What Are You Scared of White "Conservatives?"

[IM2]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

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Conservatives wouldn't give a shit if you wanted to blame space aliens for your problems, and pretend that will make a positive change in your life.
We aren't sacred of the crap you come up with ... Just don't have a productive use for your stupid ideas.

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Tell that lie to yourself. If you guys weren't scared, you would not object to this history being taught in schools.

 

[Mac-7]

This is no attack on whites.

Of course its an attack on white people living today

Otherwise what is the point of belaboring events that happened 400 years ago?

 

[IM2]

This is no attack on whites.

Of course its an attack on white people living today

Otherwise what is the point of belaboring events that happened 400 years ago?

What's the point of talking about the constitution? Shove that excuse up your ass. Whites today are the beneficiaries of past policy and even worse things.

 

[BlackSand]

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Conservatives wouldn't give a shit if you wanted to blame space aliens for your problems, and pretend that will make a positive change in your life.
We aren't sacred of the crap you come up with ... Just don't have a productive use for your stupid ideas.

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Tell that lie to yourself. If you guys weren't scared, you would not object to this history being taught in schools.

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I don't object to you teaching whatever you want in the schools in your community.

I am a Conservative ... I don't want anything from you, and don't give a **** if you want anything from me.
We don't even have to agree ... Because I am not asking you for anything.

If you want to teach dependency, and authoritarian controls to your children ... I couldn't care less ...

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[Mac-7]

Whites today are the beneficiaries of past policy and even worse things.

Wrong!

Whites living today are the VICTIMS of slavery and you are the beneficiary

Without slavery 400 years ago America would contain few if any black people and we would not have the crime, rioting and pillaging that goes on today

Think Norway before it became woke

You on the other hand MIGHT be the son of a chieftain and have 3 wives

But more likely you'd be working for the chinese mining lithium from an open pit for $5 a day

 

[Crepitus]

W

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

We white folks are a-scared of almost everything. Black folks, Hispanic folks, Asian folks, lesbians gays bisexuals transexuals, queers... I'm also pretty sure all liberals are Satanists and there's one around every single corner...we can't go out to get the mail without our ARs we're terrified to go to the grocery store in less than squad strength... And then there's universal health care and tax increases and real wages for poor people and Don't Even Get Me Started on masks and vaccines!!

 

[The Irish Ram]

IM, You say that a lot. That whites are scared. Whites go about our business without one thought of being afraid. You want us to be afraid of you, but you don't even enter our thoughts throughout the day.
Sorry...

He and those like him seem to struggle with the math. 13 percent of any population is ill-fitted to win a war against th over somebody are you racists. Your false Gorest. Either that or he's delusional.

You keep talking about a war. Those like you represent maybe 15 percent of the white population. if there was a war, your kind would get eliminated by whites who can't stand your asses.

No, I'm not saying anything about starting a war. I'm merely pointing out the reality of where your demands will take us. People who think they can rule over others after stealing an election are delusional. It'd be a good idea to avoid bloodshed. Of course, if your plantation overseers decide to create a couple of trillion MORE in debt to pay off their most loyal voting bloc then so be it.
If they raise taxes to say they're "paying for it" expect one hell of a lot of blowbacks, bruddah.

We are here because of whites like you. No election was stolen and the only people trying to rule are those like you. You owe us money, and since everybody else has been repaid and that you will never stop paying native Americans it's time the debt you owe us got settled. It's just that simple. We will get what we are owed or the ultimate decider will destroy this country. It is written and all your talk doesn't change the penalty for not following that moral law.

I don't owe you jack shit. I have never owned slaves and you have never picked cotton, so...

 

[danielpalos]

...not what I thought this thread was going to be about. I thought it was a border thread where Conservative white guys in State government have to listen to the vice president of the Union, inform them she is there to do it the federal way. And, that she is prepared to answer All of their questions.

 

[IM2]

IM, You say that a lot. That whites are scared. Whites go about our business without one thought of being afraid. You want us to be afraid of you, but you don't even enter our thoughts throughout the day.
Sorry...

He and those like him seem to struggle with the math. 13 percent of any population is ill-fitted to win a war against th over somebody are you racists. Your false Gorest. Either that or he's delusional.

You keep talking about a war. Those like you represent maybe 15 percent of the white population. if there was a war, your kind would get eliminated by whites who can't stand your asses.

