Iran is winning

[Lockback]

Actually Islam has been doing that for @ 1400 years now.

It's a gutter religion.
Hell, it's not even a religion.

 

[JGalt]

I still say that in the end America can end Iran and Chinas necessary black gold by destroying their power supply and placing a bloackade on oil from leaving Iran.

Within two months Irans government would risk being broke or overthrown by hungry, angry citizens.

I have nothing against Iranians so I hope peace is found under the right conditions. As it were, Iran would not be able to respond to a full blockade and others in the region would not sit silent if constantly attacked.

President Trump has been judicious so far, about destroying their power plants. As severe as that seems, it might take that to topple Iran's government.

 

[shockedcanadian]

President Trump has been judicious so far, about destroying their power plants. As severe as that seems, it might take that to topple Iran's government.

To topple their government it would almost certainly require this as their actions smell of what a Communist nation would do. China probably felt the pressure and realized that they already lost their Venezuelan source of oil and they cannot afford to lose Iran too.

Thus, China watched as one by one their pieces of influence on the chess board disappeared. Now they are on 3 or 4 waves deep in terms of leaders. China would have to obtain intel from lower level diplomats and espionage sources to know who they are dealing with and if they will honor the same sweet deal they have.

Since this is uncertain I would not be surprised if they encouraged Iran to use all their resources and efforts. Block the strait, lob missiles at their neighbours, threaten to destroy the entire world rather than go quietly. It was a frantic move, a Hail Mary of sorts. Desperation.

Trumps team need to now work to influence the current Iranian citizens, regime change is not possible when their citizens are not organized and armed. As I said, this is a role for CIA at this point. Trump should push for closer relations based on basic tenets.

Trump would be wise to push for civil liberties in Iran. Advise a younger leadership group to embrace some easing of restrictions, treat citizens with more dignity and try to become more of the global community. If he can do this in addition to solid deals on nuclear enrichment it will be a success.

The truth is though unless a regime change occurs it is near impossible to know what their intentions and actions are behind the curtain, especially if Russia and China are in their corner.

 

[luiza]

During WW2, Germany had its Lord Haw-Haw and Axis Sally, and Japan had its Tokyo Rose.

Don't be Sharia Luiza.

Don't get too bitter ,Salty .
Think of your calamitous support for Motor Mouth as just equivalent to backing one rogue horse that flattered to deceive but turned out to be a serial loser .

I must say that being a double loser like several others here must be depressing for you .

Trumpfy and Israel at the same time .
A real kicking where it hurts most .

But give it a year or two and people will have forgiven your short sightedness and poor judgement .
People will always forgive those who show genuine contrition mixed with obvious determination never to make such rash judgements again .

So Good luck with your recovery . Both you and the youngster Strangles 85 .
See if you can mentor him because he needs guidance .

 

[Stryder50]

President Trump has been judicious so far, about destroying their power plants. As severe as that seems, it might take that to topple Iran's government.

If we want the people of Iran to uprise and remove the theocracy we don't need to alienate them towards the USA, nor add to the hardships that will occur with a regime change.
Damage/destruction to infrastructure should be kept to a minimum.

Energy should be focused on getting weapons and advisers in country to help the people arm and organize.

 

[Stryder50]

To topple their government it would almost certainly require this as their actions smell of what a Communist nation would do. China probably felt the pressure and realized that they already lost their Venezuelan source of oil and they cannot afford to lose Iran too.

Thus, China watched as one by one their pieces of influence on the chess board disappeared. Now they are on 3 or 4 waves deep in terms of leaders. China would have to obtain intel from lower level diplomats and espionage sources to know who they are dealing with and if they will honor the same sweet deal they have.

Since this is uncertain I would not be surprised if they encouraged Iran to use all their resources and efforts. Block the strait, lob missiles at their neighbours, threaten to destroy the entire world rather than go quietly. It was a frantic move, a Hail Mary of sorts. Desperation.

Trumps team need to now work to influence the current Iranian citizens, regime change is not possible when their citizens are not organized and armed. As I said, this is a role for CIA at this point. Trump should push for closer relations based on basic tenets.

Trump would be wise to push for civil liberties in Iran. Advise a younger leadership group to embrace some easing of restrictions, treat citizens with more dignity and try to become more of the global community. If he can do this in addition to solid deals on nuclear enrichment it will be a success.

The truth is though unless a regime change occurs it is near impossible to know what their intentions and actions are behind the curtain, especially if Russia and China are in their corner.

The CIA has done a rather poor job of such in recent decades.
This might be better for SOF - Green Beret, with CIA in a secondary role.

 

[JGalt]

If we want the people of Iran to uprise and remove the theocracy we don't need to alienate them towards the USA, nor add to the hardships that will occur with a regime change.
Damage/destruction to infrastructure should be kept to a minimum.

