What happens when you make people work for food stamps!

[Dovahkiin]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

1.) You're assuming that job growth will somehow end unemployment in particular areas and there is no job growth if people use government assistance.. Literally, this is what you're trying to say. That is absurd and childish. Also, the president's name is "Barack Obama" not "obozo." The economy is doing quite well considering the recession, but I'll be honest, Obama has been a bit to neoliberal for my tastes and hasn't done enough, Dodd Frank is nice and all, hell, obama has spent most of his 8 years making sure to preserve dodd frank/the other modest things he has done. Both parties are liars.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.

And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?

No one cares if you're a truck driver. Anecdotes you cannot back up mean nothing on this board. I prefer things I can verify. You don't know the individual circumstances of individuals, if they have transportation, their debt, if they have to pay child support, etc, etc, etc... I'm sure some people collect food stamps and don't work, but seriously, who cares? I certainly don't. People spend to much time trying to blame the small number of poor people who "abuse" programs then they do look at real issues, such as the neoliberalism that has been ruining america since the 70's..

 

[Maryland Patriot]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

And making me go out to work everyday to help pay for these people to eat isn't cruel?

If you think work requirements are disastrous, then Google Welfare Reform by Newt Gingrich and see what the results were back then. It was very successful.

 

[Dovahkiin]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.

You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center

 

[BlueGin]

Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.

NM just established this same program. And it was about time.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.

And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?

No one cares if you're a truck driver. Anecdotes you cannot back up mean nothing on this board. I prefer things I can verify. You don't know the individual circumstances of individuals, if they have transportation, their debt, if they have to pay child support, etc, etc, etc... I'm sure some people collect food stamps and don't work, but seriously, who cares? I certainly don't. People spend to much time trying to blame the small number of poor people who "abuse" programs then they do look at real issues, such as the neoliberalism that has been ruining america since the 70's..

Who cares? Your children should, your grandchildren should, because currently, we are 19 trillion dollars in debt and growing. WTF do you think all this welfare money comes from anyhow? And no........there is no such thing as Obama Money.

 

[BlueGin]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

That's exactly what it means

 

[Maryland Patriot]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.

You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center

that piece of crap you want to refer to as a president has not done a damn thing other than add to the debt and destroy the countries health care. And if you see anything other than that, you are a liar.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.

NM just established this same program. And it was about time.

This is why we need Republican leadership on the national level.

The liberal solution to poverty is to feed it. The conservative solution to poverty is push people out of it.

 

[Dovahkiin]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

And making me go out to work everyday to help pay for these people to eat isn't cruel?

If you think work requirements are disastrous, then Google Welfare Reform by Newt Gingrich and see what the results were back then. It was very successful.

You pay a tiny percent of your taxes to the food stamps program, and every program has abuse, but we don't need to punish everybody else for it.
I know all about the welfare reform, you want to know what that really did?
Will Hillary Clinton admit that welfare reform was a failure?

The new policy had a number of enormous problems. First, TANF was not indexed to inflation, so its size is nibbled away every year. Second, TANF block-granted money to the states. This was supposedly to allow for lots of experimentation so that best practices could flourish, but as was obvious at the time, conservative states would "experiment" by cannibalizing the program. Third, it has no anti-cyclical mechanism — meaning it does not compensate for economic downturns, when there are more people out of work and needing help.

The problems were masked for awhile during the red-hot economy of the mid to late 1990s, but after that, welfare reform failed utterly. Even after the worst economic crisis in 80 years, TANF has basically ceased to exist in much of the country. Eligibility requirements have gotten so onerous, and benefit levels so miserly, that many poor people haven't even heard of the program, or think it was abolished.

AFDC did have some flaws, no doubt. But it was a modest program that put money into the hands of people who needed it: the very poor, most of them children. In the 15 years after TANF passed, the fraction of Americans living in extreme poverty increased 150 percent. (We should also note that it was argued for on explicitly racist grounds.)

