Zone1 To Those Who Have Ears - LET THEM HEAR! Knock and It Will Be Given To You - The REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST HAS BEEN FULFILLED.

[Cougarbear]

Do you believe that taking vows of poverty, while focusing on even more advanced education and be instructed to live lives as Jesus led on Earth - being selfless, helping the poor, teaching a ministry with a focus on Jesus and his core values/teachings is "strange"?

The Jesuits and Franciscans are among the two most respected and revered orders of the Church. If you go to mass on Sunday and you hear that a Jesuit Priest will be saying the mass and homily, a tenured Catholic would know to pay attention - because they have the knowledge - and the wisdom they have is truthful - it manifests itself by the lives they live. They are the "real deal".

Peter and the Apostles received their education from "the source itself" - they lived it, breathed it and went through it - Jesus' ministry is as much a part of them as it was his own. But even the original Apostles themselves - in early times - Specifically Peter and Paul had disagreements over who to minister to, how to minister, the Law/Prophets - how they relate to Christianity - and even over (what is still disputed today among Christians) being"saved by grace" with or without "works".

Now imagine establishing a worldwide church, in Roman times - after being persecuted for the previous 100 - 300 years by the same Romans you are now establishing the Church for. Strict guidelines in regards to teachings, order, education, and so forth had to have been established - and to this day the Catholic Church is one of the few Churches of the world that a person attending mass in Boston hears the same readings and Gospel as a person attending church in Japan or Italy or Lebanon, etc.

You answered nothing. The two priesthoods established are Melchizedek and Aaronic. That doesn’t mean the people trapped in fake priesthoods are evil people. As with any Church, there are good and evil people as all have the choice of good and evil. This post of yours doesn’t begin to understand faith and authority. While it’s great to study the scriptures, leadership is based on faith and who God chooses for leadership and the priesthood. It’s not based on forcing men it to marry. It’s not based on who many years you go to some school. The priesthood and authority to use it is solely based on the principles of righteousness.

 

[surada]

You answered nothing. The two priesthoods established are Melchizedek and Aaronic. That doesn’t mean the people trapped in fake priesthoods are evil people. As with any Church, there are good and evil people as all have the choice of good and evil. This post of yours doesn’t begin to understand faith and authority. While it’s great to study the scriptures, leadership is based on faith and who God chooses for leadership and the priesthood. It’s not based on forcing men it to marry. It’s not based on who many years you go to some school. The priesthood and authority to use it is solely based on the principles of righteousness.

Your righteousness won't save you. That's just arrogance.

“there is none righteous, no, not one” ( Romans 3:10).

 

[Cougarbear]

Your righteousness won't save you. That's just arrogance.

“there is none righteous, no, not one” ( Romans 3:10).

So, you never do anything right? I won’t argue that point. Such ignorance.

 

[surada]

So, you never do anything right? I won’t argue that point. Such ignorance.

Romans 3:10 is from the Bible.

 

[Ace Nova]

You answered nothing. The two priesthoods established are Melchizedek and Aaronic. That doesn’t mean the people trapped in fake priesthoods are evil people. As with any Church, there are good and evil people as all have the choice of good and evil. This post of yours doesn’t begin to understand faith and authority. While it’s great to study the scriptures, leadership is based on faith and who God chooses for leadership and the priesthood. It’s not based on forcing men it to marry. It’s not based on who many years you go to some school. The priesthood and authority to use it is solely based on the principles of righteousness.

I can assure you the vast majority of priests, monks, Nuns and lay people (people who lay their lives down for Christ) within the Catholic Church are righteous - there is no bigger sacrifice a person can make. Only God knows what is in a person's heart so neither you nor I nor anyone else should judge "what is" or "what is not" a "real priesthood".

Jesus Christ never claimed to be of the order of Melchizedek. Whether it was something he knew inside but did not want to express or he did not feel was relevant to his ministry - we may not know. But if you understand how and what Jesus taught, you would understand that he deplored "self proclaimed"people that considered themselves "higher" than others called by God - whether they were High Priests, people claiming to be prophets, etc. It was not until after Jesus' death and resurrection - when he became the Christ to many - that it was revealed that he was of the order of Melchizadek in the book of Hebrews - and as Catholics understand it - Jesus would fulfill the order "once and for all" with his "fulfillment of the Law" and with that, he would be a "priest of the order for ever more" - meaning that those ordained with the Spirit of Christ in the priesthood would also be of the order of Melchizadek but through Christ.

