What Does Obama Mean By A Social Compact?

[jillian]

"the social compact" goes back to jean jacques rousseau and is considered the basis for the right to govern since the beginning of political philosophy.

but i'm really glad the wackos are reading the rightwingnut blogosphere.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Well Social Contract meaning SS and Medicare, programs we pay into, sounds real good but I don't think thats all that OL'BO has in mind.

I believe he includes all those who aren't working, for whatever reason, in that scenario.

In other words the producers should be taking care of the takers.

The takers have no problem taking anything they can get. They could care less who provides the money as long as its there for the taking. They don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves and their needs.

AGREED!!!!!!

The time for implementing means-testing is....

...LONG-OVERDUE!!!!

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[woodjack]

hmm During the speech about social compact, he kept saying his vision of America.....what is his vision?...there lays the answer to what he actually means about social compact. Just lose the rhetoric and speak plainly what his visions are.....looking at all his programs he has implemented and is trying to implement it becomes what the poster said, but he never speaks plainly......read between the lines people.

This is not the middlle ages there is no peasant class....you work hard and take chances to get better....Free education, food stamps, welfare, wic, pell grants, minority clauses, low income housing, now health care with a host of other damn programs.............what more do the poor want? use the programs to get better that are in place....making more programs when people do not even use the programs that are out there (the ones they have to work for) and it is all pointless......he is buying your damn vote......All ya got is teabaggers you guys owe us all your money......sorry get a life...and grow a brain. Perhaps you should had used your free educaion to learn and grow, instead of drop out and raise your fists to the sky blaming everyone but your own damn selves.

 

[mudwhistle]

"the social compact" goes back to jean jacques rousseau and is considered the basis for the right to govern since the beginning of political philosophy.

but i'm really glad the wackos are reading the rightwingnut blogosphere.

Yes, it's an old idea.

But being old doesn't mean it's right for us....at least not from the minds of Communists and Domestic Terrorists.

"All great wealth is based in great theft."..........."The Pentagon is a terrorist entity." - William Ayers

 

[Skull Pilot]

The only sure things are debt and taxes.

 

[konradv]

Social Compact

— n
(in the theories of Locke, Hobbes, Rousseau, and others) an agreement, entered into by individuals, that results in the formation of the state or of organized society, the prime motive being the desire for protection, which entails the surrender of some or all personal liberties

Obama fiscal policy: Tax the rich - preserve social compact

Wednesday, appearing at George Washington University, President Barack Obama gave a major policy speech on the budget, and in so doing offered a vision of America's future Democrats can support. In short, Obama promised to tax the rich, and preserve the social compact.

Obama presented a vision that is in stark contrast to a vision advocated by Republicans. Republicans would slash entitlement programs serving the least fortunate while giving a tax cut to the most wealthy.
Obama was clear. The Republican vision of special favors and tax breaks for the rich and powerful, paid for by the poor and powerless, would not be tolerated. The wealthy would not be serviced at the expense of seniors and children, health and education.
Obama was direct and forthright. Obama promised the Bush era tax cuts would not be extended. Obama promised he would not allow Medicare to be turned into a voucher program. Obama promised to preserve the social compact.
Obama fiscal policy: Tax the rich - preserve social compact - National Democrat | Examiner.com

Okay, what does he mean by Social Compact?

Does he mean you have to give up your freedoms to survive? Does he want to take care of us but we must give him our freedoms in return?

Why would a Marxist/Socialist choose this phrase?

The meaning is clear to me, but is it to you?

Don't know about the Marxist/Socialist stuff, but the word was good enough for the people on the Mayflower. I think I'll go with what they meant by it. The meaning may be clear to you, but that doesn't mean it's right.

 

[Bfgrn]

Okay, what does he mean by Social Compact?

Does he mean you have to give up your freedoms to survive? Does he want to take care of us but we must give him our freedoms in return?

Why would a Marxist/Socialist choose this phrase?

The meaning is clear to me, but is it to you?

Yes, it is very clear to me. You have a right wing brain. It is totally controlled by fear and words. Those words create monsters in your tiny little mind.

A social compact or a social contract would be a proper description of programs like SOCIAL Security and Medicare. The people pay into the program, and in return, they receive SOCIAL programs.

The meaning is clear to me, but is it to you? Or is it a CONSPIRACY?

Well Social Contract meaning SS and Medicare, programs we pay into, sounds real good but I don't think thats all that OL'BO has in mind.

I believe he includes all those who aren't working, for whatever reason, in that scenario.

In other words the producers should be taking care of the takers.

The takers have no problem taking anything they can get. They could care less who provides the money as long as its there for the taking. They don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves and their needs. Of course don't hold your breath for them to take care of themselves. Ain't gonna happen. After all we have a Govt that has no problem shoveling money their way. Of course its earned by the producers but what the hey.

I believe Ol'BO said "Spread the wealth" did he not. Yours, mine and ours?? Social Compact. Yep.

