What is 'Zionism'?

[toomuchtime_]

Sure personally, I recognize everyone of the member states of the United Nations. Everyone though has a right to criticize any government in the world without being called a racist.

You are providing your opinion above. And that’s fine. I just hope that you’re not one of those people that throws around the word racist or anti-Jew recklessly.

See how many times do you see people who criticize the Saudi Arabian government being called an anti Muslim bigot?

It is telling that you feel defensive about being called an antisemite despite the fact that nothing in my post even dealt with that issue.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

It is telling that you feel defensive about being called an antisemite despite the fact that nothing in my post even dealt with that issue.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. My post was very simple and straightforward. Have a disagreement with it then quote a certain point and say why or what it is you’re trying to say.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

lol all this stuff about Arab and Muslims… how about the United Arab Emirates which is pro Israel.

Ah Lisa558 Dogmaphobe tell us all what you think about Muslim. I mean, this is hilarious and fascinating at the same time. You can’t make this stuff up. These people lie relentlessly and unapologetically about people being anti-Jewish and then say what they say about Muslims.

Islam is a manifesto calling for world domination. I oppose it.

You are a Muslim pretending that you aren't Islamic like several other revolting posters here.

 

[OldFlame]

If you accuse somebody of bigotry iow “hate on Jews”, you have to prove it. And no you don’t get to tell people they are racist because you don’t like how somebody talks about a Zionist or Israeli lobbying… You have to show them saying Jews are inferior to non-Jews. You know what’s fascinating about all of this….Tell us all what you think about Muslims.



This is very simple. A lot of people don’t like dead babies in Gaza. They criticize the Israeli government. They criticize the Israeli lobby. The Israeli lobby and the Israel Israeli government are Zionist. Whatever you’re doing is just a big nothing burger.


I personally recognize the existence of Israel, along with every country that has a member of the United Nations. I’m not against all Zionists… there is a lot of nuance in this discussion and that’s something that you just don’t care about at all. You call people Muslims, you call people liars, you call people Jew haters, and you do so unapologetically and relentlessly.




I do not support the United States giving weapons and money to the current israeli government. Whatever you’re doing here again it’s just a big waste of time and a nothing burger.

All of that bullshit and you didn't answer the question in the op at all.

 

[OldFlame]

no

I apply it to them too...It take two to stay at war forever....Don't say that I speak for anyone else but myself.

That's what I see, I see people that have made no legitimate argument to hate 'Zionists', have given nothing but hyperbole as answers to my question. If you blame the Israeli government then name them, not 'Zionists'. I also don't see those who are blaming all of the world's ills on 'Zionists' saying one damn thing about muslims, and they are all over this board.

 

[Lisa558]

That's what I see, I see people that have made no legitimate argument to hate 'Zionists', have given nothing but hyperbole as answers to my question. If you blame the Israeli government then name them, not 'Zionists'. I also don't see those who are blaming all of the world's ills on 'Zionists' saying one damn thing about muslims, and they are all over this board.

It’s antisemitism, even when they say it’s just Israel and Zionism,
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You see it here all the time. A poster was insisting that his hatred of Israel has nothing to do with the fact that it’s a Jewish state, and then later in the same post he said that the world shouldn’t kowtow “to a Jewish bully.”

 

[Oddball]

That's what I see, I see people that have made no legitimate argument to hate 'Zionists', have given nothing but hyperbole as answers to my question. If you blame the Israeli government then name them, not 'Zionists'. I also don't see those who are blaming all of the world's ills on 'Zionists' saying one damn thing about muslims, and they are all over this board.

I detest the Likud party Zionists, and every asshole that claims criticism of them and their despotic warmonger gubmint is an "antisemite".

Those people are every bit as phucked up as Al Sharpton.

 

[Lisa558]

I detest the Likud party Zionists, and every asshole that claims criticism of them and their despotic warmonger gubmint is an "antisemite".

Those people are every bit as phucked up as Al Sharpton.

You hate Jews when you say you hate “Zionists.” They are almost the same thing - 90% of Jews are Zionists.

 

[Lisa558]

If it’s just “Zionists” these antisemites hate, and not Jews, why aren’t the chants “Death to Zionists”? Why weren’t they called “No Zionists Zones”?

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Bullshit. Have any of the First Nation tribes in Canada demanded their "self-determined, native," homeland? Is the US giving the Dakota's back to the Lakota? And, let's talk about Japan. The Yamato and Shinto. A more homogeneous group than the Jews. If any ethnic group deserves a homeland it is them, but do they expect the entire international community to support them. Did they claim some divine right to the Island when China was trying to invade? No, no they did not.

I mean the claim, that the Jews are somehow entitled to this land because of some promise made to their so called long lost relatives is comical. Hell, they are no more genetically linked to the original inhabitants of that land than Native Americans. The Diaspora watered down their genetics to the point that there is no resemblance to the original Jews, the twelve tribes. In fact, the Palestinians are probably more closely linked.

More gibberish. They belong there because they were invited in by the people who ruled the place, and they get to stay there because they fought for it against bunch of feral murdering scum trying to rob them. You got nothing but insipid whining. Try not being a halfwit tool.

 

[Lockback]

You hate Jews when you say you hate “Zionists.” They are almost the same thing - 90% of Jews are Zionists.

And virtually 100% of Zionists are Jews.

It's all about the hatred.

I can't really define Zionism.
I'm just a marginally Christian non-church goer but my step daughters both married Jewish guys. And they have been nothing but wonderfully warm and inclusive with us.

But I sure can smell antisemitism a damn mile away. And it's rampant anymore, the product of Far Left propaganda in our universities. It's disgusting to see ignorant college students chanting, "From the river to the sea" when they can't even name the river or the sea.
They're dumber than clay. Totally brainwashed by evil people.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Kind of reminds me of many on the left who are constantly apologizing to Native Americans for stealing their land and yet not one of them have put forth any plans to give the country back to the Native Americans.

Apologies are for sh*t--constructive actions, over time, is only measure of change.

Most tribes now have sovereign lands--in effect, their little piece of their own America.
Most do well with it..a few don't.

When industrial nations come into contact with hunter gatherers--the outcome has been ugly.
Maybe, if we are in that position again, we'll do better?
Maybe not though~

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The consanguinity rate for Jews is FAR BELOW that of Israel's neighbors and miniscule compared to you British Muslims.

So, still lot more than say...The US?

 

[Lisa558]

And virtually 100% of Zionists are Jews.

It's all about the hatred.

I can't really define Zionism.
I'm just a marginally Christian non-church goer but my step daughters both married Jewish guys. And they have been nothing but wonderfully warm and inclusive with us.

But I sure can smell antisemitism a damn mile away. And it's rampant anymore, the product of Far Left propaganda in our universities. It's disgusting to see ignorant college students chanting, "From the river to the sea" when they can't even name the river or the sea.
They're dumber than clay. Totally brainwashed by evil people.

The only part of your post that’s inaccurate is saying that 100% of Zionists are Jews. There are many Christian Zionists. You yourself are one, All it means is someone who believes Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state.

Everything else you said? Spot on.

 

[Winston]

More gibberish. They belong there because they were invited in by the people who ruled the place, and they get to stay there because they fought for it against bunch of feral murdering scum trying to rob them. You got nothing but insipid whining. Try not being a halfwit tool.

Feral murdering scum uh? Ah yes, unintended irony, the best kind.

 

[Lockback]

The only part of your post that’s inaccurate is saying that 100% of Zionists are Jews. There are many Christian Zionists. You yourself are one, All it means is someone who believes Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state.

Everything else you said? Spot on.

My apologies.