What would it take to secure the Strait?

[Deadstick]

Well - he did invade, not for the fun of it but because NATO kept tightening the noose.
All NATO had to do was to reject Ukraine's bid for NATO membership - NEUTRALITY and offer a solid military assistance treaty - if Putin decided to invade - attack Ukraine.

On the other hand, if NATO was so convinced/concerned about Ukraine - why didn't they go all in and put an end to Putin's supposed expansionist plans within month? instead they made Ukraine pay the blood-price for four years and now keep propagating about Putin planing to attack NATO. Silly twats.

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You wouldn't believe the level of bullshit and hysteria here at the moment about Russia,apparently they are going to invade this weekend, even if somehow they got here they wouldn't get far with the state of our roads.

 

[Kruska]

You wouldn't believe the level of bullshit and hysteria here at the moment about Russia,apparently they are going to invade this weekend, even if somehow they got here they wouldn't get far with the state of our roads.

Yeah, no business like show b..... ah... arms business. The German chief idiot actually believes that he can rescue Germany's failed economic policies, by spending US$ 550 Billion on the arms industry. and guess what - no one want's to join the Bundeswehr.

 

[Deadstick]

Yeah, no business like show b..... ah... arms business

What i find frightening is how stupid the herd can be, this crap has been going on for years now and they swallow it, now i understand how Goebbelism still works, it's much worse than when the cold war was going on.

 

[Kruska]

What i find frightening is how stupid the herd can be, this crap has been going on for years now and they swallow it, now i understand how Goebbelism still works.

If you are in Germany - you will find-out that not even 20% fall for this crap. But since when did politics in a fake democracy ever care about what people really feel or what they want?

Now the government is telling the German people that this kind of military rearmament makes European suspicious about "German ambitions" when the AfD takes power, - whilst everyone knows that the AfD stands for cooperation with Russia and China and voted against the military spending's.

 

[beagle9]

Putin wont use nukes if he does hes dead and Russia is gone. Peace only exists after one side is defeated. That looks more and more like Russia now

So you think that Putin will just sit back and let his ship/nation get shot out from under his ace, otherwise by Ukraine while he's sitting on a nuclear arsenal that just one of the small one's would stop Zelensky in his tracks ?

Do you think Putin is going to allow Ukraine to win ? At some point Russia will finally demand Putin either get out of Ukraine or finish Zelensky's government once and for all. Do you think the world is ready for WW3 if Putin finalized a plan to stop Zelensky in Ukraine ?

Interesting, so tell us how Russia is going to let Zelensky weaken Russia to the point of it's implosion, and all the while it sits upon it's nuclear arsenal ?

Maybe I'm a dumb ace, but I'm just curious as to at what point does Putin say enough is enough, and goes for the final solution to his Ukranian problem ?

Now I'm no fan of anyone in that theater because I don't know either of them well enough to know, but I do know who has the ultimate weapons to instantly end that war on it's own terms, and it's not Ukraine.

 

[Kruska]

Maybe I'm a dumb ace, but I'm just curious as to at what point does Putin say enough is enough, and goes for the final solution to his Ukranian problem ?

That's because you have no understanding towards the mutual international acceptance of NUCLEAR DETERRENCE.

 

[beagle9]

That's because you have no understanding towards the mutual international acceptance of NUCLEAR DETERRENCE.

I thought he changed the nuclear doctrine in his country recently, otherwise to make it more easy to use his arsenal for necessary purposes ?

 

[beagle9]

Ukraine isn't covered under Nato, and that leaves Ukraine in a very dangerous spot if Russia decides to finish the job it started in Ukraine by any means necessary. As I stated before, it's highly doubtful if Ukraine will survive the perceived win it wants over Russia. The only way Ukraine survives is by negotiating peace with Russia, but in no way does it beat Russia while it sits upon it's nuclear arsenal. Wouldn't we look at it the same way if we in the USA were in a war with our neighbor, and that neighbor was giving it to us so bad that we could possibly fall in the situation ??? Is Russia any different ?
I'm actually worried about Ukraine taking it to far or thinking that it can defeat the Russian nation with conventional weapons and technology, and then Moscow reacting in the same way as any strong nation would if were in a serious war and was losing the war.

Becareful Ukraine, becareful. You've suffered enough in the situation.

 

[Kruska]

I thought he changed the nuclear doctrine in his country recently, otherwise to make it more easy to use his arsenal for necessary purposes ?

Putin or anyone can "define" his national nuclear strategy as they want - it doesn't change the fact, that once the mutual and international accepted policy of nuclear deterrence is broken or invalidated - all hell will break loose globally. So there is absolutely no gain for Russia/Putin. Since also no one will deal or do business with such a country incl. China. As such it would be an economic suicide for Russia if not in the worst case an all out war against Russia.