No, I'm not saying anything about starting a war. I'm merely pointing out the reality of where your demands will take us. People who think they can rule over others after stealing an election are delusional. It'd be a good idea to avoid bloodshed. Of course, if your plantation overseers decide to create a couple of trillion MORE in debt to pay off their most loyal voting bloc then so be it.
If they raise taxes to say they're "paying for it" expect one hell of a lot of blowbacks, bruddah.

We are here because of whites like you. No election was stolen and the only people trying to rule are those like you. You owe us money, and since everybody else has been repaid and that you will never stop paying native Americans it's time the debt you owe us got settled. It's just that simple. We will get what we are owed or the ultimate decider will destroy this country. It is written and all your talk doesn't change the penalty for not following that moral law.

I don't owe you jack shit. I have never owned slaves and you have never picked cotton, so...

Since 2000, U.S. gross domestic product lost that much as a result of discriminatory practices in a range of areas, including in education and access to business loans, according to a new study by Citigroup. Specifically, the study came up with $16 trillion in lost GDP by noting four key racial gaps between African Americans and whites:

$13 trillion lost in potential business revenue because of discriminatory lending to African American entrepreneurs, with an estimated 6.1 million jobs not generated as a result

$2.7 trillion in income lost because of disparities in wages suffered by African Americans

$218 billion lost over the past two decades because of discrimination in providing housing credit

And $90 billion to $113 billion in lifetime income lost from discrimination in accessing higher education

We can state our case for reparations on these numbers that started in the year 2000. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals 56,250 per black person in America. And this is money owed NOW, for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

Now shut the **** up with that bullshit excuse.

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

I am afraid of getting nudes pictures of Hillary an Manchelle by text or email.

 

[The Irish Ram]

IM, You say that a lot. That whites are scared. Whites go about our business without one thought of being afraid. You want us to be afraid of you, but you don't even enter our thoughts throughout the day.
Sorry...

He and those like him seem to struggle with the math. 13 percent of any population is ill-fitted to win a war against th over somebody are you racists. Your false Gorest. Either that or he's delusional.

You keep talking about a war. Those like you represent maybe 15 percent of the white population. if there was a war, your kind would get eliminated by whites who can't stand your asses.

No, I'm not saying anything about starting a war. I'm merely pointing out the reality of where your demands will take us. People who think they can rule over others after stealing an election are delusional. It'd be a good idea to avoid bloodshed. Of course, if your plantation overseers decide to create a couple of trillion MORE in debt to pay off their most loyal voting bloc then so be it.
If they raise taxes to say they're "paying for it" expect one hell of a lot of blowbacks, bruddah.

We are here because of whites like you. No election was stolen and the only people trying to rule are those like you. You owe us money, and since everybody else has been repaid and that you will never stop paying native Americans it's time the debt you owe us got settled. It's just that simple. We will get what we are owed or the ultimate decider will destroy this country. It is written and all your talk doesn't change the penalty for not following that moral law.

I don't owe you jack shit. I have never owned slaves and you have never picked cotton, so...

Since 2000, U.S. gross domestic product lost that much as a result of discriminatory practices in a range of areas, including in education and access to business loans, according to a new study by Citigroup. Specifically, the study came up with $16 trillion in lost GDP by noting four key racial gaps between African Americans and whites:

$13 trillion lost in potential business revenue because of discriminatory lending to African American entrepreneurs, with an estimated 6.1 million jobs not generated as a result

$2.7 trillion in income lost because of disparities in wages suffered by African Americans

$218 billion lost over the past two decades because of discrimination in providing housing credit

And $90 billion to $113 billion in lifetime income lost from discrimination in accessing higher education

We can state our case for reparations on these numbers that started in the year 2000. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals 56,250 per black person in America. And this is money owed NOW, for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

Now shut the **** up with that bullshit excuse.

How much welfare has ****** handed out to blacks?

My Quaker family owes you NOTHING. We hid you, fed you, clothed you and got you to safe locations. Money has been taken from my paycheck on day 1 to continue to care for you, so stick the, "I'm untitled to your money because...." up your ass.
You owe me.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Did Black People Own Slaves?

