What Are You Scared of White "Conservatives?"

[MarathonMike]

Tell that lie elswhere because this forum shows me a different story.

You live in a fantasy world. I think you would be an interesting person to talk to, if you would ever have the courage to converse.

 

[LuckyDuck]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

As European explorers discovered that this continent existed, the VAST bulk of people flocking to it, were European (thus white). No European nation at the time, forbade or prevented any migrants from other regions on the planet from migrating here, regardless of race. As to the founding of the nation, the fore mentioned situation was the reason "whites" were the ones involved in creating it and it was created, "primarily" to separate from England's Monarchy, as the colonists felt they had no representation with the English government.
As to slavery, the people of the era were still primitive in some of their thinking, which included slavery. The Islamic nations had the bulk of the slavery with the last of it (on paper) ending in 1962. Brazil received the bulk of the slaves in the western hemisphere and here in the U.S., we supposedly received about 4 million slaves.
Having said all that, with the constant hostilities over the issue of slavery, especially in the 1850's, it was only natural that the practice of it, would lead us into a major civil conflict....resulting in the Civil War. The bottom line is that it ENDED and everybody and I do mean EVERYBODY involved in slavery IS DEAD....and has been since 1865, when the Democrats surrendered the south. The last surviving slave and slave owner died off in the early twentieth century. IT'S OVER and you were NEVER involved in it!
As to racists, racism exists across the planet, including, of course, here. You are an example of that racism. Suggestion: Stop hating and just be kind to your fellow human beings, whether they are Hispanic, Asian, Native American, or white and in the vast....vast majority of cases, they will return the kindness.
However, if all you can do, is focus on hatred and spewing racist crap, then there is no hope for you being truly happy.

 

[Muhammed]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

Could you please explain to the USMB forum, in your own words, the convoluted anti-white racist "logic" that you used to come to that incredibly stupid conclusion?

 

[IM2]

IM, You say that a lot. That whites are scared. Whites go about our business without one thought of being afraid. You want us to be afraid of you, but you don't even enter our thoughts throughout the day.
Sorry...

He and those like him seem to struggle with the math. 13 percent of any population is ill-fitted to win a war against th over somebody are you racists. Your false Gorest. Either that or he's delusional.

You keep talking about a war. Those like you represent maybe 15 percent of the white population. if there was a war, your kind would get eliminated by whites who can't stand your asses.

No, I'm not saying anything about starting a war. I'm merely pointing out the reality of where your demands will take us. People who think they can rule over others after stealing an election are delusional. It'd be a good idea to avoid bloodshed. Of course, if your plantation overseers decide to create a couple of trillion MORE in debt to pay off their most loyal voting bloc then so be it.
If they raise taxes to say they're "paying for it" expect one hell of a lot of blowbacks, bruddah.

We are here because of whites like you. No election was stolen and the only people trying to rule are those like you. You owe us money, and since everybody else has been repaid and that you will never stop paying native Americans it's time the debt you owe us got settled. It's just that simple. We will get what we are owed or the ultimate decider will destroy this country. It is written and all your talk doesn't change the penalty for not following that moral law.

 

[IM2]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

As European explorers discovered that this continent existed, the VAST bulk of people flocking to it, were European (thus white). No European nation at the time, forbade or prevented any migrants from other regions on the planet from migrating here, regardless of race. As to the founding of the nation, the fore mentioned situation was the reason "whites" were the ones involved in creating it and it was created, "primarily" to separate from England's Monarchy, as the colonists felt they had no representation with the English government.
As to slavery, the people of the era were still primitive in some of their thinking, which included slavery. The Islamic nations had the bulk of the slavery with the last of it (on paper) ending in 1962. Brazil received the bulk of the slaves in the western hemisphere and here in the U.S., we supposedly received about 4 million slaves.
Having said all that, with the constant hostilities over the issue of slavery, especially in the 1850's, it was only natural that the practice of it, would lead us into a major civil conflict....resulting in the Civil War. The bottom line is that it ENDED and everybody and I do mean EVERYBODY involved in slavery IS DEAD....and has been since 1865, when the Democrats surrendered the south. The last surviving slave and slave owner died off in the early twentieth century. IT'S OVER and you were NEVER involved in it!
As to racists, racism exists across the planet, including, of course, here. You are an example of that racism. Suggestion: Stop hating and just be kind to your fellow human beings, whether they are Hispanic, Asian, Native American, or white and in the vast....vast majority of cases, they will return the kindness.
However, if all you can do, is focus on hatred and spewing racist crap, then there is no hope for you being truly happy.

Stop making excuses. You punks consistently bitch about a government created for your benefit. So drop the lectures because this is about TRUTH, not hate. The issue is not just slavery and again your excuses are not going to cut it. Democrats did not surrender the south, the confederacy did not have a democratic party.