Energy should be focused on getti9ng weapons and advisers in country to help the people arm and organize.

That's probably why Trump hasn't cut their power yet. I have no doubt that he, his Secretary of War, and Secretary of State know what they're doing, this isn't anything like prior wars we've had in the Middle East. The rules of engage are now in favor of our military.

I heard he just sent the 82nd Airborne over there. They will most likely be used to engage the IRGC in lightning raids within Iran, striking fast, then being quickly extracted. I just hope and pray we don't see any American casualties.

 

[Ace Nova]

Good to see you and Snider85 still promising to fight on even though you are rocking and reeling --- but in a bad way .
It might be really smart to throw in the towel before things get really nasty .

American troops might be in combat by Saturday and are going to be shocked at their reception .

Lots of
Boom , Boom ,Tel Aviv
Punished for your Evil deeds .

Is this comic relief?

As far as the war itself goes - I don't have much of an opinion on it other than the fact that Iran showed its true colors by massacring thousands of protesters.

Iran has an absolute ZERO chance of winning this war - if there was a number less than zero - it would be that.

I'll give you a small hint - Iran has received less than 1% of the total military capabilities of the United States.

It is the equivalent of an Elephant fighting a mosquito. Does an Elephant fear (or even take a mosquito seriously)?

It may annoy it - fly around - annoy it some more. It will swing its trunk at it as a warning to leave it alone. When the mosquito continues to annoy it - it will swing at it more. Eventually, the Elephant gets fed up and simply steps on the mosquito.

Capish?

Do you now understand?

The United States does not want international conflict - wars -etc - we would much rather lead through diplomacy and agreements. This is the reason for our restraint - simple.


As far as the Iranian people go - they are brilliant, beautiful people - this is in no way an insult towards them - it is the exact opposite - no country should act like a hostile bully to everyone around them knowing they cannot provide adequate defense for their civilians when push comes to shove- especially when their people are the strength of their state.

If a regime rules with an iron scepter - internally and externally - they should always be aware that there may be someone out there ruling with a pen internally - would like to use the pen externally - but when push comes to shove - will bring out a hammer 1000x stronger than the iron scepter.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I make no attempt to follow or keep up with Trump's numbers.

Finish the Job.

That's my only focus, and if it goes past 61 days (as Obummer did?) so be it.

Trump can extend the 60-day limit by another 30 days.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That's probably why Trump hasn't cut their power yet. I have no doubt that he, his Secretary of War, and Secretary of State know what they're doing, this isn't anything like prior wars we've had in the Middle East. The rules of engage are now in favor of our military.

I heard he just sent the 82nd Airborne over there. They will most likely be used to engage the IRGC in lightning raids within Iran, striking fast, then being quickly extracted. I just hope and pray we don't see any American casualties.

How do you extract an Airborne unit? They can't come out the way they went in. Are they going to ruck out?

 

[Ace Nova]

If we want the people of Iran to uprise and remove the theocracy we don't need to alienate them towards the USA, nor add to the hardships that will occur with a regime change.
Damage/destruction to infrastructure should be kept to a minimum.

Energy should be focused on getti9ng weapons and advisers in country to help the people arm and organize.

Yes, I agree.

Hopefully there will be a deal done soon - and the new government - whether Islamic or not - should be mandated to provide modern day standards of human rights to all citizens, especially women - and a restructured judicial process - that would be on par with Western Judicial processes.

 

[Ace Nova]

That's probably why Trump hasn't cut their power yet. I have no doubt that he, his Secretary of War, and Secretary of State know what they're doing, this isn't anything like prior wars we've had in the Middle East. The rules of engage are now in favor of our military.

I heard he just sent the 82nd Airborne over there. They will most likely be used to engage the IRGC in lightning raids within Iran, striking fast, then being quickly extracted. I just hope and pray we don't see any American casualties.

Personally, I do not fully understand why we are even at war with Iran at this moment. Ideally, there will be a deal reached before any further escalation.

That said - if the war must continue - in order to minimalize casualties - doing the following could help:

Before any military troops are sent in - whether it be boots on the ground or airborne raids - all secondary targets should be annihilated via air strikes - meaning all munitions strongholds - all military warehouses, etc

Then all infastructure around military bases - all roads, bridges leading to military bases/strongholds - including all railways around military bases, etc should all be targeted in precise airstrikes.

Always using precision guided weapons so that no civilian targets are hit - ideally leading to no civilian casualties.

 

[Stryder50]

That's probably why Trump hasn't cut their power yet. I have no doubt that he, his Secretary of War, and Secretary of State know what they're doing, this isn't anything like prior wars we've had in the Middle East. The rules of engage are now in favor of our military.