Did Black People Own Slaves? 100 Amazing Facts About the Negro: Yes -- but why they did and how many they owned will surprise you. By: Henry Louis Gates Jr. | Posted: March 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM Nicolas Augustin Metoyer of Louisiana owned 13 slaves in 1830. He and his 12 family members...

www.africanamerica.org

 

[danielpalos]

IM, You say that a lot. That whites are scared. Whites go about our business without one thought of being afraid. You want us to be afraid of you, but you don't even enter our thoughts throughout the day.
Sorry...

He and those like him seem to struggle with the math. 13 percent of any population is ill-fitted to win a war against th over somebody are you racists. Your false Gorest. Either that or he's delusional.

You keep talking about a war. Those like you represent maybe 15 percent of the white population. if there was a war, your kind would get eliminated by whites who can't stand your asses.

No, I'm not saying anything about starting a war. I'm merely pointing out the reality of where your demands will take us. People who think they can rule over others after stealing an election are delusional. It'd be a good idea to avoid bloodshed. Of course, if your plantation overseers decide to create a couple of trillion MORE in debt to pay off their most loyal voting bloc then so be it.
If they raise taxes to say they're "paying for it" expect one hell of a lot of blowbacks, bruddah.

We are here because of whites like you. No election was stolen and the only people trying to rule are those like you. You owe us money, and since everybody else has been repaid and that you will never stop paying native Americans it's time the debt you owe us got settled. It's just that simple. We will get what we are owed or the ultimate decider will destroy this country. It is written and all your talk doesn't change the penalty for not following that moral law.

I don't owe you jack shit. I have never owned slaves and you have never picked cotton, so...

Since 2000, U.S. gross domestic product lost that much as a result of discriminatory practices in a range of areas, including in education and access to business loans, according to a new study by Citigroup. Specifically, the study came up with $16 trillion in lost GDP by noting four key racial gaps between African Americans and whites:

$13 trillion lost in potential business revenue because of discriminatory lending to African American entrepreneurs, with an estimated 6.1 million jobs not generated as a result

$2.7 trillion in income lost because of disparities in wages suffered by African Americans

$218 billion lost over the past two decades because of discrimination in providing housing credit

And $90 billion to $113 billion in lifetime income lost from discrimination in accessing higher education

We can state our case for reparations on these numbers that started in the year 2000. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals 56,250 per black person in America. And this is money owed NOW, for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

Now shut the **** up with that bullshit excuse.

How much welfare has ****** handed out to blacks?

My Quaker family owes you NOTHING. We hid you, fed you, clothed you and got you to safe locations. Money has been taken from my paycheck on day 1 to continue to care for you, so stick the, "I'm untitled to your money because...." up your ass.
You owe me.

Equal protection of the law is an entitlement not discretionary.

 

[IM2]

IM, You say that a lot. That whites are scared. Whites go about our business without one thought of being afraid. You want us to be afraid of you, but you don't even enter our thoughts throughout the day.
Sorry...

He and those like him seem to struggle with the math. 13 percent of any population is ill-fitted to win a war against th over somebody are you racists. Your false Gorest. Either that or he's delusional.

You keep talking about a war. Those like you represent maybe 15 percent of the white population. if there was a war, your kind would get eliminated by whites who can't stand your asses.

No, I'm not saying anything about starting a war. I'm merely pointing out the reality of where your demands will take us. People who think they can rule over others after stealing an election are delusional. It'd be a good idea to avoid bloodshed. Of course, if your plantation overseers decide to create a couple of trillion MORE in debt to pay off their most loyal voting bloc then so be it.
If they raise taxes to say they're "paying for it" expect one hell of a lot of blowbacks, bruddah.

We are here because of whites like you. No election was stolen and the only people trying to rule are those like you. You owe us money, and since everybody else has been repaid and that you will never stop paying native Americans it's time the debt you owe us got settled. It's just that simple. We will get what we are owed or the ultimate decider will destroy this country. It is written and all your talk doesn't change the penalty for not following that moral law.

I don't owe you jack shit. I have never owned slaves and you have never picked cotton, so...

