What would it take to secure the Strait?

Exactly - you hit the nail on the head - especially in regards to those posters bragging or claiming to have served - maybe handing out pointy forks and sharp knifes in the mess hall, or filling laundry machines.
People can claim anything on the Internet. IMHO, it's better to observe if they "walk the walk".

It's one thing to claim to be a Christian, but it's another to support genocide of Iranians.

Like their Orange Jesus, MAGAts say a lot but do little.
 
The straight was secure before Bibi conned Drumph into bombing things



Not going to happen. Iran will always have the ways and means to attack tankers in the Straights. They always did.



No, we don't have the military training or resources for such a war. Think of Vietnam where you are not fighting a military but an ideal.
All you Iranian sympathizers need to stop using American platforms to spread propaganda in hopes to undermine American resolve when it comes to America's enemies.

In fact I hope you are under surveillance by the CIA as we speak. If not you damned sure should be.
 
Haven't forgotten about the reminder :wink:



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The straight was secure before Bibi conned Drumph into bombing things



Not going to happen. Iran will always have the ways and means to attack tankers in the Straights. They always did.



No, we don't have the military training or resources for such a war. Think of Vietnam where you are not fighting a military but an ideal.
We weren’t fighting an ideal in Vietnam, we were fighting a tyrannical government that was willing to feed all of its population into a meat grinder to conquer South Vietnam.
 
All you Iranian sympathizers need to stop using American platforms to spread propaganda in hopes to undermine American resolve when it comes to America's enemies.

In fact I hope you are under surveillance by the CIA as we speak. If not you damned sure should be.
Go seek help - a psychologist might be just all you need.
 
We weren’t fighting an ideal in Vietnam, we were fighting a tyrannical government that was willing to feed all of its population into a meat grinder to conquer South Vietnam.
They (the Americans) were fighting the Vietnamese ideal of getting out the foreigners who interfered for a 100 years with their ideal of a unified Vietnam. Whilst the Americans mistook that ideal for communism.
 
All you Iranian sympathizers need to stop using American platforms to spread propaganda in hopes to undermine American resolve when it comes to America's enemies.

In fact I hope you are under surveillance by the CIA as we speak. If not you damned sure should be.

Why, because I disagree (as a retired Military SEA Veteran)? Let's use Ukraine as an example. Invading someone's home means that the citizens are highly motivated to kick the invader out. Iran can (and does) have the capability to raise a 1 million man military. They are artists when doing the type of battle we would be faced with. About the time your "Leader" states their military is completely defeated, they seem to be able to take out millions (if not hundreds of millions) right after that is announced. They demand to be treated as a Nation. And have already stated that they will only go back to the table when Rump and his cronies are no longer in power. What they are demanding is to be treated as a soveriegn nation. Yes, we have the ability to bomb them daily but it takes boots on the ground to completely defeat an enemy.

I would suggest that all you boot licker MAGAts enlist in the US Military in the Army or the Marines and then volunteer to invade Iran. The problem there is, once you get the proper training you will damn sure change your tune.
 
We weren’t fighting an ideal in Vietnam, we were fighting a tyrannical government that was willing to feed all of its population into a meat grinder to conquer South Vietnam.

;Guess what. when you invade a country then you have to accept the fact that it's going to be a meat grinder. Ask almost any Russian Troop that is sitting in Ukraine right now.
 
Why, because I disagree (as a retired Military SEA Veteran)? Let's use Ukraine as an example. Invading someone's home means that the citizens are highly motivated to kick the invader out. Iran can (and does) have the capability to raise a 1 million man military. They are artists when doing the type of battle we would be faced with. About the time your "Leader" states their military is completely defeated, they seem to be able to take out millions (if not hundreds of millions) right after that is announced. They demand to be treated as a Nation. And have already stated that they will only go back to the table when Rump and his cronies are no longer in power. What they are demanding is to be treated as a soveriegn nation. Yes, we have the ability to bomb them daily but it takes boots on the ground to completely defeat an enemy.

I would suggest that all you boot licker MAGAts enlist in the US Military in the Army or the Marines and then volunteer to invade Iran. The problem there is, once you get the proper training you will damn sure change your tune.
Again, with yet another Iranian sympathizer here... Wow, and not only that but an open traitor to this country by undermining it bad because of Trump ????? It would be the only way you could actually say that Iran is just going to wait Trump out until he's gone. How do you say these kinds of thing's lefty ??

Question now is are the Democrats planning Trump's departure yet again ? What's it going to look like this time ? Maybe a slip on a banana peel the Dims just happen to drop in front of him ?? Do tell Mr.Crystal ball reader.
 
