Zone1 What is Roman Catholicism ??

[Cougarbear]

In my humble opinion...

He was teaching Peter (and those who have ears) to listen and to understand what it means to "love him". Jesus did not seek romantic or emotional love - "Loving him" meant trusting that what he instructed and sacrificed himself for was the way and the truth.

John 21:

15Jesus and Peter. When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He replied, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my lambs.”

16 Jesus said to him again, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He replied, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Tend my sheep.”

17;Jesus said to him a third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt that Jesus had asked him a third time, “Do you love me?” “Lord,” he said to him, “you know everything. You know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep."

18“Amen, amen, I say to you,
when you were young
you used to fasten your own belt
and you would go wherever you wished.
But when you grow old,
you will stretch out your hands,
and someone else will put a belt around you
and take you where you do not wish to go.”

19 He said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. After this, he said to him, “Follow me.”

20. Peter looked around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them—the one who had reclined next to Jesus at the supper and had asked, “Lord, who is it that will betray you?” 21. When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about him?” 22. Jesus replied, “If it should be my will that he remain until I come, how does that concern you? Follow me!

23. The saying then spread among the brethren that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus had not said to Peter, “He will not die,” but, “If it should be my will that he remain until I come, how does that concern you?”


Jesus asked Peter 3 times, "Do you love me?" - each time, Peter responded truthfully but emotionally - the same way he declared that he would not "be scandalized" like others - to Jesus during the passion - emotionally - yet he went on to deny Jesus 3 times)

Jesus knew Peter loved him emotionally - but what he asked of Peter was true brotherly love - based on loyalty and trust - displayed by Peter's thoughts and actions. Peter was still thinking emotionally so Jesus would help him understand.

Each time Jesus asked Peter, "Do you love me" Peter quickly responds "yes" - Jesus tells Peter what it truly means to love him - he must put into action Jesus' teachings. It's easy to agree to something emotionally (and it could be truthful) but the ultimate truth is putting the words into action.

After the 3rd time Jesus questions him, Peter gets frustrated and is hurt (emotionally) so he says, "You know everything. You know I love you"

Jesus now gives Peter "tough love". Some say that this was Jesus foretelling about Peter's eventual execution. In a way it was - but not how most understand it.

When Peter "was young" he would "fasten his own belt" and "go wherever he wished" - when Jesus first met Peter - Peter did not yet love him "emotionally" so when Jesus asked him to cast out his net, Peter hesitated and explained that he had not caught fish all night - but if Jesus said so, he would cast it - and he did. The net came back bursting with more fish than it was capable of holding.

This is the type of love Jesus asked of Peter - he would prefer that Peter would hesitate before answering (thinking it through) and then to do it (put words into action) then for Peter to have "blind emotional love" by immediately answering, without thinking about what it meant - and therefore not putting his words into action. "Peter would tie his own belt and go where he wanted" - he tied his belt by thinking about what Jesus was asking of him, even hesitating - but chose to trust Jesus - putting his words into action - and by doing this, "went where he wanted".

When Peter gets older "someone else will tie his belt and take him where he does not want to go" This was going to happen physically to Peter and potentially Spiritually but Jesus then says, "Follow me". This was a warning to Peter that although he would physically be subject to others - if he followed him, he would attain spiritual Truth - and would never be subject to someone else tying his belt and taking him where he does not want to go.

Still nothing about what is your definition of Apostle? Peter was never a Pope. He was an Apostle or prophet, seer and revelator. The senior apostle or president of the church.

People have tried to distract from the fact that Jesus said John didn’t die. He went into hiding as a transliterated being awaiting the Lord’s return. Of course we all know Jesus told them all to come and follow me.

 

[Ace Nova]

Still nothing about what is your definition of Apostle?

It was answered. It was the last part of my post - right above your response telling me not to throw out gobs of words because no one bothers reading them. Well, I guess in this case you're right - at least about one person.



The faithful within the Catholic Church do not give themselves titles as "Apostles" out of humility and respect for the original Apostles - who sacrificed everything - including their lives - so that Jesus' message could live. That said, the Church as a whole is Apostolic and in a broader sense, someone sent on a mission could be considered an Apostle - but as I stated, most within the Church use that term specifically for the original followers of Jesus - out of respect and humility.

