What's the best defense against Iran's drones?

[Chuz Life]

Take away Russia's nukes - and they are almost on the same security & military level as Iran - is that the point you are trying to make? in that case your HOPE goes bust. - sorry.

I'll make the point with a question.

Would Chinese troops in Iran fare any better than North Korean troops are in Ukraine?

I say no.

You are welcome to disagree.

 

[JohnDB]

Do you think we can get back missiles from Zelensky? The ones he hasn't either fired or sold to Israel and the cartels

We have.
He used a bunch but some things weren't working effectively anymore for his troops due to their war environment even though they were very expensive. So we took those things back.
We DO have an ability to use them.
This came out in a POTUS tweet earlier this week.

The hot "front line" for Ukraine is like between 20-40 kilometers wide. Which causes wild shifts and swings of territory. (Currently Russia has lost more ground than gained this year) Artillery use is non existent anymore. (Russian artillery barrels are worn out anyway) Drone warfare is becoming increasingly more effective than anything else and EVERYWHERE has a ton of mines....completely saturated front lines with mines, trenches, and tunnels.....

This is why we took some stuff back. They don't need it and don't want it....couldn't use it even though they had it.

 

[Kruska]

I'll make the point with a question.

Would Chinese troops in Iran fair any better than North Korean troops are in Ukraine?

I say no.

You are welcome to disagree.

China would NEVER deploy it's troops the way N-Korea is factually allowing and doing it in Ukraine. And neither would they place them under Russian orders and control. So your attempted comparison between Ukraine and Iran lacks any substance.

Furthermore China is not an aggressor state like, Israel, NATO or the USA. Their sole conviction is to defend China - therefore their Access Denial Strategy, and not world dominance through wars and regime changes via military actions.

 

[Chuz Life]

China would NEVER deploy it's troops the way N-Korea is factually allowing and doing it in Ukraine. And neither would they place them under Russian orders and control. So your attempted comparison between Ukraine and Iran lacks any substance.

Furthermore China is not an aggressor state like, Israel, NATO or the USA. Their sole conviction is to defend China - therefore their Access Denial Strategy, and not world dominance through wars and regime changes via military actions.

China is passive?

Great!

Taiwan must feel better about that.

Like Hong Kong probably did.

 

[Kruska]

We have.
He used a bunch but some things weren't working effectively anymore for his troops due to their war environment even though they were very expensive. So we took those things back.
We DO have an ability to use them.
This came out in a POTUS tweet earlier this week.

Sure - he also lied his ass off today in the presence of German Chancellor Merz.
NATO and therefore Germany are very well aware about the US shortage of Patriot and other AA systems.

The hot "front line" for Ukraine is like between 20-40 kilometers wide. Which causes wild shifts and swings of territory. (Currently Russia has lost more ground than gained this year) Artillery use is non existent anymore. (Russian artillery barrels are worn out anyway) Drone warfare is becoming increasingly more effective than anything else and EVERYWHERE has a ton of mines....completely saturated front lines with mines, trenches, and tunnels.....

This is why we took some stuff back. They don't need it and don't want it....couldn't use it even though they had it.

US clears Ukraine upgrade order on Patriot missile system

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is traveling to Turkey on Wednesday to revive US involvement in diplomatic efforts. He said last month that Ukraine needed another 25 Patriot systems to fend off escalating Russian attacks.

www.lemonde.fr

The United States on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 approved a $105 million sale to Ukraine to upgrade and sustain Patriot missile defenses, as Russia keeps pummeling its smaller neighbor.

Maybe he retracted the above "deal" - but the US did not remove a single Patriot battery in Ukraine.

 

[Kruska]

China is passive?

Tell me about any country they militarily attacked since 1980!!!

Great!

Agree

Taiwan must feel better about that.

Absolutely, - however they are fully aware that if they should allow US military presence on Taiwan - they are a gone case.
Probably their government is shitting their pants - that due to shortage, the USA & Israel will claim their Patriot systems.

Like Hong Kong probably did.

Don't recall China having killed HK protestors, despite millions being involved - unlike ICE in the USA - managing to kill own citizens in isolated incidents.

 

[JohnDB]

Sure - he also lied his ass off today in the presence of German Chancellor Merz.
NATO and therefore Germany are very well aware about the US shortage of Patriot and other AA systems.

US clears Ukraine upgrade order on Patriot missile system

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is traveling to Turkey on Wednesday to revive US involvement in diplomatic efforts. He said last month that Ukraine needed another 25 Patriot systems to fend off escalating Russian attacks.

www.lemonde.fr

The United States on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 approved a $105 million sale to Ukraine to upgrade and sustain Patriot missile defenses, as Russia keeps pummeling its smaller neighbor.

Maybe he retracted the above "deal" - but the US did not remove a single Patriot battery in Ukraine.

I did not say anything about the patriot system. And it wasn't even on my mind.

Sure, everyone wants Patriot2....
Doesn't mean they get it.

And why would Trump lie?
Lame Duck president, and unless it's a matter of national security he really does not care. Ascribing caring to Trump about his reputation is a bridge too far. Not in his repertoire. He has been used to having "F.U. Money" and really doesn't care on a regular basis. Why would he start now?
It's not like Democrats are gonna like him.....ever.

