Zone1 Sunday, Absolutely is not The Commanded Seventh Day Sabbath!

[TruthSeeker112125]

Shabbat ~ to cease or rest.
There was no Jewish Law at the time God was creating the heavens and the earth. He said if you work 6 days, take the next day off. Rest. Let your livestock rest. Let them wander about the field to eat what's left. Let the poor people gather what's left. < That describes Jews working on Shabbat because there was no law preventing it.

The very word that defines Shabbat is rest, not Saturday. The message could not be more clear. And keep in mind we are talking about 2 different calendars. Whatever name we give the day we rest isn't as important as using the day to rest and commune with God.

Do you think God would condemn you if you took every Tues. off and spent the day in church reading the gospel and praying?

Ireish The Law, was not only given to the "Jews",.... It was Given to All of the Children of Yisrael.

That also goes for The O.T.,.... Not about the "Jews" only.

The Calendar? There was not Calendar in the Old Testament.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So You dispute the Messiah telling the Rich Man that if he wanted to get to Heaven, to Keep The Commandments?

Irish,... Constantine the Great, had the Honoring of the Seventh Day Sabbath, changed to Sunday, throughout the Roman Empire. In fact his newly formed "Catholic Church", corrupted many Teachings of The Messiah.

Beginning with Martin Luther, "Christianity" maintained many of the Teachings of Catholicism.

Did You even bother to read the Quotes in Post#2?

No, I don't dispute what Christ said to the rich man. The rich man was Jewish, and under the Law.
Many Catholics believe in replacement theology, where they usurp the covenants that God made with the Jews.
As far as Gentiles, We are not yoked to Jewish Laws. Constantine was not bound to keep Jewish Law. In fact, the Talmud states that Gentiles are not obligated to keep the 613 Laws that they observe.

And I don't believe for a minute that God cares what brick and mortar building we emerge from on Sat. or Sun. He is interested in the condition of our hearts on Monday...

 

[Woodznutz]

But, God didn't say in Genesis that He worked from Sunday through Fri. and then took Saturday off. We just know that whatever calendar day His work was finished, he rested the next day.
The Torah is a specific set of laws for a specific people. And even then, God came up with a better covenant. He sent Jesus to fulfill the Law for the Jews.
We were never put under those conditions. God divulged the reasons to take a day off in Genesis. He didn't say which day...

Regardless of calendar date, changes in the calendar, the naming of days, the seven-day weekly cycle has remained intact for thousands of years, so there's no question which is the "seventh day" of the week.

 

[Woodznutz]

Ireish The Law, was not only given to the "Jews",.... It was Given to All of the Children of Yisrael.

That also goes for The O.T.,.... Not about the "Jews" only.

The Calendar? There was not Calendar in the Old Testament.

There was the seven-day weekly cycle.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Romans 14:5-6 One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Can you find anywhere in the NT that tells Christians we need to adhere to Shabbat?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Regardless of calendar date, changes in the calendar, the naming of days, the seven-day weekly cycle has remained intact for thousands of years, so there's no question which is the "seventh day" of the week.

For the Jew it's Sat. For the Jew. So why on this earth would any Gentile put themselves under any Jewish Law + ? If you do and break one, you have broken them all.
I also believe the week begins on Sun. But it makes no difference to the Gentile. Christians rest and celebrate on Sunday, the day Christ rose from the dead.
Even the Talmud tells us that Gentiles are not obligated to follow Jewish Law.

Romans 14:5-6 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

^^^ That verse addresses this very debate. If you rest on Saturday, God will count it to you as righteousness. If you rest on Sunday, God will count it as righteousness on your part. If you eat fish on Friday to honor Him, He considers it as righteous on your part. If you don't eat fish on Friday to honor Him, He considers it as righteous on your part...

 

[The Irish Ram]

Ireish The Law, was not only given to the "Jews",.... It was Given to All of the Children of Yisrael.

That also goes for The O.T.,.... Not about the "Jews" only.

The Calendar? There was not Calendar in the Old Testament.

Who it wasn't given to were the Gentiles.
The OT is mostly about the Jews. The NT is Jesus/Jew/Gentile.
The Hebrew calendar is one of the oldest there is. And I think they still use it...

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

No, I don't dispute what Christ said to the rich man. The rich man was Jewish, and under the Law.
Many Catholics believe in replacement theology, where they usurp the covenants that God made with the Jews.
As far as Gentiles, We are not yoked to Jewish Laws. Constantine was not bound to keep Jewish Law. In fact, the Talmud states that Gentiles are not obligated to keep the 613 Laws that they observe.

And I don't believe for a minute that God cares what brick and mortar building we emerge from on Sat. or Sun. He is interested in the condition of our hearts on Monday...

You've taken m any widely different Teachings/Beliefs from amy widely different sources, & thrown them in to a "Mental Blender", & stand upon them.

You also "Pick & Choose" what pleases You from the Scriptures, & cast away the rest.

You also Rage at people that disagree with you, & try to point You to The Truth.

Specifically show me where it is stated that The Ten Commandments Covenant is not for All of Mankind.

Specifically show me where it is stated that the Old Testament is about the "Jews" only.

Specifically show me where it is stated in the Talmud states that Gentiles are not obligated to keep the 613 Laws that they observe.

Specifically show me where it is stated And I don't believe for a minute that God cares what brick and mortar building we emerge from on Sat. or Sun. He is interested in the condition of our hearts on Monday...

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Who it wasn't given to were the Gentiles.
The OT is mostly about the Jews. The NT is Jesus/Jew/Gentile.
The Hebrew calendar is one of the oldest there is. And I think they still use it...

The reckoning of time, Per Genesis 1:, was performed by observation of the Sun, Moon, & Stars.

No Where in The Old Testament, can it be found, of The Children of Yisrael using a Man made Calendar.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Romans 14:5-6 One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Can you find anywhere in the NT that tells Christians we need to adhere to Shabbat?

Mat_19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Mat 22:35 One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him.
Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?”
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mat 22:40 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”

Jhn_14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments.

Jhn_14:21 One who has my commandments, and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”

Jhn_15:10 If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and remain in his love.

1Jn_2:3 This is how we know that we know him: if we keep his commandments.

1Jn_2:4 One who says, “I know him,” and doesn’t keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth isn’t in him.

1Jn_3:22 and whatever we ask, we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do the things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn_3:24 He who keeps his commandments remains in him, and he in him. By this we know that he remains in us, by the Spirit which he gave us.

1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep his commandments.

1Jn_5:3 For this is loving God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.

2Jn_1:6 This is love, that we should walk according to his commandments. This is the commandment, even as you heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
Rev_14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

Rev_22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.