Zone1 We Know Men’s duties and obligations to women, but what are women’s duties and obligations to men?

[Hafar1014]

Dont get fat

 

[Hafar1014]

Feminism has helped many a young woman who does not want marriage and kids to overcome the wrongfull societal pressure to have to be married and procreate. This is a nation where people are free to choose what they want rather than a society pressuring them into something they dont want because is s ",tradition". Nobody is stopping anyone from getting married if that is their wish. Look for the trend to continue. No sense crying about it.

Great thats why they are on anxiety and depression meds in record numbers

 

[iamwhatiseem]

As marriage rates are dropping the two sides are figuring out nobody owes the other a thing. Neither sex has a duty towards the other sex. Want marriage? Great, go get married. Don't want that? Then. Don't. Society is slowly becoming less gregarious and more silently independent.

HaHa!! - yeah hell no. Independent my ass.
Wow - is this opposite day?
1 in 5 people 25-29 STILL LIVE AT HOME.
Independent... LOL

 

[Correll]

what nonsense.......you stay home and raise children at no less than 80 hours a week.

I have. Some of the best times of my life. .......

NO, let me take that back. THe best time of my life, no qualifiers.

 

[OODA_Loop]

 

[initforme]

HaHa!! - yeah hell no. Independent my ass.
Wow - is this opposite day?
1 in 5 people 25-29 STILL LIVE AT HOME.
Independent... LOL

What difference does it make if a 25 year old is living at home? Is that somehow bad?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What difference does it make if a 25 year old is living at home? Is that somehow bad?

If all they do is sit in their room and play video games and whine about their hopeless life - hell yes.
Even if they have full time job - this stunts, or retards their progress in life as an adult.
The shear number of "dough boys" - soft/overweight/out of shape bodies that appear to be made of dough - and brains to match, who are stuck in their teens - is frightening.

 

[Correll]

If all they do is sit in their room and play video games and whine about their hopeless life - hell yes.
Even if they have full time job - this stunts, or retards their progress in life as an adult.
The shear number of "dough boys" - soft/overweight/out of shape bodies that appear to be made of dough - and brains to match, who are stuck in their teens - is frightening.

I don't know.


I work with a young kid about that age. He lives at home, while working full time.

He thinks about moving out, but all that would do would be to increase his expenses.

He's average height, and like you said, looks "soft", and thus, isn't attracting women. THe way he interacts with some of the female workers... tells me he is not hopeless, but he is just not very competitive in the current dating market.


It seems like moving out would just be, going though the motions. What he needs is a career and a mate.

Having his own place, really isn't the answer.

 

[candycorn]

Let me try, based on my personal experiences....


1. Be respectful.

2. Be supportive.

3. Be loving.

4. Organize and run the home.

You left out 5. Hide their regret

 

[Correll]

You left out 5. Hide their regret

Regret? Over what?

 

[initforme]

I don't know.


I work with a young kid about that age. He lives at home, while working full time.

He thinks about moving out, but all that would do would be to increase his expenses.

He's average height, and like you said, looks "soft", and thus, isn't attracting women. THe way he interacts with some of the female workers... tells me he is not hopeless, but he is just not very competitive in the current dating market.


It seems like moving out would just be, going though the motions. What he needs is a career and a mate.

Having his own place, really isn't the answer.

He has lots of time to find a mate. Theyre a dime a dozen.

 

[initforme]

If all they do is sit in their room and play video games and whine about their hopeless life - hell yes.
Even if they have full time job - this stunts, or retards their progress in life as an adult.
The shear number of "dough boys" - soft/overweight/out of shape bodies that appear to be made of dough - and brains to match, who are stuck in their teens - is frightening.

In todays world of low wages and high cost of living, one can work full time, save like crazy living at home for awhile, and have a nice nest egg saved up before leaving the nest. I see nothing wrong with that. And. They can work our too.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

In todays world of low wages and high cost of living, one can work full time, save like crazy living at home for awhile, and have a nice nest egg saved up before leaving the nest. I see nothing wrong with that. And. They can work our too.

I would have no problem with that, but that is the exception not the norm

 

[Paradoxical#1]

What we are witnessing today is a backlash against the Old Testament religion which was written by men who declared themselves the arbiter of not only what men should be and do, but that women should accept whatever a man does or doesn't do and women should be quiet about it, accept it and be a good little wifey, having baby after baby and standing by her man no matter how he treated her. Women didn't work, and so by necessity were subservient and compliant.

In the 1950s and even up to the late 60s and 70s, women didn't work. Taxes were low and they didn't have to. The man worked and provided. All this followed Old Testament rules. America was said to be 95% "Christian". Over the course of 60 years, society has changed dramatically. Women are making almost as much as men and no longer need them for financial support. And, if a married guy or live-in boyfriend turns out to be an ahole, the woman can leave his sorry ass because she no longer has to worry about dying from starvation; she can get a job and fend for herself.