Since 2000, U.S. gross domestic product lost that much as a result of discriminatory practices in a range of areas, including in education and access to business loans, according to a new study by Citigroup. Specifically, the study came up with $16 trillion in lost GDP by noting four key racial gaps between African Americans and whites:

$13 trillion lost in potential business revenue because of discriminatory lending to African American entrepreneurs, with an estimated 6.1 million jobs not generated as a result

$2.7 trillion in income lost because of disparities in wages suffered by African Americans

$218 billion lost over the past two decades because of discrimination in providing housing credit

And $90 billion to $113 billion in lifetime income lost from discrimination in accessing higher education

We can state our case for reparations on these numbers that started in the year 2000. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals 56,250 per black person in America. And this is money owed NOW, for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

 

[Mac-7]

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY

The history is well known

No one to my knowledge denies that slavery existed throughout the Americas 400 years ago

So your mission was finished before it even started

 

[IM2]

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY

The history is well known

No one to my knowledge denies that slavery existed throughout the Americas 400 years ago

So your mission was finished before it even started

No I don't really think so.

So let's look at part 2, since you're scared of part 1.

American Capitalism Is Brutal. You Can Trace That to the Plantation. (Published 2019)

Slavery helped turn America into a financial colossus. And our economy is still shaped by management practices invented by enslavers and overseers.

www.nytimes.com

 

[IM2]

Tell that lie elswhere because this forum shows me a different story.

You live in a fantasy world. I think you would be an interesting person to talk to, if you would ever have the courage to converse.

Converse? You mean say what you want to hear and believe only what you tell me. I am not the one living in a fantasy world. That would be you guys. There are thosands of threads and tens of thousands of posts full of racism, yet you guys tell us how we are living in the past because we point it out and show you how whites have historically benefitted from racial preferences.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

The article is quite detailed and well researched. I note that none of the USMB Klan have actually read it. So they are reduced to the basic racism that perhaps Jefferson would have been comfortable with.

Of course if you refuse to read history you are ill-equipped to discuss it and that is where we are.

If they read the article then the facts laid out would challenge the assumptions that they and their parents have grown up with. The country was based on a lie is a tough message to take when your whole being is based on being a white Christian American.

So you have had about 60 responses and not one discusses the content. They cant because the case is so overwhelming. Further I would suggest that they have been conditioned into this mindset by education,Hollywood, politics and all the other structures of society.

It is important that this gets taught to all children in the US, Forget the Klan focus on the kids.

 

[IM2]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

The article is quite detailed and well researched. I note that none of the USMB Klan have actually read it. So they are reduced to the basic racism that perhaps Jefferson would have been comfortable with.

Of course if you refuse to read history you are ill-equipped to discuss it and that is where we are.

If they read the article then the facts laid out would challenge the assumptions that they and their parents have grown up with. The country was based on a lie is a tough message to take when your whole being is based on being a white Christian American.

So you have had about 60 responses and not one discusses the content. They cant because the case is so overwhelming. Further I would suggest that they have been conditioned into this mindset by education,Hollywood, politics and all the other structures of society.

It is important that this gets taught to all children in the US, Forget the Klan focus on the kids.

Good points Tommy. Thanks for reading it. That's a good idea. I'm going to find out if it's being taught here. Of course the Klan will jump on you and talk about England but we we independent ofEngland and kept slavery legal. England did not create Jim Crow here and England did not vote for trump. All these guys have are excuses.

 

[IM2]

As European explorers discovered that this continent existed

Europeans didn't discover anything. Not when people were already here.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

The article is quite detailed and well researched. I note that none of the USMB Klan have actually read it. So they are reduced to the basic racism that perhaps Jefferson would have been comfortable with.

Of course if you refuse to read history you are ill-equipped to discuss it and that is where we are.

If they read the article then the facts laid out would challenge the assumptions that they and their parents have grown up with. The country was based on a lie is a tough message to take when your whole being is based on being a white Christian American.

So you have had about 60 responses and not one discusses the content. They cant because the case is so overwhelming. Further I would suggest that they have been conditioned into this mindset by education,Hollywood, politics and all the other structures of society.

It is important that this gets taught to all children in the US, Forget the Klan focus on the kids.

Good points Tommy. Thanks for reading it. That's a good idea. I'm going to find out if it's being taught here. Of course the Klan will jump on you and talk about England but we we independent ofEngland and kept slavery legal. England did not create Jim Crow here and England did not vote for trump. All these guys have are excuses.

Well it rather looks like the Klan have finished with this thread. Maybe they are reading the link so that they can better understand America ?

On another note the modding on this thread has been disgraceful. The Klan should not have the right to suppress free speech in the way that it does.

 

[IM2]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

The article is quite detailed and well researched. I note that none of the USMB Klan have actually read it. So they are reduced to the basic racism that perhaps Jefferson would have been comfortable with.

Of course if you refuse to read history you are ill-equipped to discuss it and that is where we are.

If they read the article then the facts laid out would challenge the assumptions that they and their parents have grown up with. The country was based on a lie is a tough message to take when your whole being is based on being a white Christian American.

