What is 'Zionism'?

[toomuchtime_]

I would argue it is the precise opposite. First, what other "race" has this "right"? Second, who is this entity that hands out these rights? Where are these native homelands? Do I have a claim to Jutland? It is insane.

It's a very complex situation and discussions of abstract rights are irrelevant. One has the rights one can defend, and the modern history of Israel and the Arabs has been shaped by the refusal of the Arabs to live in peace with Jews and the Arab attempts to conquer the Jewish people. Realistically, Israel has a right to exist because it has defeated all the Arab attempts to destroy it.

 

[Captain Creeper]

Right, you were wrong, get used to it.

Wrong about what, I was?

 

[Churchill]

Wrong about what, I was?

The claim that "Arabs invented the suicide vest", see you can't even hold a simple discussion without forgetting what you just said, it's all that weed you're smoking. Not only do you post nonsense you can't even remember posting it.

Here, let me help you again:

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What happened to the real CrusaderFrank who posted here years ago?

Can’t unsee Gaza and the Epstein Files

 

[Stryder50]

There are many different types of Zionism and therefore many different definitions. The problem is that people don't distinguish between types and lump everything together.

Happens with a lot of subjects/topics, and is main reason for garbled discussion/debates.
Another example is "Climate Change" or "Global Warming". Rarely does one preface with Natural or Human Caused (Anthropogenic).

 

[Stryder50]

Crazy is conflating protecting US interests with zionism.

Or failing to see they might be mutual.

 

[Stryder50]

First thing first. No one should rely on israelophobic-dominant-Wikipedia (as documented) on anything related to Israel.

Oh, and:
Newsflash
Arab Muslim "palestine" terrorists target as much Talmudic-anti-zionist Haredi Jews in Jerusalem than secular zionists in Tel-Aviv.

Just saying.

As with any source, one needs to apply filters at times. Also check sources, who contributed to the Wiki page/article.
Here's what the first few paragraphs say and seems correct for the most part.
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Zionism is an ethnocultural nationalist movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through colonization in the region of Palestine, which roughly corresponds to the Land of Israel in Judaism—itself central to Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.

Zionism initially emerged in Central and Eastern Europe as a secular nationalist movement in the late 19th century, in reaction to new waves of antisemitism and in response to the Haskalah, or Jewish Enlightenment. By the beginning of the 20th century, the Zionist movement, now led by Theodor Herzl, associated this national revival with Palestine, then under Ottoman rule.The arrival of Zionist settlers to Palestine during this period is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.> The Zionist claim to Palestine was based on the notion that the Jews' historical right to the land outweighed that of the Arabs.

In 1917, the Balfour Declaration established Britain's support for the movement. In 1922, the Mandate for Palestine, governed by Britain, explicitly privileged Jewish settlers over the local population. In 1948, after the end of the British Mandate, the State of Israel declared its independence and war broke out. During the war, Israel expanded its territory to control over 78% of former Mandatory Palestine. As a result of the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight, an estimated 160,000 of 870,000 Palestinians in the territory remained, forming a Palestinian minority in Israel.

Zionist views have varied over time and are not uniform, resulting in a variety of types of Zionism. The Zionist mainstream has historically included Liberal, Labor, Revisionist, and Cultural Zionism, while groups like Brit Shalom and Ihud have been dissident factions within the movement. Religious Zionism is a variant that combines secular nationalism and religious conservatism. Advocates of Zionism have viewed it as a national liberation movement for the repatriation of an indigenous people (who were subject to persecution and share a national identity through national consciousness), to the homeland of their ancestors. Opponents of Zionism often characterize it as a supremacist, colonialist, or as a settler colonialist movement.
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Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Stryder50]

As with any source, one needs to apply filters at times. Also check sources, who contributed to the Wiki page/article.
Here's what the first few paragraphs say and seems correct for the most part.
...
Zionism is an ethnocultural nationalist movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through colonization in the region of Palestine, which roughly corresponds to the Land of Israel in Judaism—itself central to Jewish history. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.

Zionism initially emerged in Central and Eastern Europe as a secular nationalist movement in the late 19th century, in reaction to new waves of antisemitism and in response to the Haskalah, or Jewish Enlightenment. By the beginning of the 20th century, the Zionist movement, now led by Theodor Herzl, associated this national revival with Palestine, then under Ottoman rule.The arrival of Zionist settlers to Palestine during this period is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.> The Zionist claim to Palestine was based on the notion that the Jews' historical right to the land outweighed that of the Arabs.