About the only thing women are not on a par with men is physical strength. They still like a guy to keep them from physical harm and like peacocks, women like to be courted and chased. Liberals are trying their best to do away with that as well, with this tranny and sex change stuff, asserting that men can be girls and girls can be men and there is no difference. They want thousands of years of evolution to change in a week just because that is what they want and demand.

Evolution doesn't care if it takes a thousand years. Humans have rebelled against the Old Testament lies, but the genes hold memories from our ancestors and they stay with us for centuries.

 

[Hafar1014]

What we are witnessing today is a backlash against the Old Testament religion which was written by men who declared themselves the arbiter of not only what men should be and do, but that women should accept whatever a man does or doesn't do and women should be quiet about it, accept it and be a good little wifey, having baby after baby and standing by her man no matter how he treated her. Women didn't work, and so by necessity were subservient and compliant.

In the 1950s and even up to the late 60s and 70s, women didn't work. Taxes were low and they didn't have to. The man worked and provided. All this followed Old Testament rules. America was said to be 95% "Christian". Over the course of 60 years, society has changed dramatically. Women are making almost as much as men and no longer need them for financial support. And, if a married guy or live-in boyfriend turns out to be an ahole, the woman can leave his sorry ass because she no longer has to worry about dying from starvation; she can get a job and fend for herself.

About the only thing women are not on a par with men is physical strength. They still like a guy to keep them from physical harm and like peacocks, women like to be courted and chased. Liberals are trying their best to do away with that as well, with this tranny and sex change stuff, asserting that men can be girls and girls can be men and there is no difference. They want thousands of years of evolution to change in a week just because that is what they want and demand.

Evolution doesn't care if it takes a thousand years. Humans have rebelled against the Old Testament lies, but the genes hold memories from our ancestors and they stay with us for centuries.

Genesis defined woman as mans other self not above or below him. What we see today is the failure of feminism to create values for women that lead to happiness. More women are on psychotropic drugs for anxiety and depression than ever. Many self medicate with food and we get a fat culture of self loathing. They hate men marriage and themselves.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What we are witnessing today is a backlash against the Old Testament religion which was written by men who declared themselves the arbiter of not only what men should be and do, but that women should accept whatever a man does or doesn't do and women should be quiet about it, accept it and be a good little wifey, having baby after baby and standing by her man no matter how he treated her. Women didn't work, and so by necessity were subservient and compliant.

In the 1950s and even up to the late 60s and 70s, women didn't work. Taxes were low and they didn't have to. The man worked and provided. All this followed Old Testament rules. America was said to be 95% "Christian". Over the course of 60 years, society has changed dramatically. Women are making almost as much as men and no longer need them for financial support. And, if a married guy or live-in boyfriend turns out to be an ahole, the woman can leave his sorry ass because she no longer has to worry about dying from starvation; she can get a job and fend for herself.

About the only thing women are not on a par with men is physical strength. They still like a guy to keep them from physical harm and like peacocks, women like to be courted and chased. Liberals are trying their best to do away with that as well, with this tranny and sex change stuff, asserting that men can be girls and girls can be men and there is no difference. They want thousands of years of evolution to change in a week just because that is what they want and demand.

Evolution doesn't care if it takes a thousand years. Humans have rebelled against the Old Testament lies, but the genes hold memories from our ancestors and they stay with us for centuries.

HAha - speaking of Paradoxical
The outcome of that has not been so great now has it? Almost every measure you can think of for having a happy life is worse now. Inarguable. And a good part of what that is - is post modern feminism.
Women's liberation and suffrage were two noble causes that were damn right, and ended gross unfair situations for women.
Post modern feminism - has been a total destructible force in every society that has embraced it. No exceptions.

 

[Hafar1014]

Genesis defined woman as mans other self not above or below him. What we see today is the failure of feminism to create values for women that lead to happiness. More women are on psychotropic drugs for anxiety and depression than ever. Many self medicate with food and we get a fat culture of self loathing. They hate men marriage and themselves.

Genes cant hold memories thats a limbic process in the brain.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The obligations men and women have towards each other are those they have agreed to, with the onus for honest communication placed upon the two equally.

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I love seeing a good Catholic couple, knowing they went through many months of counseling before being allowed to marry in the Church. Expectations clearly stated and agreed to.

Not true for every Catholic couple, as many parishes have done away with traditional values and practices.


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[ding]

We’ve all heard the slogans and demands of modern women these days, the ones who outwardly and unashamedly say “Where are the REAL men?”, “Men are trash” etc. (Imagine if we said that about any other group for a second.. A white guy saying “Where are the REAL blacks? Black People are trash”). Yet, these slogans are completely accepted and happen constantly in mainstream society amidst the feminist cultures that are supported on social media, in the mainstream media, on pretty much all of the left, and even a bit on the right too (Tomi Laughrin, for example).

