what is the lefts plan to end the war in Ukraine ?

Because Europe doesn't need to yet, and that type of escalation brings risks. At the moment Ukraine can and is fighting at the very least making Russia pay a heavy price. It's both cynical and perfectly understandable. As I said before, money is cheaper than blood.
??? "invades a country. Raping, murdering, and kidnapping tens of thousands of children to be raised in the homeland in the process. And expresses the aspiration to "reunite" what he considers his land further. Explicitly citing countries that are members of the EU AND NATO. I think I can draw certain parallels."

So this is not an existential threat to the EU? Doesn't seem your argument is consistent.
 
??? "invades a country. Raping, murdering, and kidnapping tens of thousands of children to be raised in the homeland in the process. And expresses the aspiration to "reunite" what he considers his land further. Explicitly citing countries that are members of the EU AND NATO. I think I can draw certain parallels."

So this is not an existential threat to the EU? Doesn't seem your argument is consistent.
I never said it wasn't an existential threat. I'm saying that even when one deals with existential threats one can use prudence.
 
Where were the Russian troop formations in combat in Korea?
By the way, come to think of it. During the Cold War Russian and Us forces were in contact all the time. Be it on land, air, sea or under it.
 
I never said it wasn't an existential threat. I'm saying that even when one deals with existential threats one can use prudence.
I guess we have different understanding as what an existential threat is. If my neighbor poses an existential threat to my family, I will destroy them, burn down their house and salt their graves.
 
Again, Afghanistan or Vietnam had no ships to speak of either. What happened?

For the umpteenth time why is this different? If anything, Ukraine has more power and help then either of those countries.

Vietnam was mostly jungle and Johnson (D) allowed the North Vietnamese to use neighboring countries to supply and rest their troops. Nixion bombed the shit out of North Vietnam and cut the supply lines.
North Vietnam was forced to the peace treaty table and they signed on the dotted line. Democrats in congress betrayed the South Vietnamese by withholding all aid a few years later. See the pattern? More Democrat weakness.

Afghanistan is a mountainous area which has been difficult to control since Alexander the Great.
If the US wanted to truly rule it, it would require ruthless total war and the American People would not tolerate it.

Ukraine is flat and next door to Russia. To compare jungle and mountains to plains is militarily stupid.
 
I guess we have different understanding as what an existential threat is. If my neighbor poses an existential threat to my family, I will destroy them, burn down their house and salt their graves.
Well, if you know that that neighbor thinks the same and is armed to the teeth, I doubt you would ask him for a duel at high noon. You would try to "burn down their house and salt their grave" in a way that doesn't get you killed in the process.
 
The plan is to make it an economic war of attrition. Since that is the only, relatively safe way to end this conflict.

Considering the pisspoor situation the US budget is in, that would be the kind of war America would lose- particularly with libs campaigning so actively against Government efficiency.
 
With the left, it's always about the process, not the results.

Right now, the process they favor is keeping Ukraine a meat grinder for both Ukrainians and Russians. "Let the Ruskies deplete their Army," or some such nonsense.

Human life means nothing to the left. Abortion is not the only policy in which they oppose the pro-life side.
 
Vietnam was mostly jungle and Johnson (D) allowed the North Vietnamese to use neighboring countries to supply and rest their troops. Nixion bombed the shit out of North Vietnam and cut the supply lines.
North Vietnam was forced to the peace treaty table and they signed on the dotted line. Democrats in congress betrayed the South Vietnamese by withholding all aid a few years later. See the pattern? More Democrat weakness.

Afghanistan is a mountainous area which has been difficult to control since Alexander the Great.
If the US wanted to truly rule it, it would require ruthless total war and the American People would not tolerate it.

Ukraine is flat and next door to Russia. To compare jungle and mountains to plains is militarily stupid.
What is more important, they do speak the same language and they are people of more or less same culture. It's more Civil war, rather than invasion in a really alien environment.
 
Vietnam was mostly jungle and Johnson (D) allowed the North Vietnamese to use neighboring countries to supply and rest their troops. Nixion bombed the shit out of North Vietnam and cut the supply lines.
North Vietnam was forced to the peace treaty table and they signed on the dotted line. Democrats in congress betrayed the South Vietnamese by withholding all aid a few years later. See the pattern? More Democrat weakness.

Afghanistan is a mountainous area which has been difficult to control since Alexander the Great.
If the US wanted to truly rule it, it would require ruthless total war and the American People would not tolerate it.

Ukraine is flat and next door to Russia. To compare jungle and mountains to plains is militarily stupid.
Well, what about comparing the mujahedeen and VC's military capabilities, with those of a modern army armed with drones, tanks, and other sophisticated weapons supplied by Western nations. Isn't that militarily stupid?

Yes, Ukraine is flat, yet despite Russia's best efforts it's gains are moderately small. This isn't a war of movement really; it's attritional warfare on a modern battlefield. One that Ukraine is been continuing for years. Yet here you are claiming they have no chance.
 
Well, if you know that that neighbor thinks the same and is armed to the teeth, I doubt you would ask him for a duel at high noon. You would try to "burn down their house and salt their grave" in a way that doesn't get you killed in the process.
So, we do have different interpretation what constitutes an "existential threat"
 
Considering the pisspoor situation the US budget is in, that would be the kind of war America would lose- particularly with libs campaigning so actively against Government efficiency.
Sure. The US economy is so bad they can't sustain a war against a country that has the GDP of the Benelux. While by the way Europe is footing half the bill.
 
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Well, what about comparing the mujahedeen and VC's military capabilities, with those of a modern army armed with drones, tanks, and other sophisticated weapons supplied by Western nations. Isn't that militarily stupid?

Yes, Ukraine is flat, yet despite Russia's best efforts it's gains are moderately small. This isn't a war of movement really; it's attritional warfare on a modern battlefield. One that Ukraine is been continuing for years. Yet here you are claiming they have no chance.

You brought up Vietnam and Afghanistan. Were you being militarily stupid?
 
Read the article. They did it covertly not openly. Where did US and Russian forces openly meet in a combat zone during the cold war?
Where has the US and Russia openly met in a combat zone in Ukraine. Otherwise why would it be relevant?
 
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