;Guess what. when you invade a country then you have to accept the fact that it's going to be a meat grinder. Ask almost any Russian Troop that is sitting in Ukraine right now.
Country of Iran wasn't invaded, but you knew that, so what is it with you ??? Are you an enemy operating freely inside of this country ?
 
Country of Iran wasn't invaded, but you knew that, so what is it with you ??? Are you an enemy operating freely inside of this country ?

Yes it was and still is. But until the US Military puts boots on the ground, nothing can be held and they will continue to nickel and dime(millions). Tell me, cupcake, just how many years have you spent in a real shooting war? I have at least one decade. And I have been shot at. Heroes like you always tells us how brave you are. But when the whine of the bullets and the 10 to 20 foot holes are all around me, I will be scared. You ready to discuss an enemy committing ground troops in my home? Let me start out by asking you which cartridge you would prefer in that situation. Will you choose the 556, the 7.62 or the Ought Six? All the others won't have the amount of ammo required to make much of a difference for very long.
 
Yes it was and still is. But until the US Military puts boots on the ground, nothing can be held and they will continue to nickel and dime(millions). Tell me, cupcake, just how many years have you spent in a real shooting war? I have at least one decade. And I have been shot at. Heroes like you always tells us how brave you are. But when the whine of the bullets and the 10 to 20 foot holes are all around me, I will be scared. You ready to discuss an enemy committing ground troops in my home? Let me start out by asking you which cartridge you would prefer in that situation. Will you choose the 556, the 7.62 or the Ought Six? All the others won't have the amount of ammo required to make much of a difference for very long.
Why are you impatient, and why are you wanting Trump to make mistakes ? Wait, I'm sorry you don't have to answer, because I think we might know.

Trump has said that Iran is losing Millions per day, and no trade is going in or out, so does that bother you or something ??

Who are you pulling for in the situation ??
 
We weren’t fighting an ideal in Vietnam, we were fighting a tyrannical government that was willing to feed all of its population into a meat grinder to conquer South Vietnam.
In Vietnam you were fighting people who were hell bent on finishing the job of National liberation from Colonialism and Imperialism, and they did just that, get over it and try and learn something.
 
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You win nothing except credibility which you lack now.
How much is your credibility worth? If you crap in one hand and hold your USMB credibility in the other, which weighs more? Which is more valuable?

IMO, at least the crap can be used as fertilizer.....something our nation's farmers are paying more for due to Trump's Operation Epstein Distraction and his failure to open the Strait of Hormuz.
 
In Vietnam you were fighting people who were hell bent on finishing the job of National liberation from Colonialism and Imperialism, and they did just that, get over it and try and learn something.
After WW2, the Korean war, along with the Vietnam war, we experienced push back and some very embarrassing losses in those two wars. We have been very cautious of going all in ever since.

The Vietnam War was interesting, because we still were hurting after the defeat at the Chosin reservoir not long before Vietnam in Korea.

A little history
  • Overconfidence: General MacArthur was convinced that China would not enter the war. He famously told President Truman that the war would be over by Christmas and that American troops would be home soon. [1, 2, 3]
  • Ignoring the Warnings: China actually sent clear warnings through diplomats that they would attack if American forces crossed into North Korea. MacArthur dismissed these threats as bluffs. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Divided Forces: MacArthur ordered his armies to advance toward the Chinese border in separate columns that were far apart. This left huge gaps between the troops, making it very easy for the Chinese military to surround them on the mountain roads. [1, 2]

Why Intelligence Officers Were Blamed
  • Bad Reports: MacArthur’s chief intelligence officer, General Charles Willoughby, consistently underestimated how many Chinese troops had crossed the border. [1]
  • Blind Spots: Intelligence reports claimed there were only a few thousand Chinese volunteers in Korea, when in reality, over 300,000 Chinese soldiers had already secretly crossed the river. [1, 2, 3]

Why Leaders in Washington Were Blamed
  • Failure to Stop MacArthur: President Truman and the Joint Chiefs of Staff were worried about China entering the war. However, because MacArthur was a legendary hero from World War II, they were too timid to overrule his choices or order him to stop his advance. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Trump is doing the right thing by proceeding with caution in the situation, and this is being based on the historic record concerning past blunders.

No need to rush into anything at this point, otherwise only to regret it when we do if we are past a critical point and time when we should have surged forward knocking and keeping the enemy off it's feet until the win.

I do think myself that a timeline is working more against Iran than for all nations in the theater because of these more modern methods and times of warfare we use today.

I'm in favor of going in quick, achieving the goals, and getting out quick after the win. Never a fan of hanging around to long if the war goals can't be achieved quickly. Not a fan of cease fires because they usually don't work, and if the diplomacy fails it gives time for the enemy to regroup and re-arm (disaster).