I tend to believe that God with Christ and the Holy Spirit are present and have been present within the Catholic Church for close to 2000 years. Had this issue been some sort of inflammatory and blasphemous act done by the Church, God would not have allowed his Spirit to be a part of it.

 

[dudmuck]

Romans 3:10 is from the Bible.

this the first of several quotations from the OT. The last quote is 3:18.
This is all in the context of judgement of the jews for their unfaithfulness, but more importantly the advantage the jews had over the gentiles was moot because they are both equally unrighteous.

 

[Cougarbear]

I can assure you the vast majority of priests, monks, Nuns and lay people (people who lay their lives down for Christ) within the Catholic Church are righteous - there is no bigger sacrifice a person can make. Only God knows what is in a person's heart so neither you nor I nor anyone else should judge "what is" or "what is not" a "real priesthood".

Jesus Christ never claimed to be of the order of Melchizedek. Whether it was something he knew inside but did not want to express or he did not feel was relevant to his ministry - we may not know. But if you understand how and what Jesus taught, you would understand that he deplored "self proclaimed"people that considered themselves "higher" than others called by God - whether they were High Priests, people claiming to be prophets, etc. It was not until after Jesus' death and resurrection - when he became the Christ to many - that it was revealed that he was of the order of Melchizadek in the book of Hebrews - and as Catholics understand it - Jesus would fulfill the order "once and for all" with his "fulfillment of the Law" and with that, he would be a "priest of the order for ever more" - meaning that those ordained with the Spirit of Christ in the priesthood would also be of the order of Melchizadek but through Christ.

I tend to believe that God with Christ and the Holy Spirit are present and have been present within the Catholic Church for close to 2000 years. Had this issue been some sort of inflammatory and blasphemous act done by the Church, God would not have allowed his Spirit to be a part of it.

You don’t have to judge what is truth when you ask God with real intent and with no double mind. The Hoy Ghost is the one who testifies truth. Not if a Church is old or not. The fact is, if the priesthood of the Catholic Church was led by the Holy Ghost they would still have the orders of the priesthood Melchizedek and Aaronic. As Paul taught, there would be an apostasy. There was a big one.

You need to study more. The Melchizedek priesthood is the Priesthood after the Son of God. Of course Jesus held the Priesthood. The Priesthood is the authority and power of the Father in which Christ organizes our universe.

 

[Ace Nova]

You don’t have to judge what is truth when you ask God with real intent and with no double mind. The Hoy Ghost is the one who testifies truth. Not if a Church is old or not. The fact is, if the priesthood of the Catholic Church was led by the Holy Ghost they would still have the orders of the priesthood Melchizedek and Aaronic. As Paul taught, there would be an apostasy. There was a big one.

You need to study more. The Melchizedek priesthood is the Priesthood after the Son of God. Of course Jesus held the Priesthood. The Priesthood is the authority and power of the Father in which Christ organizes our universe.

As a "high priest" in the order of Melchizadek, do you "organize the universe? Can you forgive sins? Can you heal the sick? Can you make the blind see?

How about prophecy? Has God revealed "mysteries" of Christianity to you?

 

[Cougarbear]

As a "high priest" in the order of Melchizadek, do you "organize the universe? Can you forgive sins? Can you heal the sick? Can you make the blind see?

How about prophecy? Has God revealed "mysteries" of Christianity to you?

We could do all that. Not all in this world. But we do give priesthood blessings for healing the sick and afflicted, blessings of comfort, father blessings to their children. The apostles were given the priesthood authority to heal the sick and afflicted through the priesthood they were given. To be clear, it’s God’s Priesthood that heals. This means that the priesthood cannot be misused. If the priesthood holder misuses the priesthood then it will be taken from him.
Doctrine and Covenants 121:37 “That they may be conferred upon us (the two priesthood’s), it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.”

Prophecy can be a priesthood tool but mostly prophecy is given for those who lead. This includes fathers and mothers praying for guidance for their families. Mostly prophets hold one of the two priesthoods.

 

[Ace Nova]

Conclusion Part 2:

To summarize:

In regards to "End Times" prophesies:

Matthew 36:

"The Day and Hour Unknown. “As for the exact day and hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

In regards to the Book of Revelation:

Was it written in regards to events of that time period? In my opinion, yes.

