Zone1 What is Roman Catholicism ??

[The Irish Ram]

Not at all. Roman Catholicism is based on the simple idea that Almighty God put Adam and Eve into the Garden, not Adam and Steve.

Just like any other non-cultic religious faith.

There is a huge difference between the RCC and cultic faiths like Unitarian Universalism and Radical Episcopalianism.

Hasn't the Catholic Church dumped Adam and Eve and embraced Darwin instead?

 

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all religions are cults.

Technically. But not all cults are religions. It's a good thing there's freedom of religion.

 

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YOu cannot apply logic to religion.

So by that logic, you must believe that all adherents of any religion couldn't be logical?

 

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Religion evaporates like frost in the sun when exposed to it.

Care to test that theory in the bull ring? Because I have no doubt that that would apply to YOUR understanding of religion but not MY understanding of religion.

 

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Atheism is not a religion. That's just something the religious whack-jobs cooked up.

You're in a religious forum attacking rival religions. How is that not behaving like a religion?

 

[Cougarbear]

Aha.



Dear friend - in my words: "I am the bible". My ancestors had been Jews and Catholics.



So you never called your father father - specially before you had been able to read the bible which was written from my people? I tell you what I read: Do not call your [biological] father your [spiritual] father because only god is your [spiritual] father. And believe it or not: Leo XIV is not my father - but he is the Holy Father of about 1½ billion Catholics who are all together idiots because your mother feeded you with the spoon of wisdom.



I'm sure some Catholics call Leo XIV "Bob". But I'm not sure whether they know the Bobfahrerlied (Bobsledding song). Do you know, Mr. Know Allmighty?

You claim to believe the Bible but ignore the parts that the RCC has changed or gotten rid of. "Pope" means Holy Father. He's not Holy Father. Father in Heaven is Holy Father.

 

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Hasn't the Catholic Church dumped Adam and Eve and embraced Darwin instead?

I can't believe you got deked by Donald H.

 

[Cougarbear]

You've yet to provide the scripture that all apostles held the keys to the kingdom. So until you do that or acknowledge there is no scriptural support for that belief, there's not really much more to discuss.

You can ignore the scriptures all you want. Until you stop ignoring them, you are correct that there isn't much more to discuss.

 

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You can ignore the scriptures all you want. Until you stop ignoring them, you are correct that there isn't much more to discuss.

I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that scripture says all apostles have the keys to the kingdom. Until you do, I don't think you should even be talking to me.

 

[Cougarbear]

Actually he didn't say you can become gods which is what you believe. He said isn't it written you are gods? But even that wasn't his intention. It wasn't a statement. It was a question.

That is exactly what the verses say. Why do you ignore the obvious? Because it doesn't suit your desire for God to be this magical invisible God who is so big he fills the universe and yet so small he can dwell in your heart. That is not the God I know. When he says that I may inherit all the he has, that would make me just like him grown up. I'm a god in embryo now and later, I'll have my own universe to rule and judge because I will 100% know what is good and what is evil. I'll continue to read the bible literally and let you read it with your unbiblical slants.

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't like to follow up on this but so you call your father father although you hold the more or less absurd opinion that the Book of Books forbids it. The reason why you do so is because Catholics call the pope father, call abbots and abbesses father and fatheress and call in generell every priest father. And also the own [foster] father father. Oh ... nearly I forgot that we call also god our father [in heaven].

Question: Could it be that everyone in the world calls the own father father and that this picture Jesus used "the only one you should call father" shows what so many people like to understand and what we say in every church service? In German this is the sentence "Wir heissen nicht nur 'Kinder Gottes', wir sind es!" - My translation is: “We are not just called 'children of God' - we are.“

What about to visit for 4 years every Sunday a Catholic church service? Then you will not only travel through the long centuries of the bible but you could perhaps also find out how terrible my translation was. By the way: What Jesus spoke in Aramaic and what we noticed in Greek and what you will hear in English in the USA has a spirit which has to be always again new translated into the language with the very long word "I, now".



First of all calls everyone - also you - the own father father. When Jesus said "Don't do so" then he perhaps not really said "Don't do so" but did just simple say "Wake up. Now I will tell you something what's important, this is ... "!

And in case I will die and Jesus will say "You called your father father - that's a terrible sin - you will go to hell now." Then I will only answer "Nice joke, Satana. You can now take the costume off again. I'll come with you if God sees fit. Who would I be if I resisted the will of God? Definitely not the one I think I know."

I'll try to keep it simple for simple-minded fools. Jesus said do not call anyone who is your spiritual leader Father. If you want to call your father on earth, father, that is completely okay to do as long he isn't called to the mission of Christ. The Pope means literally, Holy Father. There is only one Holy Father and that is Father in Heaven. You can break the commandment but I will not. And, I'm able to comprehend the difference between RCC calling the Pope and some priests "Father" and my earthly father.

Try this on for size. Now, there is the fact that in Exodus 20:12, one of the Ten Commandments is "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee." So, the verse in Matt 23:9 is specific for religious reasons calling a leader "father" or "Father" capitalized. If this is not the case, then in Exodus 20:12, there would then be an actual statement in the Bible that we also have a Mother in Heaven.

 

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That is exactly what the verses say. Why do you ignore the obvious? Because it doesn't suit your desire for God to be this magical invisible God who is so big he fills the universe and yet so small he can dwell in your heart. That is not the God I know. When he says that I may inherit all the he has, that would make me just like him grown up. I'm a god in embryo now and later, I'll have my own universe to rule and judge because I will 100% know what is good and what is evil. I'll continue to read the bible literally and let you read it with your unbiblical slants.

Quote it.

 

[Crepitus]

So by that logic, you must believe that all adherents of any religion couldn't be logical?

Not what I said, but keep digging, you'll find the bottom of that hole eventually.