Russia IMO would only use nuclear weapons if Crimea faces the imminent danger of being overrun by Ukraine. And NATO is very well aware about this. So they will make sure that Crimea stay's Russian occupied. Right now NATO's strategy is only based on out-living Putin and wearing out Russia's economy and military, in regards to hindering occupying further Ukrainian territory.

If this NATO "strategy" doesn't work out (depending on how much $$ they are willing to spend) - Ukraine will have to cede eventually occupied territory to Russia.

 

[beagle9]

Putin or anyone can "define" his national nuclear strategy as they want - it doesn't change the fact, that once the mutual and international accepted policy of nuclear deterrence is broken or invalidated - all hell will break loose globally. So there is absolutely no gain for Russia/Putin. Since also no one will deal or do business with such a country incl. China. As such it would be an economic suicide for Russia if not in the worst case an all out war against Russia.

Russia IMO would only use nuclear weapons if Crimea faces the imminent danger of being overrun by Ukraine. And NATO is very well aware about this. So they will make sure that Crimea stay's Russian occupied. Right now NATO's strategy is only based on out-living Putin and wearing out Russia's economy and military, in regards to hindering occupying further Ukrainian territory.

If this NATO "strategy" doesn't work out (depending on how much $$ they are willing to spend) - Ukraine will have to cede eventually occupied territory to Russia.

We are talking about an emergency for Russia, and you think that it will worry about the thing's you say as it goes down in flames ?

 

[Kruska]

We are talking about an emergency for Russia, and you think that it will worry about the thing's you say as it goes down in flames ?

As long as Ukraine doesn't get control of Crimea - where is the "emergency"?

That Russia's infrastructure/economy gets hit real hard by Ukraine's drones - well he should have thought about that possibility before attacking Ukraine. And there are enough conventional means to deter this. If Putin and the Russian army aren't able to come up with that, so should seriously consider to abort his failed conquest, since nukes are definitely not a viable solution.

 

[beagle9]

As long as Ukraine doesn't get control of Crimea - where is the "emergency"?

That Russia's infrastructure/economy gets hit real hard by Ukraine's drones - well he should have thought about that possibility before attacking Ukraine. And there are enough conventional means to deter this. If Putin and the Russian army aren't able to come up with that, so should seriously consider to abort his failed conquest, since nukes are definitely not a viable solution.

Trying to read the mindset of the Russians and their situation is admirable, but according to all report's they are losing huge, so it will be interesting to see how far Russia is willing to take it against it's adversary.

 

[Thinker101]

What would it take to secure the Strait of Hormuz? I'm talking about how to make Iran militarily incapable of threatening ships going through that passage. Do we need to secure all of Iran's coastline and destroy all of its ships? How far inland would we have to go to prevent aerial attacks? Do we have the military capability to do these things?

Easy....Donald J Trump

 

[Kruska]

Trying to read the mindset of the Russians and their situation is admirable, but according to all report's they are losing huge, so it will be interesting to see how far Russia is willing to take it against it's adversary.

Well - I believe that Russia's military doctrine regarding field tactics isn't different from any other Western military. And they are very well aware that they simply don't have the industrial capacity and machinery know-how to compete with NATO's military hardware.

Therefore they decided to keep to their attrition tactics (the only tactic they obviously have) - hoping that Ukraine and NATO are not willing to spend 5 times as many $ - and a lacking motivation on behalf of Ukraine's men&women willing to go into the meat-grinder. A diplomatic push of Russia and demonstrating viable economic benefits to Europe - I for my part don't see any of this.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Well - he did invade, not for the fun of it but because NATO kept tightening the noose.
All NATO had to do was to reject Ukraine's bid for NATO membership - NEUTRALITY and offer a solid military assistance treaty - if Putin decided to invade - attack Ukraine.

On the other hand, if NATO was so convinced/concerned about Ukraine - why didn't they go all in and put an end to Putin's supposed expansionist plans within month? instead they made Ukraine pay the blood-price for four years and now keep propagating about Putin planing to attack NATO. Silly twats.

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NATO had no responsibility to exclude potential members fleeing Russian aggression. Russia invaded Georgia once annexing South Ossetia, it invaded Afghanistan, it invaded Ukraine twice, once annexing Criemea then trying to annex the rest of Ukraine. Russia is a paranoid, expansionist power that threatens ALL of its neighbors and wonders why they join a defensive alliance for protection.