But, Let’s talk about duties and obligations of the sexes to society and to one another. Men’s are well known for 3 reasons:

1. We want to do them for the good of society and to love those we seek
2. It’s in our behavioral psychology to provide them
3. Modern women complain about and list them constantly

What are those duties and obligations?

1. Protect women from harm
2. Provide most of your resources to them, pay for them, court them.
3. Build society, infrastructure, and do the hard jobs/labor that are difficult, dangerous, etc. so they don’t have to
4. Protect society, be the enforcement (Police, military, etc.) so they are safe
5. Be a leader and “step up” aka improve to attain them
6. Put up with mistreatment, get slapped/hit and don’t retaliate because “men just aren’t supposed to do that”
7. do things for her, sweep her off her feet

Assuming all of these are true (and it’s hard to argue they aren’t).. in return, what are women supposed to offer to society and to their boyfriend, husband/partner? What does our feminist society say what a “Real woman” should be? I really can’t think of anything. Traditional women have some answers, but that’s not the what our society promotes (it actually demonized it with references to slavery, Handmaids tale, etc.). Modern women regularly publicly tee off on men, while simultaneously being blind to the protections and support men provide them (Feminism can only exist in a 1st world country). Meanwhile, society, leftists, and feminist speakers offer no things women SHOULD do for their men, or for society, at least I don’t see any of it in the mainstream.

It’s usually about what women should receive.
1. Be a girl boss! Get yours girl!
2. You’re fine the way you are.
3. Don’t put up with any commanding or leading, it’s abuse (while saying find a “real” man who can lead)
4. He should pay, he should be a gentleman. Chivalry.
5. He should make me feel safe.

The latest data shows bad trends.. We see a massive growth in young single men, men who aren’t seeking women, etc. And it sadly makes sense. Why would they seek a group that has been largely inspired by an ideology (Feminism) to hold disdain for them, accuse them of conspiring to oppress them in a mythical “Patriarchy”, and even if a man provides protections and provisions to them personally or in society, it’s completely ignored and it’s completely acceptable to degrade them, mock them, etc. There’s nothing in it for men, at least when dealing with the modern woman, leftist woman, and even some right wing women who are too caught up in societal norms.

Before I offer any prescriptions, confirm that I’m not saying men should NOT do their duties and obligations (or at least try), and without having to explain why it’s necessary for both sides to sacrifice and offer their duties/obligations to one another (leftists, that equality/equity rhetoric can come back to bite you here).. can anyone on here think of a duty or obligation our feminist modern society demands of modern women? Are there any lectures or pressures on them of what they “ought to do” to be considered a “Real woman”? And do so for their man or for society? By all means, the floor is yours.

I would say the obligations of men and women are captured in their wedding vows.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Genesis defined woman as mans other self not above or below him. What we see today is the failure of feminism to create values for women that lead to happiness. More women are on psychotropic drugs for anxiety and depression than ever. Many self medicate with food and we get a fat culture of self loathing. They hate men marriage and themselves.

That is not a direct quote from Genesis, which says Genesis 2:18 (NIV): "The Lord God said, ‘It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.’"

As I believe the rules of the site call for this to be said, the following is just a partial list from YOUR bible that prove women were considered inferior to men and the property of men and I have not included all of them in the interest of brevity:

In Exodus 20:17 and Deuteronomy 5:21 (The Tenth Commandment):

• Text (Exodus 20:17, NIV): "You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."
• Implication: The wife is listed alongside property (house, servants, animals), suggesting she is part of the household under the man’s ownership. The Hebrew word ‘ishshah (wife) is grouped with possessions, reflecting a patriarchal structure where a wife was under her husband’s authority.
• Context: In ancient Israel, marriage often involved a bride price (e.g., Exodus 22:16-17), reinforcing the idea that women were transferred from a father’s to a husband’s authority, resembling a property transaction.

Leviticus 27:1-7 (Vow Valuations):

• Text (Leviticus 27:3-7, NIV): "Set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels of silver... for a female, set her value at thirty shekels... For a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels and of a female at ten shekels..."
• Implication: This passage assigns monetary values to people dedicated to the Lord via vows, with women consistently valued at a lower rate than men (e.g., 60% of a man’s value for ages 20-60). This reflects a societal structure where women’s economic or social worth was deemed lower.
• Context: These valuations likely relate to labor or economic contributions in a temple context, but they codify a gender-based hierarchy in worth.

What people do is to cherry-pick the passages of the bible they like and even at that offer strained interpretations of those passages by claiming different Hebrew interpretations. They could get away with this utter nonsense before the age of the internet and specifically AI, where a regular old commoner like me can instantaneously prove the bibliolator or bible expert wrong using scripture that the believer conveniently ignores. That the bible DOES subjugate females and many don't realize it or claim that it doesn't was ignored in the past because it would take someone days to scour the bible on his own and so that person shut up and accepted what the bibliolator said. No more. This is why religion is waning and will eventually go the way of the dodo bord.