I heard he just sent the 82nd Airborne over there. They will most likely be used to engage the IRGC in lightning raids within Iran, striking fast, then being quickly extracted. I just hope and pray we don't see any American casualties.

We have A-10 Warthogs and Apache helios to engage the IRGC. Not enough transport helicopters yet to flit around a rather large country. Not much reason yet for such.

I'd expect that the 82nd and the Marines are going to grab Kharhg Island, and maybe a couple ports on/near the Strait of Hormuz. This cuts the tap and flow of Iran's petro-dollar$ and puts more squeeze on the regime.

SOF~ Green Beret, etc. connect with some of the leaders of the opposition, arm and advise them, help them target and remove essential leaders and bits of the regime and IRGC.

Basically start the topple of the theocracy and set in motion replacement government.

 

[Stryder50]

Yes, I agree.

Hopefully there will be a deal done soon - and the new government - whether Islamic or not - should be mandated to provide modern day standards of human rights to all citizens, especially women - and a restructured judicial process - that would be on par with Western Judicial processes.

The attributes you recommend are rare under Islamic style government. Like the solution will be more secular and representative constitutional.

 

[Stryder50]

Personally, I do not fully understand why we are even at war with Iran at this moment. Ideally, there will be a deal reached before any further escalation.

That said - if the war must continue - in order to minimalize casualties - doing the following could help:

Before any military troops are sent in - whether it be boots on the ground or airborne raids - all secondary targets should be annihilated via air strikes - meaning all munitions strongholds - all military warehouses, etc

Then all infastructure around military bases - all roads, bridges leading to military bases/strongholds - including all railways around military bases, etc should all be targeted in precise airstrikes.

Always using precision guided weapons so that no civilian targets are hit - ideally leading to no civilian casualties.

Victor Davis Hanson gives some insight on the why in this thread;
Trump’s Way of War
All your other points are what is being done already. Exception is that "boots on the ground" will likely be minimum, and effort will be to arm and assist/advise a "People's Insurrection" to remove the theocratic regime, replace it with something more humane, and civil.

 

[Ace Nova]

We have A-10 Warthogs and Apache helios to engage the IRGC. Not enough transport helicopters yet to flit around a rather large country. Not much reason yet for such.

I'd expect that the 82nd and the Marines are going to grab Kharhg Island, and maybe a couple ports on/near the Strait of Hormuz. This cuts the tap and flow of Iran's petro-dollar$ and puts more squeeze on the regime.

SOF~ Green Beret, etc. connect with some of the leaders of the opposition, arm and advise them, help them target and remove essential leaders and bits of the regime and IRGC.

Basically start the topple of the theocracy and set in motion replacement government.

Prior to engaging their military directly - a massive "flyer" dump - millions of flyers dumped over every one of their military bases - offering 100% asylum to any IRGC troop that deflects/surrenders.

The flyer would include vivid pictures of the slaughtered Iranian protesters - with a statement saying, "You are defending a regime who is willing to slaughter your brothers and sisters without due process - how soon will they do it to you?"

And if the NSA could tap into their media/internet - blasting the same message millions of times over the internet and tv - it would be even more effective.

It would plant a seed that would likely come to fruition if the war were to escalate - possibly sooner.

 

[Stryder50]

Prior to engaging their military directly - a massive "flyer" dump - millions of flyers dumped over every one of their military bases - offering 100% asylum to any IRGC troop that deflects/surrenders.

The flyer would include vivid pictures of the slaughtered Iranian protesters - with a statement saying, "You are defending a regime who is willing to slaughter your brothers and sisters without due process - how soon will they do it to you?"

And if the NSA could tap into their media/internet - blasting the same message millions of times over the internet and tv - it would be even more effective.

It would plant a seed that would likely come to fruition if the war were to escalate - possibly sooner.

I'd add in we carpet bomb with bags of pork rinds (scratch ins) that have pocket size copies of the USA Constitution and Declaration of Independence inside. One page is in English, opposite page in Farsi (or other local language).

 

[luiza]

If we want the people of Iran to uprise and remove the theocracy we don't need to alienate them towards the USA, nor add to the hardships that will occur with a regime change.
Damage/destruction to infrastructure should be kept to a minimum.

Energy should be focused on getting weapons and advisers in country to help the people arm and organize.

Bringing American billionaires and psychopaths into Iran followsAmericans past blueprint for guaranteed failure .
Snider 85 seems locked obsessively into the updated Nazi model of rule and control .

 

[JGalt]

How do you extract an Airborne unit? They can't come out the way they went in. Are they going to ruck out?

Simple: We have air superiority over Iran. They have no planes, no radar, and no air defense.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Yahoooooo! Netanyahu is winning!