Let the voters overturn Citizens United and the Electoral College!

[merrill]

What about this?

Scanlon Introduces Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United Ruling and Return Power to the People

Vote Out The Electoral College as well. EC has become voter suppression.

Let the voters decide through a special vote.........

It would be excellent use of our tax dollars.

 

[pknopp]

Most people don't even understand the C.U. Ruling. It was a rare ruling where the justices went beyond what they were asked to rule on but if you support the Afroman ruling you have to support the main argument of C.U.

Also, there is a zero chance of ending the E.C.

 

[Dorian Mode]

I fervently agree to get Big Money out of politics so the politicians are forced to listen to the people they represent. I am not for abolishing the electoral college because smaller states will lose representation. Come on dumocraps, let's stick up for the little guys, right? However, a lot of the complaints of the electoral college can be rendered moot if we stop trying to create a behemoth central government and return much of the power back to the states. The power should be kept as close as possible to the people it serves. Why concentrate it in DC where they don't give a rat's ass about the rest of the country?

 

[candycorn]

What about this?

Scanlon Introduces Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United Ruling and Return Power to the People

Vote Out The Electoral College as well. EC has become voter suppression.

Let the voters decide through a special vote.........

It would be excellent use of our tax dollars.

A terrible idea.

 

[the watcher]

The electoral college skews results with the winner take all awarding, which is completely at the discretion of each state. If a state has 10 ec votes they usually award all of them to the winner of the popular vote, and you are told California or New York voted for this guy, when actually maybe less than half did. They can divide up the ec votes if they chose, which would be more accurate. That wouldn't require anything from the feds.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What about this?

Scanlon Introduces Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United Ruling and Return Power to the People

Vote Out The Electoral College as well. EC has become voter suppression.

Let the voters decide through a special vote.........

It would be excellent use of our tax dollars.

I got an idea. Let the voters vote to see if the country can finish what General Sherman stopped when he arrived at Savanah Ga.

 

[JGalt]

What about this?

Scanlon Introduces Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United Ruling and Return Power to the People

Vote Out The Electoral College as well. EC has become voter suppression.

Let the voters decide through a special vote.........

It would be excellent use of our tax dollars.

What's the big deal with you leftards and your dread of Citizens United? All they do is publish advertising for conservative political candidates, fer Christ's sake. Are you liberals so weak-minded that a silly conservative PAC could control the way you vote? That doesn't say much about your intelligence, does it? I certainly can't imagine liberal groups like ActBlue or MoveOn.org influencing my vote, that would never ever happen.

 

[SaxonJackson]

I fervently agree to get Big Money out of politics so the politicians are forced to listen to the people they represent. I am not for abolishing the electoral college because smaller states will lose representation. Come on dumocraps, let's stick up for the little guys, right? However, a lot of the complaints of the electoral college can be rendered moot if we stop trying to create a behemoth central government and return much of the power back to the states. The power should be kept as close as possible to the people it serves. Why concentrate it in DC where they don't give a rat's ass about the rest of the country?

Didn't think I'd ever agree with you but I'm a small government, Constitution-minded, "We The People" kind of guy. I despise the power that lobbies have over our elected officials.

But I wonder how many people would agree that if our highest level politicians were not on AIPAC's payroll we would likely not be in a war with Iran?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The electoral college is corrupt.

535 people voting for 330 million people is outdated and stupid.
The popular vote is fine for everyone else in the world.

 

[Hafar1014]

What about this?

Scanlon Introduces Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United Ruling and Return Power to the People

Vote Out The Electoral College as well. EC has become voter suppression.

Let the voters decide through a special vote.........

It would be excellent use of our tax dollars.

I dont want the people who have a mean IQ of 100 or the nut states like NY CA and MInn dominating every election. Its never going to happen because you have to amend the constitution. Good luck with that. Ending the EC is rule by the stupid

 

[SaxonJackson]

The electoral college is corrupt.

535 people voting for 330 million people is outdated and stupid.
The popular vote is fine for everyone else in the world.

We're generally in agreement on most issues but I think the Founding Fathers created the Electoral College for the benefit of all Americans. If we went to just the popular vote in National elections then the folks who populate the biggest cities in America would win every election -- every time -- and the farmers and folks in rural areas would never have a say in the matter.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

We generally in agreement on most issues but I think the Founding Fathers created the Electoral College for the benefit of all Americans.

Sure, the Americans that lived in the 1700's.

If we went to just the popular vote in National elections then the folks who populate the biggest cities in America would win every election -- every time --

They do with the electoral college vote too.
If a candidate wins the popular vote in a state, ALL the votes go to the winner.

and the farmers and folks in rural areas would never have a say in the matter.

If they vote they do.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What about this?

Scanlon Introduces Constitutional Amendment to Overturn Citizens United Ruling and Return Power to the People

Vote Out The Electoral College as well. EC has become voter suppression.

Let the voters decide through a special vote.........

It would be excellent use of our tax dollars.

/----/ Yeah, let left-wing lunatics bankrupt blue states like CA, NY, and IL and run roughshod over the other 47 states. What could possibly go wrong?

California Celebrates Installation Of Single L.A. Trash Can That Cost $400 Billion And Took 18 Years To Build​

 

[Dorian Mode]

Didn't think I'd ever agree with you but I'm a small government, Constitution-minded, "We The People" kind of guy. I despise the power that lobbies have over our elected officials.

But I wonder how many people would agree that if our highest level politicians were not on AIPAC's payroll we would likely not be in a war with Iran?

