Zone1 What do you think of Jewish Christians or Messianic Jews?

[Mortimer]

I receive Emails with informations and reading materials about Israel and Jesus from a Jewish Perspective.

I wonder what you think about them? Are they Jews, are they not Jews?

THE LAW VS. GRACE In the mind of the author of this Gospel, the Law/Torah was something very good. The reason for this was his Israelite heritage, entrusted to his people Israel by her God and nurtured, treasured and protected for centuries by his people - Israel. If one ignores the negative reading and instead interprets the phrase (vs. 17) positively – “The Law came through Moses; (and) grace and truth comes through Jesus Christ” - then the text will begin to flow organically. In this case, it will be connected with the previous confession by the Gospel’s author that grace was given in addition to the grace already provided. (16“For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.”) Perhaps a translation that can help us get rid of this inbred dichotomy would go like this: “For the Torah was given through Moses and grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” The moment we see that Greek Nomos (νόμος) does not need to be translated as “law,” or could be translated as Law only in the sense of the Torah of Moses, then more interpretive options become available. EXPLORE HERE “A genuine apologetic is one that is true to the texts and the history, akin to the speeches of a defense attorney with integrity.” (Daniel Boyarin, Hermann P. and Sophia Taubman Professor of Talmudic Culture, University of California, Berkeley)​

 

[Mortimer]

You are My Flock—God's Gift of Belonging

Shabbat Word from Pastor Israel Pochtar {If you prefer to read this update in a browser click here.}         In the New Testament Yeshua confirmed it when He said: “I am the Good Shepherd…”

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[Sixties Fan]

I receive Emails with informations and reading materials about Israel and Jesus from a Jewish Perspective.

I wonder what you think about them? Are they Jews, are they not Jews?

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THE LAW VS. GRACE In the mind of the author of this Gospel, the Law/Torah was something very good. The reason for this was his Israelite heritage, entrusted to his people Israel by her God and nurtured, treasured and protected for centuries by his people - Israel. If one ignores the negative reading and instead interprets the phrase (vs. 17) positively – “The Law came through Moses; (and) grace and truth comes through Jesus Christ” - then the text will begin to flow organically. In this case, it will be connected with the previous confession by the Gospel’s author that grace was given in addition to the grace already provided. (16“For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.”) Perhaps a translation that can help us get rid of this inbred dichotomy would go like this: “For the Torah was given through Moses and grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” The moment we see that Greek Nomos (νόμος) does not need to be translated as “law,” or could be translated as Law only in the sense of the Torah of Moses, then more interpretive options become available. ​ ​ ​ EXPLORE HERE “A genuine apologetic is one that is true to the texts and the history, akin to the speeches of a defense attorney with integrity.” (Daniel Boyarin, Hermann P. and Sophia Taubman Professor of Talmudic Culture, University of California, Berkeley)

That is a Christian perspective. It is an attempt to make Jews accept Jesus as the Messiah.

It is no different from Jews for Jesus, started by a Jew who converted to Christianity, became a Minister and started that organization.

Either it is the same organization or a different one, but the intent is the same. To attract Jews to Christianity, by keeping a Jewish facade.


One is either Jewish or Christian. They are two different religions, beliefs.

 

[ding]

That is a Christian perspective. It is an attempt to make Jews accept Jesus as the Messiah.

It is no different from Jews for Jesus, started by a Jew who converted to Christianity, became a Minister and started that organization.

Either it is the same organization or a different one, but the intent is the same. To attract Jews to Christianity, by keeping a Jewish facade.


One is either Jewish or Christian. They are two different religions, beliefs.

Technically Christianity is a sect of Judaism.

 

[Meriweather]

One is either Jewish or Christian. They are two different religions, beliefs.

I agree. As long as one faith sincerely believes Jesus is One with God and the other faith believes Jesus is human only, they will continue to be two different religions.

Jesus said numerous times he was not the Messiah the Jews were expecting--i.e. a human ruler who would make Israel a great nation all other nations would look to and emulate. Messiah means 'anointed' and even though he was not anointed to be the great earthly king Jews are expecting, he was anointed to proclaim a New Covenant to the people of God.

His announcements was that Sins are forgiven/repentance for the forgiveness of sins and that they therefore were not, in God's eyes, a sinful people, but a redeemed people. Jesus' own blood was the sign of this Covenant, as all previous also used blood as a sign of a Covenant with God.

 

[MarcATL]

Like the Pharisees and Sadducees, majority of today's practicing Jews are still awaiting their warrior King.

They'll learn in time.