what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

[TimFitz]

I never heard your plan - what is it?

Trump got his idea of “great television”. Which is what he wanted.

He kissed Vladimir Putin’s ass on live global television.

And he and Vance ganged upon Zelinsky, trying to make him look weak.

Zelinsky did not take the bait, so Vance lectured him like a gangster over “respect”,and then Trump bellowed and effectively ended the mineral deal.

The effect of this is to drive a deep wedge between the United States and NATO. Pushing us apart and weakening both parties on the world stage.

This is what aputin has always dreamed of, and Trump is trying to give it to Moscow on a plate.

On the other hand, had we elected to fight for freedom and self determination in Ukraine, we would have all of NATO with us (as we have since 1949).

And the Russians would be up against the wall.

 

[TimFitz]

Ukraine is losing the war

Thats a basic fact that libs continue to overlook

Trump is trying to help make that happen.

His cowardice is a disgrace to the entire world.

 

[martybegan]

19-years and never saw a post from you for us to get out.

Never saw a post about Shitlers! horrible Foha Agreement.

Just saw your sycophant posts.

False equivalence.

That for us was a medium action that used less than 1/4 of our military capability. Ukraine is fighting for it's life, and losing.

Without direct NATO/Europe interaction they will lose in 3-5 years at the current pace.

 

[22lcidw]

Forever war? After three years?

What did you call a Mericas 19 year one in Afghanistan?

And Progs were antiwar. Now they are not. You get Republicans to agree with you and you change your agendas due to it. Sphere of influence. Russia has theirs. EU GDP 28 trillion dollars. Russia GDP 2 trillion dollars. Let Europe go to war if that is what they want.

 

[otto105]

False equivalence.

That for us was a medium action that used less than 1/4 of our military capability. Ukraine is fighting for it's life, and losing.

Without direct NATO/Europe interaction they will lose in 3-5 years at the current pace.

How much did we spend?

How many of our troops died?

Did you bitch like a maga baby over GWBs war?

No

 

[otto105]

And Progs were antiwar. Now they are not. You get Republicans to agree with you and you change your agendas due to it. Sphere of influence. Russia has theirs. EU GDP 28 trillion dollars. Russia GDP 2 trillion dollars. Let Europe go to war if that is what they want.

Conservatives once stood for the spreading of democracy throughout the world.

Now we stand with pootin.

 

[Mac-7]

Trump is trying to help make that happen.

His cowardice is a disgrace to the entire world.

Its already happened

You need to face reality

 

[sparky]

Trump is trying to help make that happen.

His cowardice is a disgrace to the entire world.

Discretion is the better part of valor Tim

~S~

 

[martybegan]

How much did we spend?

How many of our troops died?

Did you bitch like a maga baby over GWBs war?

No

Two different issues. Those were nation building. One can debate the misguidedness of the situation.

This is one side wanting to conquer the other, and the other side wanting its land back.

 

[Rawley]

There was a time that the US understood this Give me liberty or give me death! - Wikipedia!

Good thing that Churchill understood this.

Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. All of them hope that the storm will pass before their turn comes to be devoured. But I fear greatly that the storm will not pass. It will rage and it will roar ever more loudly, ever more widely.

Sadly all of you now want to admire Chamberlain.

You think Putin is Hitler and will take over Europe?

 

[Rawley]

I want Pootin to feel more pain.

You want to fuck him on first date.

Now I remember why you're on Iggie. Have a blessed life.

 

[Rawley]

Trump got his idea of “great television”. Which is what he wanted.

He kissed Vladimir Putin’s ass on live global television.

And he and Vance ganged upon Zelinsky, trying to make him look weak.

Zelinsky did not take the bait, so Vance lectured him like a gangster over “respect”,and then Trump bellowed and effectively ended the mineral deal.

The effect of this is to drive a deep wedge between the United States and NATO. Pushing us apart and weakening both parties on the world stage.

This is what aputin has always dreamed of, and Trump is trying to give it to Moscow on a plate.

On the other hand, had we elected to fight for freedom and self determination in Ukraine, we would have all of NATO with us (as we have since 1949).

And the Russians would be up against the wall.

So, you have no plan. Thanks for confirming

 

[forkup]

You think Putin is Hitler and will take over Europe?

Well, if an autocratic leader annexes territory twice over the objections of its people and international community and then invades a country. Raping, murdering, and kidnapping tens of thousands of children to be raised in the homeland in the process. And expresses the aspiration to "reunite" what he considers his land further. Explicitly citing countries that are members of the EU AND NATO. I think I can draw certain parallels.

 

[Rawley]

Well, if an autocratic leader annexes territory twice over the objections of its people and international community and then invades a country. Raping, murdering, and kidnapping tens of thousands of children to be raised in the homeland in the process. And expresses the aspiration to "reunite" what he considers his land further. Explicitly citing countries that are members of the EU AND NATO. I think I can draw certain parallels.

If you really think that, why hasn't the EU sent troops to drive the new Hitler from Ukraine, if he's truly the existential threat you are advocating?

 

[forkup]

It could lead to WWIII. No thanks.

For over seventy years the US was willing to risk global annihilation in order to stand up not just for their own freedom, but the freedom of others. An act that made the US the ONLY global superpower and allowed it to influence and control not just trade but culture throughout the world.

You are willing and eager to throw that all away in support of a person that doesn't give a flying fuck about anybody but himself.

Russia has NOT started ww3. And the US and Europe has supplied the Ukraine with arms for over 3 years. So, what does continuing this policy risk?

 

[forkup]

If you really think that, why hasn't the EU sent troops to drive the new Hitler from Ukraine, if he's truly the existential threat you are advocating?

Because Europe doesn't need to yet, and that type of escalation brings risks. At the moment Ukraine can and is fighting at the very least making Russia pay a heavy price. It's both cynical and perfectly understandable. As I said before, money is cheaper than blood.

 

[forkup]

The plan is for a Forever War in Ukraine, not to defeat Putin at all.

The plan is to make it an economic war of attrition. Since that is the only, relatively safe way to end this conflict.

 

[DonGlock26]

For over seventy years the US was willing to risk global annihilation in order to stand up not just for their own freedom, but the freedom of others. An act that made the US the ONLY global superpower and allowed it to influence and control not just trade but culture throughout the world.

You are willing and eager to throw that all away in support of a person that doesn't give a flying fuck about anybody but himself.

Russia has NOT started ww3. And the US and Europe has supplied the Ukraine with arms for over 3 years. So, what does continuing this policy risk?

Have we ever put US troops in a combat zone with Russian troops post-WWII?

 

[forkup]

Have we ever put US troops in a combat zone with Russian troops post-WWII?

Yes, Korea comes to mind. Syria to be more recent. And no that isn't what's being proposed. And don't come up with that proposed peacekeeping mission. Because a peacekeeping mission implies it's no longer a combat zone.

 

[DonGlock26]

Trump got his idea of “great television”. Which is what he wanted.

He kissed Vladimir Putin’s ass on live global television.

And he and Vance ganged upon Zelinsky, trying to make him look weak.

Zelinsky did not take the bait, so Vance lectured him like a gangster over “respect”,and then Trump bellowed and effectively ended the mineral deal.

The effect of this is to drive a deep wedge between the United States and NATO. Pushing us apart and weakening both parties on the world stage.

This is what aputin has always dreamed of, and Trump is trying to give it to Moscow on a plate.

On the other hand, had we elected to fight for freedom and self determination in Ukraine, we would have all of NATO with us (as we have since 1949).

And the Russians would be up against the wall.

And we would be respected.

So, nothing close to a plan from you then.