Lightening war is the best approach to any war if the enemy has proven itself to be an evil run regime not to be taken lightly. Overwhelming the numbers or strategies against the opposing forces, and their not being able to respond in meaningful ways is the only recipe for the win.

We must learn from history and the studying of war's, and the personalities involved in it all or we are setting ourselves up for disaster once again.

My wonder is if the political climate here at home during the MacArthur/Truman dispute, had led to the disaster and to the undermining of one of the greatest generals of WW2 ? It seems that we have a disastrous political climate in America, and it has been undermining our military and generals since the win of WW2.

This leads me to Joseph McCarthy who was a Republican U.S. Senator from Wisconsin that led a massive, aggressive campaign to find and remove suspected communists from the American government and military during the early 1950s. His actions fed into a period of intense public paranoia known as the "Red Scare". His name became so famous that this era of political witch hunts is still called McCarthyism

So was Joseph McCarthy right in hindsight of it all now ? It appears that he was right, and some of it is evident on this board daily.
 
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After WW2, the Korean war, along with the Vietnam war, we experienced push back and some very embarrassing losses in those two wars. We have been very cautious of going all in ever since.

The Vietnam War was interesting, because we still were hurting after the defeat at the Chosin reservoir not long before Vietnam in Korea.

A little history
  • Overconfidence: General MacArthur was convinced that China would not enter the war. He famously told President Truman that the war would be over by Christmas and that American troops would be home soon. [1, 2, 3]
  • Ignoring the Warnings: China actually sent clear warnings through diplomats that they would attack if American forces crossed into North Korea. MacArthur dismissed these threats as bluffs. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Divided Forces: MacArthur ordered his armies to advance toward the Chinese border in separate columns that were far apart. This left huge gaps between the troops, making it very easy for the Chinese military to surround them on the mountain roads. [1, 2]

Why Intelligence Officers Were Blamed
  • Bad Reports: MacArthur’s chief intelligence officer, General Charles Willoughby, consistently underestimated how many Chinese troops had crossed the border. [1]
  • Blind Spots: Intelligence reports claimed there were only a few thousand Chinese volunteers in Korea, when in reality, over 300,000 Chinese soldiers had already secretly crossed the river. [1, 2, 3]

Why Leaders in Washington Were Blamed
  • Failure to Stop MacArthur: President Truman and the Joint Chiefs of Staff were worried about China entering the war. However, because MacArthur was a legendary hero from World War II, they were too timid to overrule his choices or order him to stop his advance. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Trump is doing the right thing by proceeding with caution in the situation, and this is being based on the historic record concerning past blunders.

No need to rush into anything at this point, otherwise only to regret it when we do if we are past a critical point and time when we should have surged forward knocking and keeping the enemy off it's feet until the win.

I do think myself that a timeline is working more against Iran than for all nations in the theater because of these more modern methods and times of warfare we use today.

I'm in favor of going in quick, achieving the goals, and getting out quick after the win. Never a fan of hanging around to long if the war goals can't be achieved quickly. Not a fan of cease fires because they usually don't work, and if the diplomacy fails it gives time for the enemy to regroup and re-arm (disaster).

Lightening war is the best approach to any war if the enemy has proven itself to be an evil run regime not to be taken lightly. Overwhelming the numbers or strategies against the opposing forces, and their not being able to respond in meaningful ways is the only recipe for the win.

We must learn from history and the studying of war's, and the personalities involved in it all or we are setting ourselves up for disaster once again.

My wonder is if the political climate here at home during the MacArthur/Truman dispute, had led to the disaster and to the undermining of one of the greatest generals of WW2 ? It seems that we have a disastrous political climate in America, and it has been undermining our military and generals since the win of WW2.

This leads me to Joseph McCarthy who was a Republican U.S. Senator from Wisconsin that led a massive, aggressive campaign to find and remove suspected communists from the American government and military during the early 1950s. His actions fed into a period of intense public paranoia known as the "Red Scare". His name became so famous that this era of political witch hunts is still called McCarthyism

So was Joseph McCarthy right in hindsight of it all now ? It appears that he was right, and some of it is evident on this board daily.
A lot of interesting information there, but the bottom line is the US shouldn't be attacking Iran at all, it's a war of choice for Trump for the Iranians it's a war of survival, if America was attacked i am sure most Americans would look at it that way, the fact is the US is at war with the World and has been to some extent since WW2.
 
A lot of interesting information there, but the bottom line is the US shouldn't be attacking Iran at all, it's a war of choice for Trump for the Iranians it's a war of survival, if America was attacked i am sure most Americans would look at it that way, the fact is the US is at war with the World and has been to some extent since WW2.
You ignoring the history of events that has led us to the doorstep of Iran is telling. It appears that either you are a leftist, a foreign agent, a propagandists, or an anti-American. Take your pick.
 
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