All those who are not working 'for whatever reason'??? You mean people who lost their JOB for the reason that Wall Street and bankers, with the help of Republicans were able to make taking people's hard earn money and turning it a windfall only for THEM lawful? You mean the 'lazy' people looking for a new JOB in a market where there is one job for every five unemployed? I guess they were too lazy to fix the economy after they got home from work every day?

Hey, those 'producers' you slobber over...WHERE are the ******* jobs? I guess 10 years of the Bush tax cuts is not long enough?

 

[mudwhistle]

Social Compact

— n
(in the theories of Locke, Hobbes, Rousseau, and others) an agreement, entered into by individuals, that results in the formation of the state or of organized society, the prime motive being the desire for protection, which entails the surrender of some or all personal liberties

Obama fiscal policy: Tax the rich - preserve social compact

Wednesday, appearing at George Washington University, President Barack Obama gave a major policy speech on the budget, and in so doing offered a vision of America's future Democrats can support. In short, Obama promised to tax the rich, and preserve the social compact.

Obama presented a vision that is in stark contrast to a vision advocated by Republicans. Republicans would slash entitlement programs serving the least fortunate while giving a tax cut to the most wealthy.
Obama was clear. The Republican vision of special favors and tax breaks for the rich and powerful, paid for by the poor and powerless, would not be tolerated. The wealthy would not be serviced at the expense of seniors and children, health and education.
Obama was direct and forthright. Obama promised the Bush era tax cuts would not be extended. Obama promised he would not allow Medicare to be turned into a voucher program. Obama promised to preserve the social compact.
Obama fiscal policy: Tax the rich - preserve social compact - National Democrat | Examiner.com

Okay, what does he mean by Social Compact?

Does he mean you have to give up your freedoms to survive? Does he want to take care of us but we must give him our freedoms in return?

Why would a Marxist/Socialist choose this phrase?

The meaning is clear to me, but is it to you?

Don't know about the Marxist/Socialist stuff, but the word was good enough for the people on the Mayflower. I think I'll go with what they meant by it. The meaning may be clear to you, but that doesn't mean it's right.

You see Obama is very clever. He can openly say something that if you take everything into consideration is frightful, but there's always an avenue for plausible-deniability.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

hmm During the speech about social compact, he kept saying his vision of america.....what is his vision?...there lays the answer to what he actually means about social compact. Just lose the rhetoric and speak plainly what his visions are.....lookig at all his programs he has implemented and is trying to implement it becomes what the poster said. but he never speaks plainly......

There was never any promise that this Presidency would be more o' the same Bush/frat-boy mentality.....that it would appeal-to (or, make-sense to) the least-common-denominator....the least politically-sophisticated....the least-educated....the folks who are more-than-happy to turn-over all decision-making to someone else (like their clerics).....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDgRr_Ynvc]YouTube - Right America Feeling Wronged pt1[/ame]

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We HAD a plain-speaker.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slOWroJlmbs]YouTube - decider[/ame]

....and, he turned-out to be a total ****-up.

Satisfying you Teabaggers is a losing-proposition.​

 

[editec]

I mean seriously...

How does one have a rational discussion on issues of the day with somebody who doesn't really understand the concept of social contract or social compacts?

My conclusion is that thick skin of misinformation some of you folks have is impenetrable by facts or logic.

This thread is a prefect example of ignorance that is so dense that it's impossible to even have a rational discussion about the subject.

EVERY society is a social contract.

They may be good or bad, they might be a workers pardise or a perfectly run corporative fascist land where all the trains run on time, but in every case a society has some kind of compact that makes it possible to exist.

God read book and stop listening to talking heads on TV whose only mission to to message your precious egos and mislead you with a load of nonsense, half truthes and outright LIES.

 

[konradv]

Okay, what does he mean by Social Compact?

Does he mean you have to give up your freedoms to survive? Does he want to take care of us but we must give him our freedoms in return?

Why would a Marxist/Socialist choose this phrase?

The meaning is clear to me, but is it to you?

Don't know about the Marxist/Socialist stuff, but the word was good enough for the people on the Mayflower. I think I'll go with what they meant by it. The meaning may be clear to you, but that doesn't mean it's right.

You see Obama is very clever. He can openly say something that if you take everything into consideration is frightful, but there's always an avenue for plausible-deniability.

You forgot the other possibility! You're paranoid.

 

[Claudette]

Yes, it is very clear to me. You have a right wing brain. It is totally controlled by fear and words. Those words create monsters in your tiny little mind.

A social compact or a social contract would be a proper description of programs like SOCIAL Security and Medicare. The people pay into the program, and in return, they receive SOCIAL programs.

The meaning is clear to me, but is it to you? Or is it a CONSPIRACY?

Well Social Contract meaning SS and Medicare, programs we pay into, sounds real good but I don't think thats all that OL'BO has in mind.

I believe he includes all those who aren't working, for whatever reason, in that scenario.

In other words the producers should be taking care of the takers.

The takers have no problem taking anything they can get. They could care less who provides the money as long as its there for the taking. They don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves and their needs. Of course don't hold your breath for them to take care of themselves. Ain't gonna happen. After all we have a Govt that has no problem shoveling money their way. Of course its earned by the producers but what the hey.

