Zone1 We Know Men’s duties and obligations to women, but what are women’s duties and obligations to men?

[initforme]

I was a manager, wife worked part time. We had two kids. I owned two pairs of jeans, and two pairs of shoes, I didn't waste money on clothes. My phone was a basic Nokia. Our holidays where at Haven sites. Later in life, we finally took the kids on a Spanish holiday. The kids had both sets of grandparents, so they helped out with some school pick ups etc.. But nursery fees do put a dent in finances. Luckily I had a discount card with work that gave me discount in a shop that sold nappies, baby stuff etc..

Couldn't imagine going through life without having your own kids.

Thats great. But not everyone shares your same goals and ideals.

 

[80zephyr]

Thats great. But not everyone shares your same goals and ideals.

Are you an incel?

 

[initforme]

Are you an incel?

 

[initforme]

Are you an incel?

Not at all. Im a tradionally married Christian man.

 

[80zephyr]

Not at all. Im a tradionally married Christian man.

You sure sound like an anti family guy.

 

[initforme]

You sure sound like an anti family guy.

Not at all. I just dont believe its a duty to get married and have kids. If you want that then fine and if you dont thats also commendable and proper. Theres no duty to have a family because there are those in society with that warped view.

 

[Correll]

I reject your authority to tell me what and how to think, Correll.

You seem barely sentient.

Most of your cult are the same as you.

We are not here to teach you humility.

We are here to stop you from hurting humanity.

That makes no sense, and has nothing to do with anything I said.

 

[Correll]

1) how do you know what's going to make an individual happy? Perhaps a growing number want their independence and dont need a family to be happy. The great part is there is not a darn thing a country can do to force marriage and kids. That's a wonderful thing.

Women with families are happier than women alone. Feminism has sold these women a bill of lies.

2) Nobody is preventing a woman from getting married. They're free to do so if thats what they want.

I said nothing of people using FORCE to stop the women. I was addressing the way that feminists and society are lying to the women and setting them up for failure and sadness. Discussing the issue seriously and honestly could lead to young women not wasting their more fertile years, with short term, meaningless relationships instead of buidling the family they want.

3) Having kids isn't a healthier decision for every person.

Technically true. And would be a great post if EVERY PERSON was having children and some small number truly regretted it.

Instead the REALITY of the world is that more and more women are choosing to not have children and truly regretting it, to the harm to themselves, men and society at large.

4) the current trend is only going to pick up more steam.

Actually, I don't think so. I think feminism has peaked and a big part of why it ran such a strong course, was the power of the legacy media to shut down serious or honest discussion of it.


Now, with that monopoly broken, we are actually addressing the issue. And thus the damage being done is being seen clearly and people are waking up to how bad it has been and are talking about ways to fix it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That makes no sense, and has nothing to do with anything I said.

And you prove that sentience is a challenge for you.

 

[initforme]

Women with families are happier than women alone. Feminism has sold these women a bill of lies.



I said nothing of people using FORCE to stop the women. I was addressing the way that feminists and society are lying to the women and setting them up for failure and sadness. Discussing the issue seriously and honestly could lead to young women not wasting their more fertile years, with short term, meaningless relationships instead of buidling the family they want.




Technically true. And would be a great post if EVERY PERSON was having children and some small number truly regretted it.

Instead the REALITY of the world is that more and more women are choosing to not have children and truly regretting it, to the harm to themselves, men and society at large.





Actually, I don't think so. I think feminism has peaked and a big part of why it ran such a strong course, was the power of the legacy media to shut down serious or honest discussion of it.


Now, with that monopoly broken, we are actually addressing the issue. And thus the damage being done is being seen clearly and people are waking up to how bad it has been and are talking about ways to fix it.

How are men being "harmed"? Sounds like they have to toughen up and become more independent, as it was meant to be. Getting married before one is financially very sound is a mistake, a big mistake. 30s are now a good time to get married.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

A wife, if she loses her job, expects a man to support and provide for her.

If a husband loses his job, I am not sure all wives think they support him.

 

[Correll]

And you prove that sentience is a challenge for you.