The word Pope is derived ultimately from the Greek πάππας) originally an affectionate term meaning "father", later referring to a bishop or patriarch.

Ask yourself this: What would Jesus - or his early Apostles - think about those who call themselves followers but only argue, create discord, judge, persecute and condemn one another over semantics and misunderstood teachings? Would they be those who Jesus recognizes? Or would they be those who Jesus spoke about when he said, "I never knew you."?

 

[Cougarbear]

It was answered. It was the last part of my post - right above your response telling me not to throw out gobs of words because no one bothers reading them. Well, I guess in this case you're right - at least about one person.



The faithful within the Catholic Church do not give themselves titles as "Apostles" out of humility and respect for the original Apostles - who sacrificed everything - including their lives - so that Jesus' message could live. That said, the Church as a whole is Apostolic and in a broader sense, someone sent on a mission could be considered an Apostle - but as I stated, most within the Church use that term specifically for the original followers of Jesus - out of respect and humility.

The word Pope is derived ultimately from the Greek πάππας) originally an affectionate term meaning "father", later referring to a bishop or patriarch.

Ask yourself this: What would Jesus - or his early Apostles - think about those who call themselves followers but only argue, create discord, judge, persecute and condemn one another over semantics and misunderstood teachings? Would they be those who Jesus recognizes? Or would they be those who Jesus spoke about when he said, "I never knew you."?

Nice twist there at the end. Chubby Checkers would be impressed. So, Jesus said the foundation of His church must be with apostles and prophets leading his church as special witnesses of the divinity and existence of the Lord Jesus Christ. The RCC admits then that they lack these oracles of God as the foundation. The evidence is overwhelming that this has caused the apostasy as doctrines and ordinances were changed including the priesthood itself. Back to Acts chapter 3 where the need of a prophet to restore the church with its original doctrines, ordinances and priesthood.

As a perfect example of how the apostasy exists is at the top of the RCC. Its foundation is on a man who calls himself “Father” when it’s clear Jesus said never do that. Only call our Father in Heaven, Father when it comes to holy. (Pope = Holy Father) Who will hear the words “I never knew you?” Time for you to reevaluate.

 

[Ace Nova]

Nice twist there at the end. Chubby Checkers would be impressed. So, Jesus said the foundation of His church must be with apostles and prophets leading his church as special witnesses of the divinity and existence of the Lord Jesus Christ. The RCC admits then that they lack these oracles of God as the foundation. The evidence is overwhelming that this has caused the apostasy as doctrines and ordinances were changed including the priesthood itself. Back to Acts chapter 3 where the need of a prophet to restore the church with its original doctrines, ordinances and priesthood.

As a perfect example of how the apostasy exists is at the top of the RCC. Its foundation is on a man who calls himself “Father” when it’s clear Jesus said never do that. Only call our Father in Heaven, Father when it comes to holy. (Pope = Holy Father) Who will hear the words “I never knew you?” Time for you to reevaluate.

We are not only special witnesses to the divinity and existence of Our Lord, Jesus Christ - we are given the gift of the Holy Eucharist - where through the faith of his Holy and Apostolic Church, By the power of the Holy Spirit, Bread made by human hands becomes the Body of Christ - wine pressed by mankind becomes his blood. This is a mystery of faith in which Catholics hold sacred.

"Do this in remembrance of Me".


Again - the Prophet spoken about in Acts 3 is Jesus. Up until now, I've been soft - but now it's time for some tough love.

With every word - every breath you take - accusing, judging the Catholic Church - you judge your own Church - by the same measure you judge the Catholic Church - you and your Church shall be judged.

You're entire basis for stating that a new Prophet - other than Jesus - is a requirement for "Christ's true Church" is taken from one sentence that is completely misinterpreted, misunderstood and a borderline deceitful interpretation of Acts.

How would Jesus respond to such allegations?

Matthew 7:

“Do not give to dogs anything that is holy. And do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and then proceed to tear you to pieces."

By Jesus' standards, I've already spent too much time on your nonsense. My intent is to show you and everyone else that the message of THE ONE TRUE CHRIST - for all mankind - is one of Mercy, non-judgement, patience, respecting one another, humility, forgiveness, selflessness - so that by the Grace of God -Through the power of the Holy Spirit - True Justice is rendered by Wisdom.


