Zone1 What is Roman Catholicism ??

[The Irish Ram]

Not at all. Roman Catholicism is based on the simple idea that Almighty God put Adam and Eve into the Garden, not Adam and Steve.

Just like any other non-cultic religious faith.

There is a huge difference between the RCC and cultic faiths like Unitarian Universalism and Radical Episcopalianism.

Hasn't the Catholic Church dumped Adam and Eve and embraced Darwin instead?

 

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all religions are cults.

Technically. But not all cults are religions. It's a good thing there's freedom of religion.

 

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YOu cannot apply logic to religion.

So by that logic, you must believe that all adherents of any religion couldn't be logical?

 

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Religion evaporates like frost in the sun when exposed to it.

Care to test that theory in the bull ring? Because I have no doubt that that would apply to YOUR understanding of religion but not MY understanding of religion.

 

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Atheism is not a religion. That's just something the religious whack-jobs cooked up.

You're in a religious forum attacking rival religions. How is that not behaving like a religion?

 

[Cougarbear]

Aha.



Dear friend - in my words: "I am the bible". My ancestors had been Jews and Catholics.



So you never called your father father - specially before you had been able to read the bible which was written from my people? I tell you what I read: Do not call your [biological] father your [spiritual] father because only god is your [spiritual] father. And believe it or not: Leo XIV is not my father - but he is the Holy Father of about 1½ billion Catholics who are all together idiots because your mother feeded you with the spoon of wisdom.



I'm sure some Catholics call Leo XIV "Bob". But I'm not sure whether they know the Bobfahrerlied (Bobsledding song). Do you know, Mr. Know Allmighty?

You claim to believe the Bible but ignore the parts that the RCC has changed or gotten rid of. "Pope" means Holy Father. He's not Holy Father. Father in Heaven is Holy Father.

 

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Hasn't the Catholic Church dumped Adam and Eve and embraced Darwin instead?

I can't believe you got deked by Donald H.

 

[Cougarbear]

You've yet to provide the scripture that all apostles held the keys to the kingdom. So until you do that or acknowledge there is no scriptural support for that belief, there's not really much more to discuss.

You can ignore the scriptures all you want. Until you stop ignoring them, you are correct that there isn't much more to discuss.

 

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You can ignore the scriptures all you want. Until you stop ignoring them, you are correct that there isn't much more to discuss.

I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that scripture says all apostles have the keys to the kingdom. Until you do, I don't think you should even be talking to me.

 

[Cougarbear]

Actually he didn't say you can become gods which is what you believe. He said isn't it written you are gods? But even that wasn't his intention. It wasn't a statement. It was a question.

That is exactly what the verses say. Why do you ignore the obvious? Because it doesn't suit your desire for God to be this magical invisible God who is so big he fills the universe and yet so small he can dwell in your heart. That is not the God I know. When he says that I may inherit all the he has, that would make me just like him grown up. I'm a god in embryo now and later, I'll have my own universe to rule and judge because I will 100% know what is good and what is evil. I'll continue to read the bible literally and let you read it with your unbiblical slants.

 

[Cougarbear]

I don't like to follow up on this but so you call your father father although you hold the more or less absurd opinion that the Book of Books forbids it. The reason why you do so is because Catholics call the pope father, call abbots and abbesses father and fatheress and call in generell every priest father. And also the own [foster] father father. Oh ... nearly I forgot that we call also god our father [in heaven].

Question: Could it be that everyone in the world calls the own father father and that this picture Jesus used "the only one you should call father" shows what so many people like to understand and what we say in every church service? In German this is the sentence "Wir heissen nicht nur 'Kinder Gottes', wir sind es!" - My translation is: “We are not just called 'children of God' - we are.“

What about to visit for 4 years every Sunday a Catholic church service? Then you will not only travel through the long centuries of the bible but you could perhaps also find out how terrible my translation was. By the way: What Jesus spoke in Aramaic and what we noticed in Greek and what you will hear in English in the USA has a spirit which has to be always again new translated into the language with the very long word "I, now".



First of all calls everyone - also you - the own father father. When Jesus said "Don't do so" then he perhaps not really said "Don't do so" but did just simple say "Wake up. Now I will tell you something what's important, this is ... "!

And in case I will die and Jesus will say "You called your father father - that's a terrible sin - you will go to hell now." Then I will only answer "Nice joke, Satana. You can now take the costume off again. I'll come with you if God sees fit. Who would I be if I resisted the will of God? Definitely not the one I think I know."