So you have had about 60 responses and not one discusses the content. They cant because the case is so overwhelming. Further I would suggest that they have been conditioned into this mindset by education,Hollywood, politics and all the other structures of society.

It is important that this gets taught to all children in the US, Forget the Klan focus on the kids.

Good points Tommy. Thanks for reading it. That's a good idea. I'm going to find out if it's being taught here. Of course the Klan will jump on you and talk about England but we we independent ofEngland and kept slavery legal. England did not create Jim Crow here and England did not vote for trump. All these guys have are excuses.

Well it rather looks like the Klan have finished with this thread. Maybe they are reading the link so that they can better understand America ?

On another note the modding on this thread has been disgraceful. The Klan should not have the right to suppress free speech in the way that it does.

Many of the Mods are part of the Klan.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He's mistaking cold firkin' RAGE for fear. Bad mistake.

You don't really understand what rage is white boy.

^ Voted "most racist USMB poster" 4 years in a row

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

The article is quite detailed and well researched. I note that none of the USMB Klan have actually read it. So they are reduced to the basic racism that perhaps Jefferson would have been comfortable with.

Of course if you refuse to read history you are ill-equipped to discuss it and that is where we are.

If they read the article then the facts laid out would challenge the assumptions that they and their parents have grown up with. The country was based on a lie is a tough message to take when your whole being is based on being a white Christian American.

So you have had about 60 responses and not one discusses the content. They cant because the case is so overwhelming. Further I would suggest that they have been conditioned into this mindset by education,Hollywood, politics and all the other structures of society.

It is important that this gets taught to all children in the US, Forget the Klan focus on the kids.

Good points Tommy. Thanks for reading it. That's a good idea. I'm going to find out if it's being taught here. Of course the Klan will jump on you and talk about England but we we independent ofEngland and kept slavery legal. England did not create Jim Crow here and England did not vote for trump. All these guys have are excuses.

Well it rather looks like the Klan have finished with this thread. Maybe they are reading the link so that they can better understand America ?

On another note the modding on this thread has been disgraceful. The Klan should not have the right to suppress free speech in the way that it does.

Many of the Mods are part of the Klan.

I can think of a couple.

 

[IM2]

Why Conservatives Want to Cancel the 1619 Project​

Objections to the appointment of Nikole Hannah-Jones to an academic chair are the latest instance of conservatives using the state to suppress ideas they consider dangerous.
MAY 21, 2021

Adam Serwer

The news outlet NC Policy Watch reported on Monday that the university’s dean, chancellor, and faculty had backed Hannah-Jones’s appointment to the Knight Chair in Race and Investigative Journalism, a tenured professorship, after a “rigorous tenure process at UNC.” But in an extraordinary move, the board of trustees declined to act on that recommendation. Hannah-Jones was instead offered a five-year, nontenured appointment following public and private pressure from conservatives. Notably, other Knight Chairs at the journalism school have been tenured on its professional track, which acknowledges “significant professional experience” rather than traditional academic scholarship. Hannah-Jones’s Pulitzer and MacArthur genius grant surely qualify.

One anonymous trustee told NC Policy Watch that “the political environment made granting Hannah-Jones tenure difficult, if not impossible.” A statement from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education noted that “if it is accurate that this refusal was the result of viewpoint discrimination against Hannah-Jones, particularly based on political opposition to her appointment, this decision has disturbing implications for academic freedom.”

If you’ve taken recent debates about free speech and censorship at face value, you might find Hannah-Jones’s denial of tenure deeply confusing. For the past five years, conservatives have been howling about the alleged censoriousness of the American left, in particular on college campuses. But the denial of tenure to Hannah-Jones shows that the real conflict is over how American society understands its present inequalities.

The prevailing conservative view is that America’s racial and economic inequalities are driven by differences in effort and ability. The work of Hannah-Jones and others suggests instead that present-day inequalities have been shaped by deliberate political and policy choices. What appears to be an argument about reexamining history is also an argument about ideology—a defense of the legitimacy of the existing social order against an account of its historical origins that suggests different policy choices could produce a more equitable society.

Why Conservatives Want to Cancel the 1619 Project

Objections to the appointment of Nikole Hannah-Jones to an academic chair are the latest instance of conservatives using the state to suppress ideas they consider dangerous.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[harmonica]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

total babble crap

 

[BlackSand]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

.

Conservatives wouldn't give a shit if you wanted to blame space aliens for your problems, and pretend that will make a positive change in your life.
We aren't sacred of the crap you come up with ... Just don't have a productive use for your stupid ideas.

.​

 

[Mac-7]

So let's look at part 2, since you're scared of part 1.

Not so fast

You posted part 1 and I replied

But its you who wants to run away to a new topic without properly defending your attack on white people

 

[IM2]

So let's look at part 2, since you're scared of part 1.

Not so fast

You posted part 1 and I replied

But its you who wants to run away to a new topic without properly defending your attack on white people

This is no attack on whites. It is an accurate look at American history and you don't seem to have read part one. I have nothing to defend, the link does all the speaking.