What's the best defense against Iran's drones?

Missiles don't cost $20,000,000: AIM-120 ($1-$2 Million each), Patriot about $4 million), Iron Dome $40-$50 thousand).
Cost of the "drones" varies wildly depending on complexity, range, etc.
But you are correct, there is usually a cost disparity between cheap drones and the weapons used to kill them.
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Yes but remember that AA guns have
(a) a very limited range (effective out to 1.5 miles and maximum 4-5 miles).
(b) shoot very fast, meaning ammo depletes quickly and it takes time to reload.
(c) are used on the final point defense in a layered defense not as a one size fits all.

So when you look at an "effective range" problem you have to consider (a) is the unit defending self OR (b) is the unit defending others. If defending self the missile will be flying toward the area the unit is protecting and INTO the engagement envelope. However if the missile is flying over head or at range while traveling to another target, the "target" will likely be OUTSIDE the engagement envelope. The AA gun will likely not be in effective range for engagement leaving the missile (or drone) intended target vulnerable to the attack.

Meaning the only way (currently) to supply wide ranging defensive coverage to high value targets and civilians is via anti-missile missiles which also function as anti-drone to allow for wide area defense.

The AGR-20 Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS) is a recent development that allows for modification of the unguided 2.75 inch rocket into a guided weapon that can be used for drone kills. It's still short range. However the converted 2.75 inch rocket is carried in a pod of 7 rockets each meaning aircraft can carry 42 rockets instead of just a few expensive traditional air-to-air missiles at millions each. The Unit Cost of an AGR-20 is about $22,000. WW
1. The missile that hit our guys in Kuwait should have been taken out with THAAD, or Patriot, someone missed. Iran's targeting is by coordinates, so we should have relocated our high value stationary targets, like command centers.

2. If the AGR-20 can also be truck mounted to kill drones as they approach cities or airports, that might be useful.

3. AA guns are just another "layer" of drone defense. Such as for cities on roof tops.
Seeing Dubai's skyscrapers burning is not a good look. They have money for anything that works.

4. Looks like the Arab states did not think Iran would target their cities. So now its time to get air defenses upgraded. Assuming the war will drag on a while.
 
That guy predicted Trump would win, and he predicted that the US and Isreal would attack Iran.


. . . he also believes that Iran will do something to draw in American ground troops.



IMO, sinking a carrier would do the trick there.


. . . if you study it long enough, the possibility of destroying America's hegemony and causing a civil war here is the worst case outcome.
That has been china's goal all along.

How many Chinese military did obribem allow in? 20,000? 100,000? No one knows how many are scattered across the country waiting for orders.
 
That has been china's goal all along.
How many Chinese military did obribem allow in? 20,000? 100,000? No one knows how many are scattered across the country waiting for orders.
Biden' open borders let in 166,000 Chinese, 125,000 Russians, 400,000 convicted criminals, and hundreds of terrorists including ISIS.
The scarier factoid is that Homan knows that many wealthy (state sponsored?) illegals paid massive premiums to avoid CBP and ICE. Technically called "got-aways", and are theoretically the most dangerous people Biden's biggest national security disaster in history let in.
 
I don't see Iran sinking a US carrier with drones.



Most military planners don't either. . . which is precisely the problem IMO.
 
Most military planners don't either. . . which is precisely the problem IMO.
The red team used cruise missiles and suicide boats, in the 2002 war game to sink a carrier and cruisers. I hope our ship defenses are better than that now.

Admiral Cooper is apparently the brains behind the US war plan. I hope he is as good as advertised.

As I understand it, the US and Israel decided to take on Iran before they developed and mass produced so many missiles and drones as to be dominant and untouchable in the region, and free to develop nukes.

NFW we invade Iran. We shouldn't have to if we control their oil revenue.
 
I wonder if China has taken notice of how poorly North Korean troops are faring in Ukraine and then doing some math about how if a tiny Country like Ukraine can decimate those imported fighters. . . imagine what the U.S. would do to them.
 

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The administration claims that the goal is not, ostensibly, regime change. But when no regime change happens, will they put boots on the ground, or can Trump admit defeat like he did via the Houthis?