 

[AZrailwhale]

So you think that Putin will just sit back and let his ship/nation get shot out from under his ace, otherwise by Ukraine while he's sitting on a nuclear arsenal that just one of the small one's would stop Zelensky in his tracks ?

Do you think Putin is going to allow Ukraine to win ? At some point Russia will finally demand Putin either get out of Ukraine or finish Zelensky's government once and for all. Do you think the world is ready for WW3 if Putin finalized a plan to stop Zelensky in Ukraine ?

Interesting, so tell us how Russia is going to let Zelensky weaken Russia to the point of it's implosion, and all the while it sits upon it's nuclear arsenal ?

Maybe I'm a dumb ace, but I'm just curious as to at what point does Putin say enough is enough, and goes for the final solution to his Ukranian problem ?

Now I'm no fan of anyone in that theater because I don't know either of them well enough to know, but I do know who has the ultimate weapons to instantly end that war on it's own terms, and it's not Ukraine.

Putin will never be allowed to use nukes. Hs generals know that using nukes against ANY country would result in the destruction of Russia. It's unlikely that any of the Russian nukes would even function after more than two decades of neglect by corrupt officers who sell everything they can get their hands on on the black market.

 

[beagle9]

Easy....Donald J Trump

Strategically striking their ballistic missile pens under the mountains with the GBU-72 is a game changer due to the chain reaction destruction it causes for those facilities... Now Iran is learning what the Germans found out when their mighty battleship Turpitz was hunted and found in the fjord where Germany thought it was hidden from action. You can't hide from 2000 pound bombs with zero Air protection. Iran is mentally sick, and dealing with that stubborn sickness is an amazing thing.

 

[Kruska]

NATO had no responsibility to exclude potential members fleeing Russian aggression.

Yes - but they knew what was coming if they pursued their endless NATO expansion.

Russia invaded Georgia once annexing South Ossetia,

70% of the population are Ossetians and they decided to rather accept RF passports then Georgian passports. So?

it invaded Afghanistan,

The RF never invaded Afghanistan. However NATO invaded Afghanistan for 24 years.

It invaded Ukraine twice, once annexing Criemea

Yes - the RF undertook a coup, after Ukraine had been taken by a coup. Thus the RF took over Crimea in 24h. Fact is that Crimea was Czarist Russian and later given as a present from the Soviet-union to the Soviet Republic of Ukraine. And Putin decided the RF wanted that "present", given in Soviet times, back.
BTW - Ukraine never held a referendum in Crimea, but rejected the RF's referendum.

then trying to annex the rest of Ukraine.

After, partially Nazi-fascist brigades and the Ukrainian army attacked Russian separatists - the RF aided them, and upon Ukraine intensifying the civil-war, the RF decided to deploy own troops - So?
BTW - Ukraine never held a referendum for Oblast Luhank and neither for Oblast Donezk - but rejected the RF's referendum.

Russia is a paranoid, expansionist power that threatens ALL of its neighbors and wonders why they join a defensive alliance for protection.

That only shows that you gobbled up, solely all the Western propaganda.
Just look at the sheer size of that country - and place that RF "expansionism" into a proportionate value. It's not even 0.1% of the RF. Therefore it's IMO ridiculous to come up with RF expansionism.

What the RF made also absolutely clear - it will not tolerate a NATO state in it's immediate neighborhood and border. And e.g. Venezuela isn't anywhere near to the neighborhood or bordering the USA, neither is Panama or Greenland.

 

[beagle9]

Putin will never be allowed to use nukes. Hs generals know that using nukes against ANY country would result in the destruction of Russia. It's unlikely that any of the Russian nukes would even function after more than two decades of neglect by corrupt officers who sell everything they can get their hands on on the black market.

Ukraine isn't just any country (borders Russia), and Russia probably wouldn't be looking to attack any other country (especially a NATO country), except for this Ukraine that it's beef is with.

Russia would probably resort to it's final solution before Ukraine surprisingly wins a war against it.

Everyone sure has a know it all attitude on what Russia is scared of, and how it would react because of the supposed fear that other nation's are applying to Russia in the situation. Most of the reports are in according to media that claims daily that Russia is in a fight for it's life now against Ukraine. Will be interesting to see how it all goes, but I'm hoping for peace in the situation, and not more war.

 

[Vrenn]

So if Putin decides to protect Russian separatists - it's not okay with you.
If Ukraine or Georgia decides to ignore and even use military force against Russian separatists - it's okay with you.

Care to explain?

The USA already went through that over 150 years ago. If you can't understand that then you must be one really dumb Putin Follower and there is no way I can use facts and history to convince you otherwise.