I'll try to keep it simple for simple-minded fools. Jesus said do not call anyone who is your spiritual leader Father. If you want to call your father on earth, father, that is completely okay to do as long he isn't called to the mission of Christ. The Pope means literally, Holy Father. There is only one Holy Father and that is Father in Heaven. You can break the commandment but I will not. And, I'm able to comprehend the difference between RCC calling the Pope and some priests "Father" and my earthly father.

Try this on for size. Now, there is the fact that in Exodus 20:12, one of the Ten Commandments is "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee." So, the verse in Matt 23:9 is specific for religious reasons calling a leader "father" or "Father" capitalized. If this is not the case, then in Exodus 20:12, there would then be an actual statement in the Bible that we also have a Mother in Heaven.

 

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That is exactly what the verses say. Why do you ignore the obvious? Because it doesn't suit your desire for God to be this magical invisible God who is so big he fills the universe and yet so small he can dwell in your heart. That is not the God I know. When he says that I may inherit all the he has, that would make me just like him grown up. I'm a god in embryo now and later, I'll have my own universe to rule and judge because I will 100% know what is good and what is evil. I'll continue to read the bible literally and let you read it with your unbiblical slants.

Quote it.

 

[Crepitus]

So by that logic, you must believe that all adherents of any religion couldn't be logical?

Not what I said, but keep digging, you'll find the bottom of that hole eventually.

 

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Not what I said, but keep digging, you'll find the bottom of that hole eventually.

I didn't say that's what you said. I said by YOUR logic. You know the logic that it's quite obvious and apparent to anyone with any intelligence at all that religion is so illogical that it can't stand the test of scrutiny.

Don't crawfish away from it. Own it.

 

[zaangalewa]

Indoctrination of humans started when humans first evolved from the lower primates

Or with other words: Animals and human beings need education. Human beings much more because we are in a very special kind "weltoffen" - verbally: "open for the world". Your negative form to see the world and all human beings has perhaps to do with a wrong form of education or with a strange psychological structure. I don't know what you call "evolution" - it's one of the most misused words in the world - but it should be clear to you - whatever you understand under evolution - means we all stand on something what was before a long time ago. In the stone ages existed no nuclear fusion reactor - they called something what's similar "sun". A good word - still today.

when humans knew they had to make their young ones fear other tribal members,

You have not any idea what you try to speak about, isn't it? Do you suffer depressions?

wild animals,

Animals had been always wild. This changed when we started to "evolve" some of them and domested animales so they became tame. In an evolutionary language we call this "symbiotic relationship". But this is without any moral quality for individuals - what you can see easily in a chicken farm. Never existed so many chickens (symbiotic success) - and never they had a so miserable form of life. A shame for us. I warn you to make the mistakes of Darwinists and Nazis to think "biology" or "genetics" is a key for human societies. Biology and genetcis is important - very important for example in medicine - but human beings are more than their biology.

floods, earthquakes, etc. so they would survive and multiply.

Eh?

Fast forward to 2025 and humans still use fear to indoctrinate the sheep into their beliefs of religion, whatever that religion may be.

You use fear and contempt for humanity in your "arguments" - which more sound like an expression of deep sense of grievance. I also often use drastic words - but only on reason to warn if I see something going wrong. In your case drastic words are superflous. You suffer. You are not able to use the abilities god gave you, "sheep". For example you are not able to think about that atheism "only" could be a belief. You are not able to seperate what's your belief and what's your knowledge.

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Not really - more than 1½ billion. But this is not really important. All human beings are able to be wrong in a special term - and only one human being is able to be right in a special term - if god enlightens only this one human being. We say "the wind blows where the wind wants to blow" (wind = holy spirit). We have to listen to everyone - it could be Jesus and god personally could speak to us out of this person. Who knows?

and even more Muslims.

More than 50% of all human beings are monotheists.

Does that mean Islam is "true"?

For me Islamists are not Muslims and Jesus is also a prophet in the Islam. And the biggest problem between Muslims and Catholics is not god - it's irrationality vs rationality. Irrationality has a better chance to win. So not only the number of Muslims grows - also the number of atheists grows - who are for example not able to understand that atheism is only a belief. But we Christians have a good influence on them: They work together against us. And if Muslims and Atheists are able to work together everyone should be able to work together. The only what you have to learn is to work together for others and not against others.

And to you I suggest: Go to a doctor and ask him whether it could be you have depressions. Depressions are a very serios - often only bodily - sickness. Start to fight the good fight. The fight for all life. Also the fight for your own life. That's what our stone age ancestors "indoctrinated" into us.