Welfare reform is not just something for browbeating Hillary Clinton. It's a directly relevant issue for millions of the most hard-up Americans. Furthermore, the political context Clinton will face if she is elected president is likely to be almost identical to that of her husband in 1996: a Republican Congress, eager to slash government spending to make budget headroom for tax cuts for the rich. Only this one will be far more conservative than 20 years ago.

And as David Brooks writes, GOP presidential candidate Marco Rubio wants to block-grant basically the entire welfare state. The grotesque failure of TANF might as well be proof of concept for the right — kicking the very poor is basically what they got in the game for.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.

You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center

A President doesn't create jobs--the private sector creates jobs.

All any President can do is make it easier or more difficult for the private sector to create jobs. Now ask yourself, what has DumBama done to make it easier for the private sector to do so? Was it the tax increases on those making over 450K a year? Was it the penalties companies must pay if they don't provide health insurance to their employees? Was it forcing them to spend millions of dollars to provide health insurance? What????

 

[Dovahkiin]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.

You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center

that piece of crap you want to refer to as a president has not done a damn thing other than add to the debt and destroy the countries health care. And if you see anything other than that, you are a liar.

You're a partisan idiot who literally has no idea what you're talking about. You cannot dispute the FACTUAL private sector job growth that has occurred. I DARE YOU to refute what I've shown you. Hey, dipshit, the debt has been getting added to with every single freaking president. You assume the debt is going to kill us or something..
This very much applies today, I urge you to read it:
The Imaginary Debt Crisis

 

[Dovahkiin]

Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.

NM just established this same program. And it was about time.

This is why we need Republican leadership on the national level.

The liberal solution to poverty is to feed it. The conservative solution to poverty is push people out of it.

Republican leadership? Yeah, look where that got us under Bush.. Reagan was a failure, his neoliberalism built on carter's and fucked us all.

 

[BlueGin]

Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.

And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?

Problem is also these people aren't qualified to do anything.

NM has jobs fairs year round for doctors, nurses, technicians, A/P,A/R,auditors,analysts,welders etc...

Yet... can't find qualified applicants with required training or work experience.

 

[Dovahkiin]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.

You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center

A President doesn't create jobs--the private sector creates jobs.

All any President can do is make it easier or more difficult for the private sector to create jobs. Now ask yourself, what has DumBama done to make it easier for the private sector to do so? Was it the tax increases on those making over 450K a year? Was it the penalties companies must pay if they don't provide health insurance to their employees? Was it forcing them to spend millions of dollars to provide health insurance? What????

A president does in fact have the power to encourage employment. Breaking news: The weak stimulus Obama passed did in fact create jobs.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Maine Drops 9000 From Food Stamps After They Refuse To Comply With Work Requirement

Republican Gov. Paul LePage recently began enforcing Maine’s volunteer and work requirements for food stamp SNAP recipients to keep their benefits. The end result was more than 9,000 non-disabled adults getting dropped from the program.

The rules prevent adults who are not disabled and do not have dependents from receiving food stamps for more than three months, unless they work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program, or meet volunteer guidelines for 24 hours out of the month. Any one of those three getting met will not result in the loss of their SNAP food benefits.

Liberals have sold government dependence so deliberately well, that even doing 24 hours of approved volunteer work a month for a capable adult became too much for more than 9,000 people. If it seems like I’m parroting these numbers again and again, you must realize the implications are staggering. Who in their right mind would turn down such a deal? Actually wanting a member of society to be productive in some reasonable way shouldn’t be too hard to meet!

Maine Drops 9000 From Food Stamps After They Refuse To Comply With Work Requirement -

Work doing what?
Republicans helped move millions of jobs to China and close over 40,000 factories under Bush. And Maine is 95% white so you can't blame it on blacks. Republicans gave tax breaks to companies moving to China. How many times have we posted the links.

So what jobs are they supposed to do after Republicans wrecked their jobs?

