if their recent habit of nominating washed up GOP retreads wasn't bad enough.

 

[EMH]

We've had many third parties in America. Check the historical stats to see how well they've done.
They usually effect elections by cutting one of the regular parties in half, and making them lose.
Guess which one gets cut with your suggestions?

True, but this time the Dems and GOP are both at 27%. When Ross Perot ran, Dems were in the low 40s, GOP the high 30s. There is now a clear majority of "independents."

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We've had many third parties in America. Check the historical stats to see how well they've done.
They usually effect elections by cutting one of the regular parties in half, and making them lose.
Guess which one gets cut with your suggestions?

I voted for perot.

 

[EMH]

The Libertarian Party abandoned principles in the wake of the hostile takeover by a zillion jilted Berntards....As if their recent habit of nominating washed up GOP retreads wasn't bad enough.

The LP is a 1% debate club, and yes many of us were very angry at our "candidate" last time.

But that is with 1%. The LP is a "hackable" party. Add in 30%+ and the 1% cease to rule it. LP is registered for every election. It is a "shell" to be used to unite those who have "had it" with

the Only Israel Matters GOP

and

the bigoted woke kleptocratic treasonous "conspiracy to steal from the taxpayer" Dem Party




America IS DOOMED if we continue like we have for the past 25 years...

This is the only way, Trump just proved it by selling us out.

 

[EMH]

I voted for perot.

Many did, and understand the cause.

 

[d0gbreath]

True, but this time the Dems and GOP are both at 27%. When Ross Perot ran, Dems were in the low 40s, GOP the high 30s. There is now a clear majority of "independents."

Cool, show us your stuff! I've always found Independents to be disgruntled Republicans.

 

[EMH]

Cool, show us your stuff! I've always found Independents to be disgruntled Republicans.

The Democrats were still in the low 40s a decade ago. They aren't anymore.

The LP has indeed been a historical place for "disgruntled Republicans" just as the Green Party for "disgruntled Democrats."

 

[EMH]

New High of 45% in U.S. Identify as Political Independents

A new high of 45% of U.S. adults identified as political independents in 2025.

news.gallup.com

 

[d0gbreath]

I voted for perot.

And Clinton won. It's like Ralph Nader interfering enough to give the win to W.

 

[EMH]

And Clinton won. It's like Ralph Nader interfering enough to give the win to W.

But the the playing field is different.

When Nader ran the Dems were in the low 40 and the GOP the high 30s, meaning under 30% were independent.


Now it is 27% 27% and 45% Independent.


You do understand math, right...

 

[d0gbreath]

But the the playing field is different.

When Nader ran the Dems were in the low 40 and the GOP the high 30s, meaning under 30% were independent.


Now it is 27% 27% and 45% Independent.


You do understand math, right...

I do, and I understand that polling results are dependent upon who you ask.

 

[EMH]

I do, and I understand that polling results are dependent upon who you ask.

You can allege poll bias.

In reality, Gallups

27% Dem and 27% GOP - 45% independent

was done before Iran, and Iran likely will result in the 27% of GOP dropping closer to 20%

 

[LordBrownTrout]

And Clinton won. It's like Ralph Nader interfering enough to give the win to W.

Lol, I voted for nader too. I really wanted perot to win and bush 1 to lose so that came true. Didn't care for bubba but really didn't like bush 1.

 

[EMH]

Lol, I voted for nader too. I really wanted perot to win and bush 1 to lose so that came true. Didn't care for bubba but really didn't like bush 1.

That was a time when both the GOP and the Dems each outnumbered independents. That is not the case today. There are reasons to suspect 10% out of the 27% who still ID as Dems are "loose" and very unhappy with the Dems. For the GOP post Iran war, the percent is even higher. About half of those who voted for Trump now feel completely betrayed like Joe Kent.

 

[IM2]

Yeah, Libertarians generally are people who lean Republican. The only thing that will make me go to a third party is concrete poof that their candidates and party do not take money from huge billion-dollar individuals and corporations. I like the democratic policies; the problem they have is that their leadership is too tied up with large donors.

 

[22lcidw]

But the the playing field is different.

When Nader ran the Dems were in the low 40 and the GOP the high 30s, meaning under 30% were independent.