The moon stood brightly high above the path,
as the woman from the village made her way home.
The number of miles ahead of her made her heart grow cold,
and so she passed the enchanted forest.
If I follow the path that fades into the light there,
then I'll be in the village before the morning dawns.
Oh, they are only stories, like the stones so old!?
she said and stepped into the enchanted forest.

Refrain: (all 2 verses)
Fog and light, and voices in the wind,
that lure and call and are strange.
Beware, wanderer, give way, take heed!
And do not enter the forest of magic by night.

After barely a hundred paces, the forest closed in around her.
Where had she come from? Where was she going? She soon lost her way.
Seen from the path, the way seemed so clear!
How was it that everything was so strange now?
She couldn't find her way back and she followed the light ahead in the trees,
she didn't reach it.
With every step she took, it receded, as it were,
and led her away, bit by bit through the forest.

Refrain

Then she heard music from the trees, the heights,
she looked fixedly at the light, she didn't want to see anything.
The sound was so strange that her heart almost broke,
but she would be lost if she gave in to the lure.
Someone called her name, a voice so beautiful,
asked her to come to him, she could hardly resist.
Come, I will bring you love and beauty and happiness!
No, because if I follow you, I will never return!

Refrain

A figure emerged from the mists and shadows, moon white and beautiful,
the dark eyes ancient.
'Come, human woman, lie with me this night,
I'll show you magic and dreams until the morning awakens.
A kiss from your lips will cost me a year,
the night in your arms whitens my hair.
Fairy, troll and elf only play their games with us;
let me go, good spirit, because I want to live!

Refrain

She no longer resists as he draws her closer,
already forgotten, lost, lost under his spell.
As his lips approach, the world is already far from her;
the beautiful death is a spell, far from space and time.
The moon was now low over the forest,
the day was near, the dewy air icy cold.
Deep in fairy arms the human woman lay still;
the night receded and the sky turned grey...

Refrain

So the first light fell on the foliage from the heights,
where the years pass quickly for the woman from the village.
In the ray the stranger becomes smoke and light,
leaving her pale and weak, but not killing her.
The day star now stood bright above the path,
as the woman from the village stepped out of the forest.
Her hair as white as snow, her skin as pale as marble,
from the magic of the forest that time had robbed her of.

Fog and light, and voices in the wind,
that lure and call and are strange.
Beware, wanderer, give way, take heed!
And do not enter the forest of magic by night.

 

[Crepitus]

I didn't say that's what you said. I said by YOUR logic. You know the logic that it's quite obvious and apparent to anyone with any intelligence at all that religion is so illogical that it can't stand the test of scrutiny.

Don't crawfish away from it. Own it.

Obviously logic isn't your strong suit, 'cause that's not how it works.

 

[zaangalewa]

Obviously logic isn't your strong suit, 'cause that's not how it works.

Tell me why something exists and not only nothing exists. What is the sense of existence per se? What's the logos, the logic behind the background of life?

Whatever I believed, believe or will believe: I was/I am and I am sure I never will be able to believe that all this hypergigantic universe all around and in us is created from an evil nothing for nothing. What should be the logic and/or sense of such an absurd form of paralysing belief? That means no one is able to do something wrong (good for criminals) but much more worse: Also no one is able to do something right (good for all and every life).

 

[zaangalewa]

Hasn't the Catholic Church dumped Adam and Eve and embraced Darwin instead?

Why can US-Americans not let be this totally and absolutelly stupid discussion "creation vs evolution"? This discussion is as senseless as the discussion "Peter's Cathedral vs red socks". Creation and evolution are totally different things. Hint: Evolution is created. And if someone really likes to think about: How comes it that a created structure without teleologie ("plan") makes not only so many different life forms on planet Earth - why makes it life at all? Evolution has no intention! A hammer has no intention! It is free. But it's also only a tool, a natural law. When god throws a hammer and everything starts to bloom then the miracle of life will not be more little the more we know about the hammer and how it flies.

 

[Cougarbear]

Quote it.

Have many times. You refuse to believe your own eyes. Psalms 82:6, John 10:34, Genesis 3:22. Why do you ignore the obvious?

 

[Cougarbear]

I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that scripture says all apostles have the keys to the kingdom. Until you do, I don't think you should even be talking to me.

I gave you the verses. Like other things that prove the RCC is an apostate cult you ignore the obvious right before your very eyes. And you have no ability to reason logically to know truth. All Apostles had keys or they could not be the foundation of Christ’s Church.