 

[Chuz Life]

Tell me about any country they militarily attacked since 1980!!!

Agree

Absolutely, - however they are fully aware that if they should allow US military presence on Taiwan - they are a gone case.
Probably their government is shitting their pants - that due to shortage, the USA & Israel will claim their Patriot systems.

Don't recall China having killed HK protestors, despite millions being involved - unlike ICE in the USA - managing to kill own citizens in isolated incidents.

I never said China killed the protesters in Hong Kong.

I said te;; the people of Hong Kong about how "passive" China is.

2019–2020 Hong Kong protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Flopper]

During WW2 the US navy had effective anti-aircraft guns with proximity fused shells.

So why are we shooting $20,000,000 missiles at $20,000 drones?

Is there a computer/AI controlled anti-aircraft gun system that might be better?

U.S. 40mm Bofors Anti-Aircraft (WWII) - Inert-Ord.Net

I believe our effectiveness at bringing down swarms of hundreds of drones is much better with missiles than WWII anti-aircraft guns. The reason being missiles can accurately take out drones over 10 miles out. Those that get through can be taken out by short range missiles that are more accurate. 99% of drones are being taken out by missles. I doubt you could get anything close to that using old anti-aircraft guns.

 

[JohnDB]

I believe our effectiveness at bringing down swarms of hundreds of drones is much better with missiles than WWII anti-aircraft guns. The reason being missiles can accurately take out drones over 10 miles out. Those that get through can be taken out by short range missiles that are more accurate. 99% of drones are being taken out by missles. I doubt you could get anything close to that using old anti-aircraft guns.

I was thinking swarms of low cost drones using proximity fusing would be effective.

 

[Flopper]

scruffy, toobfreak I see an opportunity here!

We need much more effective defensive weapons if for no other reason, reconstruction costs is about 20 times as much as it was 85 years ago.

 

[Kruska]

I never said China killed the protesters in Hong Kong.

I said te;; the people of Hong Kong about how "passive" China is.

2019–2020 Hong Kong protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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So what do the HK people know or think about China's "passiveness" in regards to MILITARY action???


Only one person got killed in the 2019-2020 protests involving millions - and that man got killed by a brick thrown by protestors.
Another idiot simply fell off a building.

During the British occupation - 50+ people got killed in the 1969 demonstrations.

 

[Chuz Life]

So what do the HK people know or think about China's "passiveness" in regards to MILITARY action???


Only one person got killed in the 2019-2020 protests involving millions - and that man got killed by a brick thrown by protestors.
Another idiot simply fell off a building.

During the British occupation - 50+ people got killed in the 1969 demonstrations.

Convince me that the people of Hong Kong who lived there prior to China's taking it back agree with you about how passive China is.

 

[Kruska]

I did not say anything about the patriot system. And it wasn't even on my mind.

Sure, everyone wants Patriot2....
Doesn't mean they get it.

And why would Trump lie?
Lame Duck president, and unless it's a matter of national security he really does not care. Ascribing caring to Trump about his reputation is a bridge too far. Not in his repertoire. He has been used to having "F.U. Money" and really doesn't care on a regular basis. Why would he start now?
It's not like Democrats are gonna like him.....ever.

My - mistake, I thought you were referring to the Zelinsky link.

 

[Kruska]

Convince me that the people of Hong Kong who lived there prior to China's taking it back agree with you about how passive China is.

Why you bring in HK people? they and ALL Chinese citizens are fully aware that China has not attacked anyone militarily since 1980.

Any reason why you ignore the fact that the British killed 50+ protestors in 1969 ??? British passiveness ???

 

[Chuz Life]

Why you bring in HK people? they and ALL Chinese citizens are fully aware that China has not attacked anyone militarily since 1980.

That explains the protests.

 

[kyzr]

I believe our effectiveness at bringing down swarms of hundreds of drones is much better with missiles than WWII anti-aircraft guns. The reason being missiles can accurately take out drones over 10 miles out. Those that get through can be taken out by short range missiles that are more accurate. 99% of drones are being taken out by missiles. I doubt you could get anything close to that using old anti-aircraft guns.

Ok, but if you look at the cost of those missiles its too expensive to knock down a swarm of hundreds of drones.

I saw high-power microwave (HPM) knock down a swarm of drones. Missiles, lasers. and jamming are also somewhat effective, but in a large battle-space you can't protect everything perfectly, so you need some effective means for everything.

High-power microwave ‘force field’ knocks drone swarms from sky - Breaking Defense

Working like an EMP weapon, microwaves change the counter-UAS mission from one-to-one to one-to-many.

breakingdefense.com

 

[Kruska]

That explains the protests.

You are obviously a dolt - only post irrelevant stuff and avoid answers.

 

[Chuz Life]

For our naval vessels, I think we need a multi-layer approach. That way, if one line of defense is evaded, the next might succeed.

So, I think a combination of jamming, lasers, shot gunning (massive scale airbursts), defensive drones, and as someone said earlier, hit the factories/ warehouses/ sources.

 

[Chuz Life]

You are obviously a dolt - only post irrelevant stuff and avoid answers.

Your personal attacks confirm that my point landed well.

Thanks.