In 1917, the Balfour Declaration established Britain's support for the movement. In 1922, the Mandate for Palestine, governed by Britain, explicitly privileged Jewish settlers over the local population. In 1948, after the end of the British Mandate, the State of Israel declared its independence and war broke out. During the war, Israel expanded its territory to control over 78% of former Mandatory Palestine. As a result of the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight, an estimated 160,000 of 870,000 Palestinians in the territory remained, forming a Palestinian minority in Israel.

Zionist views have varied over time and are not uniform, resulting in a variety of types of Zionism. The Zionist mainstream has historically included Liberal, Labor, Revisionist, and Cultural Zionism, while groups like Brit Shalom and Ihud have been dissident factions within the movement. Religious Zionism is a variant that combines secular nationalism and religious conservatism. Advocates of Zionism have viewed it as a national liberation movement for the repatriation of an indigenous people (who were subject to persecution and share a national identity through national consciousness), to the homeland of their ancestors. Opponents of Zionism often characterize it as a supremacist, colonialist, or as a settler colonialist movement.
...

Zionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For those who want to see the footnotes ~ sources;
...
Zionism<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>a<span>]</span></a> is an ethnocultural nationalist<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through colonization in the region of Palestine,<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> which roughly corresponds to the Land of Israel in Judaism—itself central to Jewish history.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

Zionism initially emerged in Central and Eastern Europe as a secular nationalist movement in the late 19th century, in reaction to new waves of antisemitism and in response to the Haskalah, or Jewish Enlightenment.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> By the beginning of the 20th century, the Zionist movement, now led by Theodor Herzl, associated this national revival with Palestine, then under Ottoman rule.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a> The arrival of Zionist settlers to Palestine during this period is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a> The Zionist claim to Palestine was based on the notion that the Jews' historical right to the land outweighed that of the Arabs.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>

In 1917, the Balfour Declaration established Britain's support for the movement. In 1922, the Mandate for Palestine, governed by Britain, explicitly privileged Jewish settlers over the local population. In 1948, after the end of the British Mandate, the State of Israel declared its independence and war broke out. During the war, Israel expanded its territory to control over 78% of former Mandatory Palestine. As a result of the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight, an estimated 160,000 of 870,000 Palestinians in the territory remained, forming a Palestinian minority in Israel.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a>

Zionist views have varied over time and are not uniform, resulting in a variety of types of Zionism.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> The Zionist mainstream has historically included Liberal, Labor, Revisionist, and Cultural Zionism, while groups like Brit Shalom and Ihud have been dissident factions within the movement.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia&lt;sup_class=%22noprint_Inline-Template_%22_style=%22white-space:nowrap;%22&gt;[&lt;i&gt;[[Wikipedia:Citing_sources|&lt;span_title=%22This_citation_requires_a_reference_to_the_specific_page_or_range_of_pages_in_which_the_material_appears. (October_2024)%22&gt;page&nbsp;needed&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt;]&lt;/sup&gt;-17"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a> Religious Zionism is a variant that combines secular nationalism and religious conservatism. Advocates of Zionism have viewed it as a national liberation movement for the repatriation of an indigenous people (who were subject to persecution and share a national identity through national consciousness), to the homeland of their ancestors.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a> Opponents of Zionism often characterize it as a supremacist,<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a> colonialist,<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a> or racist ideology,<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>24<span>]</span></a> or as a settler colonialist movement.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>25<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>26<span>]</span></a>

 

[Stryder50]

Additional references;

“What is Zionism?” Six Things to Know​

Types of Zionism - Wikipedia​

History of Zionism - Wikipedia​

 

[Stryder50]

Zion is a Hebrew word that refers to a specific hill in Jerusalem, the Temple, the city, the land, and the afterlife. It is a central concept in Judaism, especially in relation to the Temple, the Messiah, ...

Zion - Wikipedia​

 

[Captain Creeper]

The claim that "Arabs invented the suicide vest", see you can't even hold a simple discussion without forgetting what you just said, it's all that weed you're smoking. Not only do you post nonsense you can't even remember posting it.

Here, let me help you again:

View attachment 1234769

You non-Americans have no grasp of sarcasm and American humor. That always gives you away! LOL!!