Now it is 27% 27% and 45% Independent.


You do understand math, right...

Whatever happens, they need to have a fair percentage of base voters and not be corrupted/infected by any of the other two parties.

 

[EMH]

Whatever happens, they need to have a fair percentage of base voters and not be corrupted/infected by any of the other two parties.

The simple truth is that the clear majority of Americans does not like either party because neither does AMERICA any good, at least not in the past quarter century.

 

[Independent thinker]

What do 60% of Americans support?


1. Election Integrity - the Save Act, making sure our elections are done with legal citizens only voting, no programmable machined races, real ID required, ability to "audit" accurately, no more mail in ballots or ballots cast after election day

2. The National Debt is a Big problem - $39 trillion and counting, no end in sight as the Iran War is going to cost at least a couple of trillion more. That's why the Libertarian Party makes sense, because at this point in time, we need fiscal conservatism, liberals who understand math know it. No more budgets handed out in Congress 20 minutes before another "shutdown" forces all to vote for all the waste fraud abuse and treason it funds.

https://thehill.com/video/national-debt-hits-39-trillion-as-trump-claims-his-policies-will-ease-deficit-trending/11622830/

3. Meritocracy - no discrimination, no preferential treatment, the best person for the job, the school etc.

4. Those born male need to play mens sports and use the mens bathroom

5. School vouchers for all - the public education monopoly is a massive tumor fueling idiocy, bigotry, America hating, and homosexuality

6. The US military is to be used solely for US National Interest, nothing else, no "nation building" etc. The US military is specifically not supposed to be used to "reconquer the Promised Land for Israel" which is the vast majority of what has happened in the past quarter century

7. There needs to be a massive "restructuring" of our "17 intel agencies" that are packed with traitors and do nothing but lie to us

8. Everything "redacted" gets unredacted and fully released. We, the American People, demand it. For right now with the Only Israel Matters GOP and the Conspiracy to Steal from the Taxpayer Dems, we are told WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. um.... YES WE DO!!!

9, America has freedom of religion, and that includes freedom from religion. You are free to practice your religion in compliance with the law, but your religions should have nothing to do with US foreign policy. No religion is to ever be allowed to "force" itself on anyone else, or government policy. Democracy not Theocracy.

10. secure border/ criminal illegals deported

11. the concept that the GOP and Dems, in their current form, are just dumping America in the trash can. There isn't a molecule of patriotism to America in either one. The only way to save America is for the good patriotic people, even with different views on spending/taxes/size/scope of govt, to unite behind a new banner, Libertarian or another, to STOP the GOP and the Dems from doing more harm and selling us out again. THEY are "fired."

I have a problem with:

#5. Public schools are a necessary function and taking too much money away from them would destroy them in the end. That transition would be brutal. I would favor fixing their problems instead of making them worse.

#6. Ah yes, the anti Hitler, anti Jew philosophy. Let Hitler take over the rest of ther world, not our problem. And let the Jews and the state of Israel be wiped off the face of the Earth, their problem, not ours. We need to stand up to evil in this world before the evil takes over the world and we need to do it BEFORE the evil get too powerful.

#8. This is just insane. We do need to have redacted things and we do need to keep secrets from Americans.

Then I have questions on:

#10. are "criminal illegals" ALL illegals? Deporting every single illegal would also bust the budget, which you griped about in #2. I favor immigration reform but immigration reform means we stop illegals from coming here permanently, not just during one administration. Once the border is fixed permanently then we can look at integrating those already here and changing the immigration laws allowing more legal immigration at times needed for the economy and more restricted when not needed for the economy. We toss birthright citizenship out the window and counting illegals in censuses and giving them any kind of benefits, federal or state. The problem has always been that democrats can't be trusted to stop illegal immigration and often encourage it.

#11 As far as presidential elections, we should allow more than just two parties running for president, without making it a free for all. By this I mean we change the electoral vote system of needing 270 votes to win to a different number based on how many legitimate candidates are running. Again, not making it a free for all. Right now a third party candidate in the presidential election has no hope of winning, even when no candidate can hit the 270 votes. However, I would still favor a system which doesn't mean California and New York get to decide who wins.