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[rosends]

You didn't answer the question ? Women cannot be Rabbis because that's not their role, for the reasons , just I listed and a lot more, you don't have to be a Jewish scholar to know that ....so what's to ponder? And was the point?

the question is "what is a rabbi" and by exploring why a woman could or could not be a rabbi, I went through the various roles and responsibilities which might be required or invoked under different understandings of the word "rabbi."

In terms of "their role" that sounds like a answer based in what someone once told you. It begs the question about the role of the rabbi and the underlying issues regarding a woman's assuming that position. If you still wonder "what's to ponder" then I only wish you had read what I wrote.

 

[Meriweather]

the question is "what is a rabbi" and by exploring why a woman could or could not be a rabbi, I went through the various roles and responsibilities which might be required or invoked under different understandings of the word "rabbi."

I read what you wrote. The question I have is for any female in any traditional male roles: How does this benefit men?

 

[rosends]

I read what you wrote. The question I have is for any female in any traditional male roles: How does this benefit men?

part of the sociological element is that there is a chicken and egg argument here -- did the elevated state of men's education drive social roles or did the assertion of social superiority/physical strength lead to a monopoly on the education.

 

[Meriweather]

part of the sociological element is that there is a chicken and egg argument here -- did the elevated state of men's education drive social roles or did the assertion of social superiority/physical strength lead to a monopoly on the education.

Put social roles aside for the moment. Education, like many things, is driven by the role of supply and demand.

When I was ten, my grandfather introduced me to genealogy, which I immediately loved--not just the names, but the stories. It was due to this, I never bought into the idea of oppressed women. The stories and roles of all my maternal ancestors in an abundant of lines convinced me if any of them could come back the first thing they would do is slap this generation upside the head for it even crossing their minds that they could be "oppressed" by our mere male ancestors.

Take another look at history: What women wanted, women got. Our many men saw to that. Don't get me wrong, history shouldn't be over-balanced the other way either (on the side of men). Nor am I arguing that men and women's roles used to be balanced, I am looking at today. Therefore my question: How does women taking over any clergy (rabbis, since that is what is under discussion) benefit men?

 

[rosends]

Put social roles aside for the moment. Education, like many things, is driven by the role of supply and demand.

When I was ten, my grandfather introduced me to genealogy, which I immediately loved--not just the names, but the stories. It was due to this, I never bought into the idea of oppressed women. The stories and roles of all my maternal ancestors in an abundant of lines convinced me if any of them could come back the first thing they would do is slap this generation upside the head for it even crossing their minds that they could be "oppressed" by our mere male ancestors.

Take another look at history: What women wanted, women got. Our many men saw to that. Don't get me wrong, history shouldn't be over-balanced the other way either (on the side of men). Nor am I arguing that men and women's roles used to be balanced, I am looking at today. Therefore my question: How does women taking over any clergy (rabbis, since that is what is under discussion) benefit men?

but the question can't be answered unless you are clear on what the term is meant to indicate or reflect.

 

[DennisPTate]

Put social roles aside for the moment. Education, like many things, is driven by the role of supply and demand.

When I was ten, my grandfather introduced me to genealogy, which I immediately loved--not just the names, but the stories. It was due to this, I never bought into the idea of oppressed women. The stories and roles of all my maternal ancestors in an abundant of lines convinced me if any of them could come back the first thing they would do is slap this generation upside the head for it even crossing their minds that they could be "oppressed" by our mere male ancestors.

Take another look at history: What women wanted, women got. Our many men saw to that. Don't get me wrong, history shouldn't be over-balanced the other way either (on the side of men). Nor am I arguing that men and women's roles used to be balanced, I am looking at today. Therefore my question: How does women taking over any clergy (rabbis, since that is what is under discussion) benefit men?

Women taking over the roles of Rabbi or Pastor could well save millions of lives.

If all the men are too scared to "stand in the gap" then perhaps a woman or a child may have to be raised up to do it.

"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none." [Ezekiel 22:30]

Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 22 - King James Version

Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? yea, thou shalt shew her all her abominations. Then say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD, The city sheddeth blood in the midst of it, that her time may come, and maketh idols...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Jroc]

I read what you wrote. The question I have is for any female in any traditional male roles: How does this benefit men?

It doesn't...... Men can't stay focused ...do you think they can stay focused with a women Rabbi ? and mingling with women during the religious services? ..that's why we're separated for that... it's also why men are supposed to use Tefllin .Women arent required to do that because their heart and mind are always in sync unlike a man who wonder

 

[rosends]

... it's also why men are supposed to use Tefllin .Women arent required to do that because their heart and mind are always in sync unlike a man who wonder

Do you have a source for this?

 

[Jroc]

Do you have a source for this?

Is that news to you? look it up

 

[DennisPTate]

Do you have a source for this?

This might be related to the full answer, but then again I could be wrong?

Thread 'Is the Corpus Callosum much larger in women than in men?'

Dec 1, 2025

I had to dig back to a really old version of Wikipedia to find this because this idea is politically incorrect and will offend some people.

For the past forty years I quite happily told women that they had a larger corpus callosum than I did, [which they found to be kind of funny, until they figured out that this implied that lower expectations of me would be logical]?

I had heard when I was young that we guys got a surge of testosterone while we were in our mothers womb that burned out a significant percentage of our corpus callosum but perhaps that theory was exaggerated?

The...