And how many times do I have to post the FactCheck link showing you that Republicans did not give tax breaks to anybody moving jobs overseas? I know how liberals love to lie, but repeating the same lie over and over again won't make it truth.

That's besides the fact you didn't address the topic. People would rather give up their food stamps than actually have to work for them.

what factcheck link are you referring to?

i think you're probably not on the same page vis a vis the term "tax breaks". the reality is that corporatists have set out to destroy union labor and collective bargaining. they've moved jobs overseas because they can pay a pittance. then they're allowed to move their assets and income to places like the cayman islands where they can evade taxes

i pay taxes. i'll assume you pay taxes. don't you think that exxon/mobil should pay taxes?

and if a corporation, any corporation, doesn't use american labor, shouldn't there be a penalty for that?

1. Exxon Mobil
> Income tax expense: $31.0 billion
> Earnings before taxes: $78.7 billion (the most)
> Revenue: $428.4 billion (2nd most)
> 1-yr. share price change: +14.5%
> Industry: Oil and gas

Exxon Mobil is one of the nation’s largest companies by a number of measures. The oil and gas titan trails only Walmart in revenue and has the highest pre-tax income of any American public company. Not surprisingly, Exxon Mobil also pays more in taxes than any other corporation. In its most recently reported full year, the company’s tax expenses totaled nearly $31 billion. Exxon Mobile’s foreign income totaled more than $67 billion in its most recent fiscal year, which helped boost its effective tax rate to 44% of before-tax income. However, foreign taxes are not the company’s only drain on profits. For much of last year, the company had to contend with diminishing profitability from its refining operations.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Mommy, I'm hungry.

Tough shit kid. I ain't gettin' no job!

If you bothered to read the article, the program only applies to abled bodied adults with no children.

And you assume that jobs are infinite/these "work requirements" actually do something useful.

Well let me tell you, I'm a truck driver and this year alone, we need over 60,000 new drivers that industry can't find. When I go to industrial areas, I see countless sign after sign on companies that are looking for help. Go back three weeks later, the signs are still posted.

So the question is are these programs there for the truly indigent, or are people using them as an option to working?

Problem is also these people aren't qualified to do anything.

NM has jobs fairs year round for doctors, nurses, technicians, A/P,A/R,auditors,analysts,welders etc...

Yet... can't find qualified applicants with required training or work experience.

I agree they're not qualified, after all, they probably can't/couldn't afford higher education..

 

[Obiwan]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.

You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center

Then get off your lazy butt and get one...

As a matter of fact, every warehouse in the area I work has signs out front BEGGING for help, so jobs are out there for people that want them and are willing to work for that pay scale....

And if you're too lazy to work, YOU are the problem, NOT the people that don't want to spend THEIR money to pay YOUR bills!!!!

 

[Dovahkiin]

"Work requirements" are a disastrous policy. First of all, the "programs" meant to help people get jobs who aren't currently employed aren't doing well, at all. In fact, it's absolutely horrific the state these are in right now. You want to force people to get jobs? Great, support state run employment programs, but telling people they have to seek out private employment which may or may not be available or they lose their food stamps.. that's just cruel.

So what happened to all those great jobs Obozo's creating every month????

After all, he says the economy is really booming, and the Libs are constantly on these boards agreeing with him...

Could it be that Democrats are compulsive liars????

he has created thousands of jobs.
In China, in Mexico, in the Middle east.
Just not here, but he has created jobs.

You're a liar if you believe the president hasn't created jobs here.
64 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth | Democratic Policy & Communications Center

Then get off your lazy butt and get one...

As a matter of fact, every warehouse in the area I work has signs out front BEGGING for help, so jobs are out there for people that want them and are willing to work for that pay scale....

And if you're too lazy to work, YOU are the problem, NOT the people that don't want to spend THEIR money to pay YOUR bills!!!!

So you have now shifted the goal posts and want to say I'M lazy and not working, and that jobs are available in OBOZO'S EVIL ECONOMY. What a joke..