No, it's not. I have been clear in my statements and if you want to talk shit, that is on you.

 

[Woodznutz]

See Proverbs 31.

 

[Correll]

How are men being "harmed"?

Being deprived a being able to have a family too. Or having their family ruined by divorce. Not to mention the overall indirect harm to society, which of course involves them too.

This the first you heard this stuff? You've been off planet for the last few years?

Sounds like they have to toughen up and become more independent, as it was meant to be.

"As meant to be"? Odd. My understanding of human history is that for all of human history the vast majority of people formed family and social units so that they were not alone.

What AUTHORITY are you citing who has decreed otherwise? Feminism?

Getting married before one is financially very sound is a mistake, a big mistake.

"Very sound"?

Except, being married, can save people money. Nothing else, they can split rent, that's a huge savings there. For a lot of people, that right there could be the difference between being in the red or being in the black.


So by waiting, you are actually making it HARDER for people to become financially sound.

30s are now a good time to get married.

Is it?

People generally start having sex in their teens. So, what's the plan? We all spend a decade or two whoring around, then try to find a mate and make a family? After our peak fertility years are pissed away?

That has been what we have been doing. It is clearly not working well. Men and women are suffering from that. Society is suffering from that.

 

[initforme]

Being deprived a being able to have a family too. Or having their family ruined by divorce. Not to mention the overall indirect harm to society, which of course involves them too.

This the first you heard this stuff? You've been off planet for the last few years?




"As meant to be"? Odd. My understanding of human history is that for all of human history the vast majority of people formed family and social units so that they were not alone.

What AUTHORITY are you citing who has decreed otherwise? Feminism?



"Very sound"?

Except, being married, can save people money. Nothing else, they can split rent, that's a huge savings there. For a lot of people, that right there could be the difference between being in the red or being in the black.


So by waiting, you are actually making it HARDER for people to become financially sound.






Is it?

People generally start having sex in their teens. So, what's the plan? We all spend a decade or two whoring around, then try to find a mate and make a family? After our peak fertility years are pissed away?

That has been what we have been doing. It is clearly not working well. Men and women are suffering from that. Society is suffering from that.

Who is depriving men from having a family? Are there people stopping men from having a family? Who is doing that? Are you thinking women should get married for the sake of men? Cmon thats ridiculous. How are men "suffeting"? If they are thsts on them. They are not owed a chance to find a mate.

 

[Correll]

Who is depriving men from having a family? Are there people stopping men from having a family? Who is doing that?

Stop playing dumb. IF women as a group buy into the ideology of feminism and that leads to a break down of marriage, then the men are being prevented from having a family.

That is the harm I was discussing. It is a real harm. YOu talking in circles is an EVASION, because you are afraid to discuss your position on this issue seriously or honestly.

Are you thinking women should get married for the sake of men?

I am not thinking that. I did not say that. You asked what harm was being done to men. I told you. NOw you are trying to spin that as though that is me bringing that up as a justification to force women to do something.

That was not the context of YOUR question.

You asked me what harm, and now I told you. Are you admitting that the harm is real?

AND it is worth noting that YOU are the one that broke this down to just men being harmed. I made the point that men and women and society were all being harmed by this trend.

So, what point are you trying to make that is somehow relevant to the topic?

Cmon thats ridiculous. How are men "suffeting"? If they are thsts on them. They are not owed a chance to find a mate.

If you are pushing an ideology that makes it harder for them to find a mate, then they/we are "owed" a chance to push back against that ideology.

And you need to defend it. Or conceed that your ideology is harmful and should be dropped.


The results of doing shit your way are in. THey are not good. Women are unhappy. Men are literally dying. Society is suffering as a whole.

Sounds like is time to shit can feminism.


Unless you can explain what is good about this trend.

 

[initforme]

Stop playing dumb. IF women as a group buy into the ideology of feminism and that leads to a break down of marriage, then the men are being prevented from having a family.

That is the harm I was discussing. It is a real harm. YOu talking in circles is an EVASION, because you are afraid to discuss your position on this issue seriously or honestly.