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There should be no outside money used for political influence whatsoever in American politics. The parties should have to make due with personal contributions and they should be limited to a reasonable amount, say $100/yr. Stuff like PACs have to go, so do lobbyists like AIPAC and all others, including the NRA and the defense industries. Unfortunately the government loves their gravy train and will never go for it. We should just face that fact that the government does not work for the people, it works for the highest bidder. And that includes BOTH parties, right? Can you acknowledge that the dumocrap party is also beyond corrupt?

 

[pknopp]

There should be no outside money used for political influence whatsoever in American politics. The parties should have to make due with personal contributions and they should be limited to a reasonable amount, say $100/yr. Stuff like PACs have to go, so do lobbyists like AIPAC and all others, including the NRA and the defense industries. Unfortunately the government loves their gravy train and will never go for it. We should just face that fact that the government does not work for the people, it works for the highest bidder. And that includes BOTH parties, right? Can you acknowledge that the dumocrap party is also beyond corrupt?

People take this money, vote against what you believe and what happens? They get re-elected.

 

[1srelluc]

Pipe dream thread.

 

[SaxonJackson]

There should be no outside money used for political influence whatsoever in American politics. The parties should have to make due with personal contributions and they should be limited to a reasonable amount, say $100/yr. Stuff like PACs have to go, so do lobbyists like AIPAC and all others, including the NRA and the defense industries. Unfortunately the government loves their gravy train and will never go for it. We should just face that fact that the government does not work for the people, it works for the highest bidder. And that includes BOTH parties, right? Can you acknowledge that the dumocrap party is also beyond corrupt?

Again ... almost full agreement. But I don't believe we're in a two Party system anymore. We're under a single Party system that pretends to be at each other's throats on low level matters but seem to agree with each other on the really big issues. But yes, the one Party system is 100% corrupt.

The only Party I support and agree with is the Constitution Party:

Constitution Party Home - Constitution Party

democrats to the left … republicans to the right … why not stand with the truth? america doesn’t need More conservatives. More liberals. america needs More people committed to its founding principles. america has a better way. It’s called the Constitution. the constitution of the united states...

constitutionparty.com

 

[SaxonJackson]

Here's a general, A.I. generated definition of the Electoral College. Although I see the loopholes and weaknesses of this system I still feel that it's the best mankind can come up with. It offers a balance between rich, powerful, and highly populated States like California and less populated States like Wyoming or Rhode Island. A true Democracy is 5 Wolves and 1 Rabbit voting on what's for dinner.


The Electoral College was established to balance the influence of populous states with less populous ones in presidential elections, ensuring that all states have a voice in the selection of the president. It also serves as a compromise between direct popular voting and election by Congress, allowing electors to represent the will of their state's voters.

Purpose of the Electoral College​

The Electoral College was established as a compromise in the U.S. Constitution to balance the election of the President between Congress and the popular vote. Here are the main purposes:

Historical Context​

• Compromise Between Methods: It was created to address concerns about direct popular elections and the potential for Congress to dominate the selection process.
• Empower Smaller States: The system ensures that smaller states have a voice in presidential elections, preventing larger states from overshadowing them.

Functionality​

• Selection of Electors: Each state appoints electors based on its congressional representation (Senators + Representatives). This totals 538 electors, with a majority of 270 needed to win the presidency.
• Indirect Election: Voters in each state cast ballots for electors pledged to their chosen candidate, rather than voting directly for the President.

Modern Implications​

• Focus on Swing States: Candidates often concentrate their campaigns on swing states, where electoral votes can be won or lost, rather than on states with predictable outcomes.
• Potential for Discrepancy: The system allows for the possibility that a candidate can win the presidency without winning the nationwide popular vote, as seen in several past elections.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

What's the big deal with you leftards and your dread of Citizens United? All they do is publish advertising for conservative political candidates, fer Christ's sake. Are you liberals so weak-minded that a silly conservative PAC could control the way you vote? That doesn't say much about your intelligence, does it? I certainly can't imagine liberal groups like ActBlue or MoveOn.org influencing my vote, that would never ever happen.

Intelligence scale for democrats

 

[Cellblock2429]

Here's a general, A.I. generated definition of the Electoral College. Although I see the loopholes and weaknesses of this system I still feel that it's the best mankind can come up with. It offers a balance between rich, powerful, and highly populated States like California and less populated States like Wyoming or Rhode Island. A true Democracy is 5 Wolves and 1 Rabbit voting on what's for dinner.


The Electoral College was established to balance the influence of populous states with less populous ones in presidential elections, ensuring that all states have a voice in the selection of the president. It also serves as a compromise between direct popular voting and election by Congress, allowing electors to represent the will of their state's voters.

Purpose of the Electoral College​

The Electoral College was established as a compromise in the U.S. Constitution to balance the election of the President between Congress and the popular vote. Here are the main purposes:

Historical Context​

• Compromise Between Methods: It was created to address concerns about direct popular elections and the potential for Congress to dominate the selection process.
• Empower Smaller States: The system ensures that smaller states have a voice in presidential elections, preventing larger states from overshadowing them.

Functionality​

• Selection of Electors: Each state appoints electors based on its congressional representation (Senators + Representatives). This totals 538 electors, with a majority of 270 needed to win the presidency.
• Indirect Election: Voters in each state cast ballots for electors pledged to their chosen candidate, rather than voting directly for the President.

Modern Implications​

• Focus on Swing States: Candidates often concentrate their campaigns on swing states, where electoral votes can be won or lost, rather than on states with predictable outcomes.
• Potential for Discrepancy: The system allows for the possibility that a candidate can win the presidency without winning the nationwide popular vote, as seen in several past elections.

/——-/ Winning the popular vote is irrelevant. It’s like saying the team with the most runs wins the World Series when in fact it’s the team that wins the most games out of seven.