Instead of this conversation ending as it is written in Matthew 7, I was hoping it could conclude as it did in Matthew 15:

21;Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.

22;A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27.;“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28. Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

 

[ding]

Peter was never a Pope.

Who is St. Peter?​

Saint Peter is one of the most recognized saints in Christianity. He was the earliest leader of the Christian Church and is widely regarded as the first Pope. Although his existence dates back to the first century, his legacy continues to live on even today. St. Peter’s Basilica in Vatican City is solely dedicated to his martyrdom. Keep reading to find out Saint Peter’s story.

 

[kjw47]

My question is what is Roman Cathollicism ? I use to hear that it was a cult.?/!

2Thess 2:3 is the explanation.

 

[luiza]

Roman Catholicism is based on the simple idea that Almighty God put Adam and Eve into the Garden, not Adam and Steve.

Prefer the story that the Anunnaki/Elohim had to build safe areas when they came here--- think plastic/glass giant "bubbles" as germ/bacteria safe places .
Garden of Eden was one among many -- except the use of the term "garden" is a mistranslation .
There they lived and carried out their experimental work -- hence Madame and Steve .

It's a common myth /legend from all over the planet from areas that could not communicate with each other --- so not one common "story", but many all basically the same .

Same with the Flood later .
The Genesis yarn details comes a distance behind .
imho .

 

[Cougarbear]

We are not only special witnesses to the divinity and existence of Our Lord, Jesus Christ - we are given the gift of the Holy Eucharist - where through the faith of his Holy and Apostolic Church, By the power of the Holy Spirit, Bread made by human hands becomes the Body of Christ - wine pressed by mankind becomes his blood. This is a mystery of faith in which Catholics hold sacred.

"Do this in remembrance of Me".


Again - the Prophet spoken about in Acts 3 is Jesus. Up until now, I've been soft - but now it's time for some tough love.

With every word - every breath you take - accusing, judging the Catholic Church - you judge your own Church - by the same measure you judge the Catholic Church - you and your Church shall be judged.

You're entire basis for stating that a new Prophet - other than Jesus - is a requirement for "Christ's true Church" is taken from one sentence that is completely misinterpreted, misunderstood and a borderline deceitful interpretation of Acts.

How would Jesus respond to such allegations?

Matthew 7:

“Do not give to dogs anything that is holy. And do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and then proceed to tear you to pieces."

By Jesus' standards, I've already spent too much time on your nonsense. My intent is to show you and everyone else that the message of THE ONE TRUE CHRIST - for all mankind - is one of Mercy, non-judgement, patience, respecting one another, humility, forgiveness, selflessness - so that by the Grace of God -Through the power of the Holy Spirit - True Justice is rendered by Wisdom.


Instead of this conversation ending as it is written in Matthew 7, I was hoping it could conclude as it did in Matthew 15:

21;Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.

22;A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27.;“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28. Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Bold? Hardly. You simply dismissed an important verse you refuse to accept that proves the RCC gave up the Ghost long ago. You know how I know? Because you made a claim about the verse and then left it without explaining yourself. Then you go off on a tangent expecting me to take the bite. Take a deep breath. And then, you ignore calling the Pope, "Father" when Jesus specifically prohibits this blasphemy. This is the time of restitution of all things. As Moses stated, the Lord our God, would raise up a new prophet to restore all things because doctrines, ordinances and Priesthood has been destroyed and must be restored. A prophet of the restoration in the times of restitution of all things was Joseph Smith. You lose a false god, the Pope, and gain the fulness restored of the Gospel and it's doctrines, commandments, laws, ordinances and priesthood which will lead you to eternal life exalted in the Celestial Kingdom.

 

[Cougarbear]

Who is St. Peter?​

Saint Peter is one of the most recognized saints in Christianity. He was the earliest leader of the Christian Church and is widely regarded as the first Pope. Although his existence dates back to the first century, his legacy continues to live on even today. St. Peter’s Basilica in Vatican City is solely dedicated to his martyrdom. Keep reading to find out Saint Peter’s story.

