Zone1 What rituals are necessary for salvation?

[BreezeWood]

Actually it's incredibly difficult.

then it is not heavenly -

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[ninja007]

i mustve missed the verses that mentioned anything about rituals and salvation. Please point me to them. In the meantime Ill leave you with John 3:16.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit

 

[ding]

then it is not heavenly -

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Technically everything is heavenly.

 

[SaxonJackson]

According to your church or denomination.

No rituals are required.

The thief who was hanged on a cross near Christ was awarded salvation simply based on his faith and belief in Jesus Christ. Rituals are manmade ceremonies to make people "feel" good but they don't change the man.

 

[SweetSue92]

Its not a strawman. Jesus supposedly said, "eat my flesh.'
I understand its spiritual "sustenance" but its still weird. He could have come up with something else besides cannibalism.
Learn the definition of a "strawman" dingus. Or read your bible. One or the other.

Imagine that you think you have 80 years, give or take, on this rock with nothing after.....and you spend hours and hours and hours of it tearing down a belief that's not even yours.

Could never be me, but you do you

 

[Meriweather]

No rituals are required.

The thief who was hanged on a cross near Christ was awarded salvation simply based on his faith and belief in Jesus Christ. Rituals are manmade ceremonies to make people "feel" good but they don't change the man.

I disagree. Think of all the non-religious rituals society follows. We celebrate birthdays, anniversaries, have barbecues, vacations, make beds, read bedtime stories, play the same games, share meals. What these all have in common are points of connections with one another.

The Passover celebration, and the Consecration of the Eucharist at Mass, have a commonality. Both events, when celebrated in the present, take us back to a critical moment in time where we can place ourselves at the actual event as it is happening. These are strong points of connections of who we are, and the way we live.

 

[Woodznutz]

What rituals did the thief on the cross perform to go to Heaven?

He didn't go to heaven; he went to his grave with the promise of being resurrected into the "paradise" of the restored millennial earth in his next conscious moment.

 

[BreezeWood]

Technically everything is heavenly.

clearly, you are a certified - loon ... issued from the heavens.

 

[BreezeWood]

No rituals are required.

The thief who was hanged on a cross near Christ was awarded salvation simply based on his faith and belief in Jesus Christ. Rituals are manmade ceremonies to make people "feel" good but they don't change the man.

never.

 

[SaxonJackson]

I disagree. Think of all the non-religious rituals society follows. We celebrate birthdays, anniversaries, have barbecues, vacations, make beds, read bedtime stories, play the same games, share meals. What these all have in common are points of connections with one another.

The Passover celebration, and the Consecration of the Eucharist at Mass, have a commonality. Both events, when celebrated in the present, take us back to a critical moment in time where we can place ourselves at the actual event as it is happening. These are strong points of connections of who we are, and the way we live.

I didn't say that all rituals are bad. I said that no rituals are required to be saved.

 

[TNHarley]

Imagine that you think you have 80 years, give or take, on this rock with nothing after.....and you spend hours and hours and hours of it tearing down a belief that's not even yours.

Could never be me, but you do you

So you dont argue against democrats? Or islamists?

 

[Meriweather]

I didn't say that all rituals are bad. I said that no rituals are required to be saved.

Growing up, I attended Catholic school and heard stories such as St. Monica's prayers for her son, St. Augustine; of how it was revealed to one wife whose atheist husband committed suicide in the last moment before his death saw the picture of the Sacred Heart of Jesus his wife had hung over their bed, reached out, and was with Christ; the story of how a tear for Christ, at the moment of death, saved another. A favorite parable of mine is the workers in the vineyard--that the ones who were there all day received the same wage as those who only worked those final minutes. As a young child, I wanted to be one of the people who worked all day. First of all, I enjoyed grapes, and second of all I was already in God's vineyard for the entire day, not just the final minutes. A whole day without the worry of having to look for another job, of knowing I would have enough to feed my family at the end of it.

God offers/extends his salvation to all of us at the beginning of our 'day'. The question is when do we wish to accept this salvation and begin celebrating? Do we want to be a part of salvation and its celebrations throughout our lives? Or, do we want it at the last minute, even the last second of this life where grieving family and friends still live?

Rituals are part and parcel of living our physical lives, and we take part in them, and we enjoy them (mostly). Why deprive our spiritual lives of the connections derived from ritual? The more who take part in these rituals, the greater the celebrations for all. And, the greater our connections. Rituals should be be easily dismissed. Recall the parable of those who were first called, but refused the invitation to the King's banquet because they had other responsibilities, the door that was locked against the virgins who were late to celebrating the arrival of the groom.

 

[Meriweather]

So you dont argue against democrats? Or islamists?

Why let oneself be dragged into the slops that thrill some Democrats. Instead, why not set a better example of one's own life? Next, why torment those of other faiths/denominations (or atheists) when there is more value and more joy living one's own faith?

 

[ding]

clearly, you are a certified - loon ... issued from the heavens.

So you don't believe God created everything?

 

[TNHarley]

So you don't believe God created everything?

Like cancer?

 

[Woodznutz]

Growing up, I attended Catholic school and heard stories such as St. Monica's prayers for her son, St. Augustine; of how it was revealed to one wife whose atheist husband committed suicide in the last moment before his death saw the picture of the Sacred Heart of Jesus his wife had hung over their bed, reached out, and was with Christ; the story of how a tear for Christ, at the moment of death, saved another. A favorite parable of mine is the workers in the vineyard--that the ones who were there all day received the same wage as those who only worked those final minutes. As a young child, I wanted to be one of the people who worked all day. First of all, I enjoyed grapes, and second of all I was already in God's vineyard for the entire day, not just the final minutes. A whole day without the worry of having to look for another job, of knowing I would have enough to feed my family at the end of it.

God offers/extends his salvation to all of us at the beginning of our 'day'. The question is when do we wish to accept this salvation and begin celebrating? Do we want to be a part of salvation and its celebrations throughout our lives? Or, do we want it at the last minute, even the last second of this life where grieving family and friends still live?

Rituals are part and parcel of living our physical lives, and we take part in them, and we enjoy them (mostly). Why deprive our spiritual lives of the connections derived from ritual? The more who take part in these rituals, the greater the celebrations for all. And, the greater our connections. Rituals should be be easily dismissed. Recall the parable of those who were first called, but refused the invitation to the King's banquet because they had other responsibilities, the door that was locked against the virgins who were late to celebrating the arrival of the groom.

I would say that daily habits are the framework of our lives rather than rituals. One can begin the day with a sense of order by developing the habit of making their bed.

 

[ding]

Like cancer?

Sure. But if you are going to blame God for the bad, shouldn't you give God credit for the good. I always find it interesting when people can only see the bad in life.

 

[Woodznutz]

Like cancer?

Even cancer operates within God's laws regarding health.

 

[TNHarley]

Sure. But if you are going to blame God for the bad, shouldn't you give God credit for the good. I always find it interesting when people can only see the bad in life.

I wonder why a loving God would create cancer? Does he think love is torment and death?