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[rosends]

Is that new to you? look it up

So you don't have a source. Got it. You might want to check the gemara which doesn't agree with your statement. Please don't try to represent Judaism if you don't know what you are talking about. Thanks.

 

[Jroc]

So you don't have a source. Got it. You might want to check the gemara which doesn't agree with your statement. Please don't try to represent Judaism if you don't know what you are talking about. Thanks.

I asked my Rabbi that very question, and that was the answer he gave me. It makes very good sense , unless of course ,you're a woman with a PhD, trying to make a point ..... Plus there's a Prohibition in the Torah against cross-dressing ...that's exactly what it is women wearing Kippa and prayer shawls and using Tefillin.

 

[rosends]

I asked my Rabbi that very question, and that was the answer he gave me. It makes very good sense , unless of course ,you're a woman with a PhD, trying to make a point ..... Plus there's a Prohibition in the Torah against cross-dressing ...that's exactly what it is women wearing Kippa and prayer shawls and using Tefillin.

No, this is wrong. Maybe learn the actual laws and sources. And just to clarify, I'm a man and an orthodox rabbi. While I have multiple masters, I do not have a PhD. And your background and expertise come from where, exactly?

 

[JGalt]

I tried looking up the definition of a Rabbi, and all I got was a Jewish spiritual leader. Are there some specific credentials or educational degrees that are required? If not, can anyone become a rabbi? Do some rabbis have more influence than others? Who makes this determination?

I ask these questions in the context of Rabbinical Law. It is one thing for Moses to come down from the mountain with stone tablets, but that is quite different from a series of spiritual leaders announcing hundreds of additional religious laws. When did the last ones come into effect? Can new ones still be created? Thank you for your thoughts.

A Rabbi is 5/6ths of a Rabbit.

 

[Jroc]

No, this is wrong. Maybe learn the actual laws and sources. And just to clarify, I'm a man and an orthodox rabbi. While I have multiple masters, I do not have a PhD. And your background and expertise come from where, exactly?

Wow ...who knew? .I always thuoght you were a women. you always came off as a woman to me, the way you try to reason with people who want dead Jews, instead of just mocking them for the evil , clowns, that they are... I don't reason with people who want me dead....

What kind of Orthodox Rabbi are you exactly? My answer was completely logical and there are prohibitions to cross-dressing in the Torah.. if you were a rabbi you'd would know this... You must be modern orthodox or something... Tradition is very important in Judaism

PS ;.. I'm pretty sure you've said that you were married to a Muslim or an Arab....if so and you're a man and married to a Muslim woman your children aren't even Jewish...

 

[rosends]

What kind of Orthodox Rabbi are you exactly?

What kind? Yore yore from a kollel in Brooklyn.

My answer was completely logical

But halachally inaccurate. We don't make up laws and explanations based on our personal sense of what we think is logical.

there are prohibitions to cross-dressing in the Torah.. if you were a rabbi you'd would know this...

The issue of beged ish is not relevant here. The underlying issue is a mitzvat aseh shehazman grama.

You must be modern orthodox or something... Tradition is very important in Judaism

So is learning actual sources.

PS ;.. I'm pretty sure you've said that you were married to a Muslim or an Arab....if so and you're a man and married to a Muslim woman your children aren't even Jewish...

You would be very wrong. I have never said anything of the sort. I have children, and they are halachically Jewish. Again, you are trying to lecture me on points of Jewish law. What is your knowledge base?

 

[Jroc]

What kind? Yore yore from a kollel in Brooklyn.

But halachally inaccurate. We don't make up laws and explanations based on our personal sense of what we think is logical.

The issue of beged ish is not relevant here. The underlying issue is a mitzvat aseh shehazman grama.

So is learning actual sources.

You would be very wrong. I have never said anything of the sort. I have children, and they are halachically Jewish. Again, you are trying to lecture me on points of Jewish law. What is your knowledge base?

My Rabbi is Chabad .We can be anything we want to be on the internet , you were making the point in that piece you posted there was no reason why women can't be Rabbis ,you just can't figure it out. Well I gave you the answer run with it why would you want women to be rabbis anyway? .... You also have this thing where you try to rationalize with the Jew haters who'd, like to see you dead ... Liberalism has no place in the Jewish religion anyways ...it breeds weak people

 

[rosends]

My Rabbi is Chabad .We can be anything we want to be on the internet , you were making the point in that piece you posted there was no reason why women can't be Rabbis ,you just can't figure it out. Well I gave you the answer run with it why would you want women to be rabbis anyway? .... You also have this thing where you try to rationalize with the Jew haters who'd, like to see you dead ... Liberalism has no place in the Jewish religion anyways ...it breeds weak people

Telling me what you think has no place in Judaism is silly. I clearly don't need your second hand erudition.

What I wrote wrestled with the exact question here - what do we mean by rabbi.

 

[Zebra]

You didn't answer the question ? Women cannot be Rabbis because that's not their role, for the reasons , just I listed and a lot more, you don't have to be a Jewish scholar to know that ....so what's to ponder? And was the point?

Women can be Rabbi
I have made a thread about it.
i wonder how members will vote

 

[Meriweather]

but the question can't be answered unless you are clear on what the term is meant to indicate or reflect.

If the question can be avoided by any number of distractions or 'what ifs', it can be answered. A culture/society built, for a specific purpose, a tradition of male rabbis. I am asking how female rabbis effects/benefits males and male rabbinical traditions.

Having female rabbis (or clergy) developed to benefit females, because it is what some females wanted, even demanded. So...how does it benefit males?