Since 2000, U.S. gross domestic product lost that much as a result of discriminatory practices in a range of areas, including in education and access to business loans, according to a new study by Citigroup. Specifically, the study came up with $16 trillion in lost GDP by noting four key racial gaps between African Americans and whites:

$13 trillion lost in potential business revenue because of discriminatory lending to African American entrepreneurs, with an estimated 6.1 million jobs not generated as a result

$2.7 trillion in income lost because of disparities in wages suffered by African Americans

$218 billion lost over the past two decades because of discrimination in providing housing credit

And $90 billion to $113 billion in lifetime income lost from discrimination in accessing higher education

We can state our case for reparations on these numbers that started in the year 2000. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals 56,250 per black person in America. And this is money owed NOW, for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

Now shut the **** up with that bullshit excuse.

How much welfare has ****** handed out to blacks?

My Quaker family owes you NOTHING. We hid you, fed you, clothed you and got you to safe locations. Money has been taken from my paycheck on day 1 to continue to care for you, so stick the, "I'm untitled to your money because...." up your ass.
You owe me.

Shut up. The government made the laws and the government owes the money.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

Your posts are too long to even get read. I doubt anyone reads more than a paragraph or two. What good is a post if it doesnt get read?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Shut up. The government made the laws and the government owes the money

The slave owner MAY owe to the slave. Which are you? Nobody owes you a penny

 

[IM2]

Did Black People Own Slaves?

Did Black People Own Slaves? 100 Amazing Facts About the Negro: Yes -- but why they did and how many they owned will surprise you. By: Henry Louis Gates Jr. | Posted: March 4, 2013 at 12:03 AM Nicolas Augustin Metoyer of Louisiana owned 13 slaves in 1830. He and his 12 family members...

www.africanamerica.org

Every excuse you try I have studied. Black slave owners bought spouses, children parents, etc. OK? The government made slavery legal. Indians helped the military hunt down other indians but you and I will be paying reparations to them until the end of days. The issue goes past slaveryand blacks paid tax money for years for things they were excluded from.

 

[IM2]

So I see we have a thread here talking about the African slave traders. But you see, there is no trade if no one buys. There is no slavery in America if it is not made legal by whites.

America did not have to have slavery. Whites here chose to. By making that choice, you cannot now try blaming Africans for the choice your ancestors made. Furthermore the choice to continue treating blacks as second class citizens after slavery completely removes African complocity.

"A nation is a choice. It chooses itself at fateful forks in the road by turning left or right, by giving up something or taking something -- and in the giving up and the taking, in the deciding and not deciding, the nation becomes. And ever afterwards, the nation and the people who make up the nation are defined by the fork and by the decision that was made there, as well as by the decision that was not made there. For the decision, once made, engraves itself into the landscape, engraves itself into things, into institutions, nerves, muscles, tendons; and the first decision requires a second decision, and the second decision requires a third, and it goes on and on, spiraling in an inexorable processus which distorts everything and alienates everybody.

America became America that way. Fork by fork, step by step, option by option, America or, to be more precise, the men who spoke in the name of America decided that it was going to be a white place defined negatively by the bodies and the blood of the reds and the blacks. And that decision, which was made in the 1660s and elaborated over a two-hundred-year period, foreclosed certain possibilities in America -- perhaps forever -- and set off depth charges that are still echoing and re-echoing in the commonwealth. What makes this all the more mournful is that it didn't have to happen that way. There was another road -- but that road wasn't taken. In the beginning, as we have seen, there was no race problem in America. The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money. This was, as Kenneth Stampp so cogently observed, a deliberate choice among several alternatives. Slavery, he said, "cannot be attributed to some deadly atmospheric miasma or some irresistible force in the South's economic evolution. The use of slaves in southern agriculture was a deliberate choice (among several alternatives) made by men who sought greater returns than they could obtain from their own labor alone, and who found other types of labor " more expensive. ...

It didn't have to happen that way. Back there, before Jim Crow, before the invention of the Negro or the white man or the words and concepts to describe them, the Colonial population consisted largely of a great mass of white and black bondsmen, who occupied roughly the same economic category and were treated with equal contempt by the lords of the plantations and legislatures. Curiously unconcerned about their color, these people worked together and relaxed together. They had essentially the same interests, the same aspirations, arid the same grievances. They conspired together and waged a common struggle against their common enemy -- the big planter apparatus and a social system that legalized terror against black and white bondsmen. No one says and no one believes that there was a Garden of Eden in Colonial America. But the available evidence, slight though it is, suggests that there were widening bonds of solidarity between the first generation of blacks and whites. And the same evidence indicates that it proved very difficult indeed to teach white people to worship their skin.