I am not thinking that. I did not say that. You asked what harm was being done to men. I told you. NOw you are trying to spin that as though that is me bringing that up as a justification to force women to do something.

That was not the context of YOUR question.

You asked me what harm, and now I told you. Are you admitting that the harm is real?

AND it is worth noting that YOU are the one that broke this down to just men being harmed. I made the point that men and women and society were all being harmed by this trend.

So, what point are you trying to make that is somehow relevant to the topic?




If you are pushing an ideology that makes it harder for them to find a mate, then they/we are "owed" a chance to push back against that ideology.

And you need to defend it. Or conceed that your ideology is harmful and should be dropped.


The results of doing shit your way are in. THey are not good. Women are unhappy. Men are literally dying. Society is suffering as a whole.

Sounds like is time to shit can feminism.


Unless you can explain what is good about this trend.

My idieoligy is that its not the nation's business what people do as far as marriage and having kids. If a woman doesnt want to get married and have kids who cares? I have 3 kids of my own. My youngest. 55, just got divorced and we could NOT be happier because he was married to an awful woman. Thankfully, so thankful, they had no kids. But we do have 1 grandchild between the 3 of them so we've done our part us some in the procreating part. I do agree people promoting a route to young adults is wrong and twisted.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Thats great. But not everyone shares your same goals and ideals.

Never, getaway

 

[Correll]

My idieoligy is that its not the nation's business what people do as far as marriage and having kids.

YOur ideology is feminism (in this context). You are talking shit now to avoid defending your ideology, because you know that you CANNOT defend your ideology because it's effects have been negative, hurting, women, men and society as a whole.

If a woman doesnt want to get married and have kids who cares?

Everyone should care, for multiple reasons.

1. Empathy. She is probably setting herself up for future misery.

2 And is contibuting to harm to men too, as she just deprive a man of a family too.

3. Everyone with a stake in the game, ie society at large as the negative effects of that ripple out from teh loneliness epidemic, to women's unhappiness to decline birthrates causing all kinds of problems.

This is my point. THis is my position on this issue. You clearly care, would you like to address my posiiton now, or would you like to pretend to not get it, and ask some more questions?

I have 3 kids of my own. My youngest. 55, just got divorced and we could NOT be happier because he was married to an awful woman. Thankfully, so thankful, they had no kids. But we do have 1 grandchild between the 3 of them so we've done our part us some in the procreating part.

Three children, and ONE grandchild? That is not good. Gods and they are all out of child bearing years? I am sorry for your loss. I am sorry for them. I know my life would be much lesser if I had failed to have children.

One is better than none. I hope he or she is a joy to you.

I do agree people promoting a route to young adults is wrong and twisted.

Shit talk. That is what you are doing. You are promoting an ideological view of how young adults should behave and you are pretending you are not, so that you can dodge defending your position on the issue.

 

[initforme]

YOur ideology is feminism (in this context). You are talking shit now to avoid defending your ideology, because you know that you CANNOT defend your ideology because it's effects have been negative, hurting, women, men and society as a whole.




Everyone should care, for multiple reasons.

1. Empathy. She is probably setting herself up for future misery.

2 And is contibuting to harm to men too, as she just deprive a man of a family too.

3. Everyone with a stake in the game, ie society at large as the negative effects of that ripple out from teh loneliness epidemic, to women's unhappiness to decline birthrates causing all kinds of problems.

This is my point. THis is my position on this issue. You clearly care, would you like to address my posiiton now, or would you like to pretend to not get it, and ask some more questions?





Three children, and ONE grandchild? That is not good. Gods and they are all out of child bearing years? I am sorry for your loss. I am sorry for them. I know my life would be much lesser if I had failed to have children.

One is better than none. I hope he or she is a joy to you.





Shit talk. That is what you are doing. You are promoting an ideological view of how young adults should behave and you are pretending you are not, so that you can dodge defending your position on the issue.

My viewpoint is the nation should stay out of young people affairs and let them decide what they want. Pushing them one way or theothrr is stupudity. Im not buying into the poor poor lonely men rhetoric. If they're lonely do so.ething about it
Its not hard to find a mat if yhats what you want.