With Israel and the Israel lobby having so much sway over the administration, it doesn't seem likely. But getting America to commit ground troops is an altogether different kettle of fish than just telling it that Israel is going to attack with or without them, and the collateral damage will happen either way, so they might as well get on board.
 
Ukraine has some anti-drone drones....

These little hand held sized drones fly very fast, intercept, and blow up.

They seem to be somewhat effective.

Nothing but a flying mortar shell with a proximity fuse. (Like AA bullets used to be when causing flak) these drones have four propellers used for steering and the wings attached to the propellers act as wings.

They ought to be fairly cost effective.

These obviously will not stop a missile or mortar round....but a drone? Not bad.
Drones usually have very lightweight bodies made of fiberglass or carbon fiber. Very easy to destroy.
 

*** Prof. John Mearsheimer : Is Trump’s War Beyond Control?​

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The administration claims that the goal is not, ostensibly, regime change. But when no regime change happens, will they put boots on the ground, or can Trump admit defeat like he did via the Houthis?
Trump did not admit defeat. There was a ceasefire.
With Israel and the Israel lobby having so much sway over the administration, it doesn't seem likely. But getting America to commit ground troops is an altogether different kettle of fish than just telling it that Israel is going to attack with or without them, and the collateral damage will happen either way, so they might as well get on board.
NFW we invade Iran. No need to.
Just take the oil the enriched uranium, and dole out the oil revenue and Iran will be defanged. Call it a win.
 
The drones that the IRGC are using are not remote guided....they are self guided like a cruise missile.

Low flying, and using waypoints to guide themselves to attack from various directions.

The amount of explosives they carry is low....especially for long range drones.

Netting works....but looks atrocious.

What helps locate them is down looking radar. IOW a type of drone AWAC that just does radar from on high looking down.

Then....we can send an anti-drone after it.
A "kid in a cubicle" to monitor all of it. Give him some hot pockets and red bulls....he'll be good for days.
 
Trump did not admit defeat. There was a ceasefire.

NFW we invade Iran. No need to.
Just take the oil the enriched uranium, and dole out the oil revenue and Iran will be defanged. Call it a win.

So wait Trump defeated the Houthis and Djibouti is open and you can get insurance on ships headed there? Are you sure?
 
I wonder if China has taken notice of how poorly North Korean troops are faring in Ukraine and then doing some math about how if a tiny Country like Ukraine can decimate those imported fighters. . . imagine what the U.S. would do to them.
IMO - it's nonsense to compare the Ukrainian military (training, NATO standard, and billions of $$ military help) with some N-Korean infantrymen who are designed to operate as support for combat/patrol troops - to coordinate Russian artillery strikes.
 
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IMO - it's nonsense to compare the Ukrainian military (training, NATO standard, and billions of $$ military help) with some N-Korean infantrymen who are designed to operate as support for combat/patrol troops - to coordinate Russian artillery strikes.
Did you intentionally miss the point about "I hope China is taking notice?"
 
Did you intentionally miss the point about "I hope China is taking notice?"
There is NOTHING for China to "notice" in regards to N-Korea or Ukraine - you think the Chinese leadership and it's military are dumb and ignorant?

The only thing they are "analyzing" at present, is as to how immensely deep - Mossad & CIA penetration throughout Iran and it's institutions are going and if it can be disrupted/destroyed.
 
There is NOTHING for China to "notice" in regards to N-Korea or Ukraine - you think the Chinese leadership and it's military are dumb and ignorant?

The only thing they are "analyzing" at present, is as to how immensely deep - Mossad & CIA penetration throughout Iran and it's institutions are going and if it can be disrupted/destroyed.
I HOPE that China. . . .

Is as ignorant about how even the Ukrainians are eliminating their foreign adversaries as others who ignore the significance are being.
 
I HOPE that China. . . .

Is as ignorant about how even the Ukrainians are eliminating their foreign adversaries as others who ignore the significance are being.
Take away Russia's nukes - and they are almost on the same security & military level as Iran - is that the point you are trying to make? in that case your HOPE goes bust. - sorry.
 
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