All this began to change drastically in the sixth decade of the seventeenth century .The decade of the 1660s: this was the first great fork in the making of black America. For it was at this fork that certain men decided to ground the American economic system on human slavery. To understand that great fork, one must understand first the roads leading to it -- roads that were not taken."

'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

Africans did not do this. Africans did not decide for white colonists that blacks would be slaves. But in the rush to try discrediting the 1619 project, the Wall Street Journal writes a story and every racist here wants to cosign it.

But the 1619 Project is about AMERICAN HISTORY, not Europe and so here we will start with Pt. 1

America Wasn’t a Democracy, Until Black Americans Made It One (Published 2019)

Our founding ideals of liberty and equality were false when they were written. For generations, black Americans have fought to make them true.

www.nytimes.com

Your posts are too long to even get read. I doubt anyone reads more than a paragraph or two. What good is a post if it doesnt get read?

I am quite sure if I posted a Thomas Sowell articke, every word would be read. This is information people here apparently need to learn and since when have we been unable to read more than 3 sentences?

 

[IM2]

Whites today are the beneficiaries of past policy and even worse things.

Wrong!

Whites living today are the VICTIMS of slavery and you are the beneficiary

Without slavery 400 years ago America would contain few if any black people and we would not have the crime, rioting and pillaging that goes on today

Think Norway before it became woke

You on the other hand MIGHT be the son of a chieftain and have 3 wives

But more likely you'd be working for the chinese mining lithium from an open pit for $5 a day

You are wrong.

Whites commit most of the crimes, and I doubt if I'd be working for the Chinese. A lot of rhings change without slavery.

Just be glad the indigenous people didn't choose to erase whites when they first got here.

 

[The Irish Ram]

IM, You say that a lot. That whites are scared. Whites go about our business without one thought of being afraid. You want us to be afraid of you, but you don't even enter our thoughts throughout the day.
Sorry...

He and those like him seem to struggle with the math. 13 percent of any population is ill-fitted to win a war against th over somebody are you racists. Your false Gorest. Either that or he's delusional.

You keep talking about a war. Those like you represent maybe 15 percent of the white population. if there was a war, your kind would get eliminated by whites who can't stand your asses.

No, I'm not saying anything about starting a war. I'm merely pointing out the reality of where your demands will take us. People who think they can rule over others after stealing an election are delusional. It'd be a good idea to avoid bloodshed. Of course, if your plantation overseers decide to create a couple of trillion MORE in debt to pay off their most loyal voting bloc then so be it.
If they raise taxes to say they're "paying for it" expect one hell of a lot of blowbacks, bruddah.

We are here because of whites like you. No election was stolen and the only people trying to rule are those like you. You owe us money, and since everybody else has been repaid and that you will never stop paying native Americans it's time the debt you owe us got settled. It's just that simple. We will get what we are owed or the ultimate decider will destroy this country. It is written and all your talk doesn't change the penalty for not following that moral law.

I don't owe you jack shit. I have never owned slaves and you have never picked cotton, so...

Since 2000, U.S. gross domestic product lost that much as a result of discriminatory practices in a range of areas, including in education and access to business loans, according to a new study by Citigroup. Specifically, the study came up with $16 trillion in lost GDP by noting four key racial gaps between African Americans and whites:

$13 trillion lost in potential business revenue because of discriminatory lending to African American entrepreneurs, with an estimated 6.1 million jobs not generated as a result

$2.7 trillion in income lost because of disparities in wages suffered by African Americans

$218 billion lost over the past two decades because of discrimination in providing housing credit

And $90 billion to $113 billion in lifetime income lost from discrimination in accessing higher education

We can state our case for reparations on these numbers that started in the year 2000. If we only take lost income from racism starting in 2000, it equals 56,250 per black person in America. And this is money owed NOW, for things done in OUR LIFETIMES.

Now shut the **** up with that bullshit excuse.

How much welfare has ****** handed out to blacks?

My Quaker family owes you NOTHING. We hid you, fed you, clothed you and got you to safe locations. Money has been taken from my paycheck on day 1 to continue to care for you, so stick the, "I'm untitled to your money because...." up your ass.
You owe me.

Shut up. The government made the laws and the government owes the money.

Where does the gov. get it's money??? Tell me to shut up again and I'll haunt every one of your threads with the truth...