Peter was never a Pope. Pope means "Holy Father." We have one Holy Father and it ain't any Pope! Matthew 23:9, Jesus Commands "And call no MAN your FATHER on earth, of Ones your FATHER, who is in HEAVEN." Is that clear enough? Peter was an apostle and prophet of God. Period! He led the Church until his death. Another apostle took his place, not some bishop Linus of Peanuts. It would have been James or John most likely. Paul came along later and was behind others in seniority. That's how the Lord chooses his apostle to lead.

 

[Ace Nova]

Cougarbear

You - by your confession - are no longer an active Catholic. What is it to you what the Catholic Church does?

Do you have faith?

You practice your faith not by believing in your Church but by ridiculing other faiths?

One who truly believes in their faith has no need to make excuses to practice it.

 

[initforme]

God is a loving a loving and forgiving God. All who believe in him shall receive what he provides.

 

[Cougarbear]

God is a loving a loving and forgiving God. All who believe in him shall receive what he provides.

Not all. Paul was clear there are different levels of resurrection and glory in the resurrection. Read 1Corinthians chapter 15.

 

[Cougarbear]

Cougarbear

You - by your confession - are no longer an active Catholic. What is it to you what the Catholic Church does?

Do you have faith?

You practice your faith not by believing in your Church but by ridiculing other faiths?

One who truly believes in their faith has no need to make excuses to practice it.

I've never been Catholic. Weird post. And yes, I'm calling in question the right of the RCC to call itself the true Church of Jesus Christ. Since there has been a restoration of the original Church Christ established with his apostles, it's important for eternal reasons to call out the apostasy. This does not call out the members since they are just deceived by all the pop and circumstances of the RCC. Instead, it's an offering to self correct before the day of repentance is gone.

 

[initforme]

Not all. Paul was clear there are different levels of resurrection and glory in the resurrection. Read 1Corinthians chapter 15.

Well helping the least among us is paramount. Attaining wealth will not do a thing in God's eyes.

 

[Cougarbear]

Well helping the least among us is paramount. Attaining wealth will not do a thing in God's eyes.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[ding]

Peter was never a Pope. Pope means "Holy Father." We have one Holy Father and it ain't any Pope! Matthew 23:9, Jesus Commands "And call no MAN your FATHER on earth, of Ones your FATHER, who is in HEAVEN." Is that clear enough? Peter was an apostle and prophet of God. Period! He led the Church until his death. Another apostle took his place, not some bishop Linus of Peanuts. It would have been James or John most likely. Paul came along later and was behind others in seniority. That's how the Lord chooses his apostle to lead.

Peter is widely recognized as the FIRST pope.

Within Roman Catholic and some Eastern Orthodox traditions, Saint Peter is widely recognized as the first Pope. This belief is rooted in the New Testament, particularly in the Gospel of Matthew, where Jesus is said to have given Peter the "keys to the kingdom" and appointed him as the "rock" upon which the Church would be built.

 

[Cougarbear]

Peter is widely recognized as the FIRST pope.

Within Roman Catholic and some Eastern Orthodox traditions, Saint Peter is widely recognized as the first Pope. This belief is rooted in the New Testament, particularly in the Gospel of Matthew, where Jesus is said to have given Peter the "keys to the kingdom" and appointed him as the "rock" upon which the Church would be built.

Peter did receive the keys of the kingdom. So did the other Apostles. But one can use the keys for the entire church and world. That was Peter until he died. Then, the next senior Apostle took over, not Linus.
Jesus is the Rock, stone of Israel. Correct interpretation is Peter is the receiver of revelation, rock (small “r”) of revelation. The Prophet, not Father. No one can be called Father except Father in Heaven. So no, the first Pope is when your church began calling your leader, pope. Hundreds of years later. Specifically 9th Century AD.

 

[ding]

So did the other Apostles.

Can you quote that verse?

 

[Cougarbear]

Can you quote that verse?

In order to be a mouthpiece for Christ, each would need that authority. Does God need to tell you everything before you act and understand? A slothful servant you are. You are unable to look for yourself. Pathetic.

 

[ding]

In order to be a mouthpiece for Christ, each would need that authority. Does God need to tell you everything before you act and understand? A slothful servant you are. You are unable to look for yourself. Pathetic.

What is the verse you believe which says all Apostles received the "keys to the kingdom" that Jesus explicitly gave to Peter?