Hahmed AlAH hOmAnee!!! (translates to "suck my dick")

 

[Captain Creeper]

For those who want to see the footnotes ~ sources;
...
Zionism<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>a<span>]</span></a> is an ethnocultural nationalist<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> movement that emerged in late 19th-century Europe to establish and support a Jewish homeland through colonization in the region of Palestine,<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> which roughly corresponds to the Land of Israel in Judaism—itself central to Jewish history.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

Zionism initially emerged in Central and Eastern Europe as a secular nationalist movement in the late 19th century, in reaction to new waves of antisemitism and in response to the Haskalah, or Jewish Enlightenment.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> By the beginning of the 20th century, the Zionist movement, now led by Theodor Herzl, associated this national revival with Palestine, then under Ottoman rule.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a> The arrival of Zionist settlers to Palestine during this period is widely seen as the start of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a> The Zionist claim to Palestine was based on the notion that the Jews' historical right to the land outweighed that of the Arabs.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>

In 1917, the Balfour Declaration established Britain's support for the movement. In 1922, the Mandate for Palestine, governed by Britain, explicitly privileged Jewish settlers over the local population. In 1948, after the end of the British Mandate, the State of Israel declared its independence and war broke out. During the war, Israel expanded its territory to control over 78% of former Mandatory Palestine. As a result of the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight, an estimated 160,000 of 870,000 Palestinians in the territory remained, forming a Palestinian minority in Israel.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a>

Zionist views have varied over time and are not uniform, resulting in a variety of types of Zionism.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> The Zionist mainstream has historically included Liberal, Labor, Revisionist, and Cultural Zionism, while groups like Brit Shalom and Ihud have been dissident factions within the movement.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia&lt;sup_class=%22noprint_Inline-Template_%22_style=%22white-space:nowrap;%22&gt;[&lt;i&gt;[[Wikipedia:Citing_sources|&lt;span_title=%22This_citation_requires_a_reference_to_the_specific_page_or_range_of_pages_in_which_the_material_appears. (October_2024)%22&gt;page&nbsp;needed&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/i&gt;]&lt;/sup&gt;-17"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a> Religious Zionism is a variant that combines secular nationalism and religious conservatism. Advocates of Zionism have viewed it as a national liberation movement for the repatriation of an indigenous people (who were subject to persecution and share a national identity through national consciousness), to the homeland of their ancestors.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a> Opponents of Zionism often characterize it as a supremacist,<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a> colonialist,<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a> or racist ideology,<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>24<span>]</span></a> or as a settler colonialist movement.<a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>25<span>]</span></a><a href="Zionism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>26<span>]</span></a>

This thread is turning into the copy-n-paste Olympics.

 

[Captain Creeper]

Can’t unsee Gaza and the Epstein Files

Israel's destruction of Gaza was righteous, and pretty muted considering what the hamas dogs did to Israel's innocents. I would have used nuclear weapons.

 

[Stryder50]

This thread is turning into the copy-n-paste Olympics.

Sometimes it's better to use a source others can check than to wing it off the top of one's mind and get blamed for fabrication.

 

[Stryder50]

Israel's destruction of Gaza was righteous, and pretty muted considering what the hamas dogs did to Israel's innocents. I would have used nuclear weapons.

Israel also tried to evacuate as many Gazans as could/would leave before going in after Hamas.
Hamas choice to hide-out inside Gaza makes Hamas responsible for the destruction.
The brave mujahedin of Hamas should have left and stood on uninhabited ground to battle the IDF, become martyrs to Islam.

 

[Churchill]

You non-Americans have no grasp of sarcasm and American humor. That always gives you away! LOL!!

No, that isn't it, you're just not very funny.

Hahmed AlAH hOmAnee!!! (translates to "suck my dick")

You don't have one.

 

[Churchill]

Israel's destruction of Gaza was righteous, and pretty muted considering what the hamas dogs did to Israel's innocents. I would have used nuclear weapons.

Don't be silly, you'd only hurt yourself.

 

[OldFlame]

Can’t unsee Gaza and the Epstein Files

What do either of those have to do with Zionism? Or will you ignore me again?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Israel's destruction of Gaza was righteous, and pretty muted considering what the hamas dogs did to Israel's innocents. I would have used nuclear weapons.

Interesting

 

[Churchill]

Interesting

There are some truly deranged people in this forum (but only about 30-odd, I counted them all a few weeks ago), just imagine the reaction if someone suggested a nuclear weapon be detonated in Israel, I'd hear the wailing all the way over here in Britain.