I believe Ol'BO said "Spread the wealth" did he not. Yours, mine and ours?? Social Contract. Yep.

Social Compact, not contract.

It means giving up some or all of your freedoms to get security in return.

Btw, You assume a stereotype. That all wealth is gained by theft. Some if not most is derived from providing a service.

Hey man. Thanks for the claification on the compact. I saw part of this on O'Reilly last night. Too bad I didn't catch the whole thing. As fpr giving up freedoms?? It woudl take a hell of a lot for me to give up mine.


I agree that most wealth is earned by good folks who work every day.

Of course we also have those who produce and provide nothing. They take anything they can get via Govt Social programs. They have no incentive to to anyting else. The Takers.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Well Social Contract meaning SS and Medicare, programs we pay into, sounds real good but I don't think thats all that OL'BO has in mind.

I believe he includes all those who aren't working, for whatever reason, in that scenario.

In other words the producers should be taking care of the takers.

The takers have no problem taking anything they can get. They could care less who provides the money as long as its there for the taking. They don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves and their needs. Of course don't hold your breath for them to take care of themselves. Ain't gonna happen. After all we have a Govt that has no problem shoveling money their way. Of course its earned by the producers but what the hey.

I believe Ol'BO said "Spread the wealth" did he not. Yours, mine and ours?? Social Contract. Yep.

Social Compact, not contract.

It means giving up some or all of your freedoms to get security in return.

Btw, You assume a stereotype. That all wealth is gained by theft. Some if not most is derived from providing a service.

Hey man. Thanks for the claification on the compact. I saw part of this on O'Reilly last night. Too bad I didn't catch the whole thing. As fpr giving up freedoms?? It woudl take a hell of a lot for me to give up mine.


I agree that most wealth is earned by good folks who work every day.

Of course we also have those who produce and provide nothing. They take anything they can get via Govt Social programs. They have no incentive to to anyting else. The Takers.

Yeah....we know....

....the useless parasites.

We've seen you folks, before......

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT0UYLyWJto]YouTube - THE THIRD REICH - The Rise Part 1 of 7[/ame]​

 

[Claudette]

Your so full of shit.

 

[boedicca]

Okay, what does he mean by Social Compact?

He means abandoning the Rule of Law in favor of the power of Elite Unelected Groups of Intellectual Bureaucrats who Know Better and can decide what is (in their opinion/ultimate wisdom) the best optimization of the Social Compact.

It's a fancy way of saying, we're devolving back to Autocracy and Thuggery, the normal condition of human kind for millenia.

 

[8537]

I saw part of this on O'Reilly last night. Too bad I didn't catch the whole thing.

Ah, so it was ol' Mr. Luftah that whacked the low-IQ hornet's nest.

 

[Marie888]

I don't care what they call it, social contract, social compact, or social cheeseburgers - redistribution of wealth is not what our country is supposed to be about. Stealing from the rich to help the poor, does not make it morally right. Yes helping the poor is good. But if people want to give, that's their liberty and should come from their heart. And believe me, I'm not rich in the class of "worldly" terms, I don't even own a home.

Quote Thomas Jefferson, (who primarily wrote the Declaration)

To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father's has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association -- the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.

.

 

[mudwhistle]

Don't know about the Marxist/Socialist stuff, but the word was good enough for the people on the Mayflower. I think I'll go with what they meant by it. The meaning may be clear to you, but that doesn't mean it's right.

You see Obama is very clever. He can openly say something that if you take everything into consideration is frightful, but there's always an avenue for plausible-deniability.

You forgot the other possibility! You're paranoid.

It's possible, but not probable.

 

[mudwhistle]

Well Social Contract meaning SS and Medicare, programs we pay into, sounds real good but I don't think thats all that OL'BO has in mind.

I believe he includes all those who aren't working, for whatever reason, in that scenario.

In other words the producers should be taking care of the takers.

The takers have no problem taking anything they can get. They could care less who provides the money as long as its there for the taking. They don't give a rats ass about anyone but themselves and their needs. Of course don't hold your breath for them to take care of themselves. Ain't gonna happen. After all we have a Govt that has no problem shoveling money their way. Of course its earned by the producers but what the hey.

I believe Ol'BO said "Spread the wealth" did he not. Yours, mine and ours?? Social Contract. Yep.

Social Compact, not contract.

It means giving up some or all of your freedoms to get security in return.

Btw, You assume a stereotype. That all wealth is gained by theft. Some if not most is derived from providing a service.

Hey man. Thanks for the claification on the compact. I saw part of this on O'Reilly last night. Too bad I didn't catch the whole thing. As fpr giving up freedoms?? It woudl take a hell of a lot for me to give up mine.


I agree that most wealth is earned by good folks who work every day.

Of course we also have those who produce and provide nothing. They take anything they can get via Govt Social programs. They have no incentive to to anyting else. The Takers.

Class-warfare only works if you make blanket accusations.

 

[mudwhistle]

I saw part of this on O'Reilly last night. Too bad I didn't catch the whole thing.

Ah, so it was ol' Mr. Luftah that whacked the low-IQ hornet's nest.

You must be thinking of Shaman