Could events happen on a larger scale -- from a macro perspective? In my opinion, yes. This could mean certain events could happen on a larger scale and on a spiritual level.

Remember - "We must love God with all our hearts, all our minds and all our souls and all our strength."

When reading the book of Revelation, this is crucial in understanding:

Revelation could have been about the physical world at the time - events occurring during that time period. (Heart/Mind)

Revelation could be about a person "overcoming the trials of the physical world and attaining an awakening" - (Mind)

Revelation could also be about time and heavenly events which occur in a "timeless" state - essentially making the book "eternal". (Soul)
In order to understand - we need patience, endurance and most of all faith with all our hearts, minds and souls (Strength)

To be clear: These posts were done as a "Bible study" - in an attempt to better understand the writings within the book. They are my interpretation and opinions and are not to be taken as "scripture". I did my best to quote and reference the texts I was referring to - never "adding or subtracting" from a quoted text - only studying and interpreting them. I invite open dialogue, including questions, comments or concerns.

As far as Revelation and "End times" - I will quote Matthew 36 once again:

"The Day and Hour Unknown. “As for the exact day and hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

 

[surada]

So did he come and coffee with you as he gave you this revelation?

Revelation is a letter to the 7 Churches about events in the first century. John Nelson Darby invented the rapture and the futuristic version of revelation in 1830.

 

[surada]

We could do all that. Not all in this world. But we do give priesthood blessings for healing the sick and afflicted, blessings of comfort, father blessings to their children. The apostles were given the priesthood authority to heal the sick and afflicted through the priesthood they were given. To be clear, it’s God’s Priesthood that heals. This means that the priesthood cannot be misused. If the priesthood holder misuses the priesthood then it will be taken from him.
Doctrine and Covenants 121:37 “That they may be conferred upon us (the two priesthood’s), it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.”

Prophecy can be a priesthood tool but mostly prophecy is given for those who lead. This includes fathers and mothers praying for guidance for their families. Mostly prophets hold one of the two priesthoods.

Most prophecy was written after the fact. That's why scripture was redacted and rewritten periodically.

They were astute observers , but not fortunetellers.

 

[Cougarbear]

Most prophecy was written after the fact. That's why scripture was redacted and rewritten periodically.

They were astute observers , but not fortunetellers.

Prophets, seers and revelators. All three. Yes, they look at the past and destruction. They are then given visions for the young prophets and dreams for the older prophets, seers and revelators. You are a non-astute observer. Too bad.

 

[surada]

Prophets, seers and revelators. All three. Yes, they look at the past and destruction. They are then given visions for the young prophets and dreams for the older prophets, seers and revelators. You are a non-astute observer. Too bad.

Nope they couldn't predict the future. However, they were the conscience of the community.

 

[Cougarbear]

Nope they couldn't predict the future. However, they were the conscience of the community.

But they did. They have even seen our days and unbelievers like yourself who usurp the authority and power of God.

 

[surada]

But they did. They have even seen our days and unbelievers like yourself who usurp the authority and power of God.

That's why scripture was redacted and amended. Christians even tried to rewrite Hosea, Isaiah...

 

[Cougarbear]

That's why scripture was redacted and amended. Christians even tried to rewrite Hosea, Isaiah...

There were things lost and through translation and lost. But, nothing major and the OT leads to the NT and the Son of God in all his glory. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ and it confirms the seers and revelation of our days as well as OT prophets say the coming of the Lord. It’s your false scholars that have redacted the truth.

 

[kjw47]

But they did. They have even seen our days and unbelievers like yourself who usurp the authority and power of God.

YHVH(Jehovah) is the only true God--Isaiah 44:6--I am YHVH(Jehovah) beside ME( not we) there is no other God.

 

[Cougarbear]

YHVH(Jehovah) is the only true God--Isaiah 44:6--I am YHVH(Jehovah) beside ME( not we) there is no other God.

Yep, he's the only true God that we deal with because he is our Lord and Savior. Took away our sins with his Atonement and gave us the path to eternal life in the resurrection of the repentant. Jehovah has followed the Plan of the Father from the beginning. If you do not know what the plan is and the eventual destination you have, then you are just grasping for straws. So, Ms. JW, what is our eternal outcome we can obtain based on your unscholarly scholars?

 

[JustAGuy1]

Revelation is a letter to the 7 Churches about events in the first century. John Nelson Darby invented the rapture and the futuristic version of revelation in 1830.

Blah, Blah, Blah go away.