Zone1 We Know Men’s duties and obligations to women, but what are women’s duties and obligations to men?

[Correll]

My viewpoint is the nation should stay out of young people affairs and let them decide what they want. Pushing them one way or theothrr is stupudity. Im not buying into the poor poor lonely men rhetoric. If they're lonely do so.ething about it
Its not hard to find a mat if yhats what you want.

YOu are talking shit to avoid defending your ideological position on this issue.


That is all yo are doing.

 

[initforme]

YOu are talking shit to avoid defending your ideological position on this issue.


That is all yo are doing.

Not at all. Im for the individuals making their own decision, not promoting them to do something because a few men are lonely. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Exactly what are we going to do to solve this issue? Tell people to get married and have kids in their 20s? Thats a recipe for divorce.

 

[initforme]

YOur ideology is feminism (in this context). You are talking shit now to avoid defending your ideology, because you know that you CANNOT defend your ideology because it's effects have been negative, hurting, women, men and society as a whole.




Everyone should care, for multiple reasons.

1. Empathy. She is probably setting herself up for future misery.

2 And is contibuting to harm to men too, as she just deprive a man of a family too.

3. Everyone with a stake in the game, ie society at large as the negative effects of that ripple out from teh loneliness epidemic, to women's unhappiness to decline birthrates causing all kinds of problems.

This is my point. THis is my position on this issue. You clearly care, would you like to address my posiiton now, or would you like to pretend to not get it, and ask some more questions?





Three children, and ONE grandchild? That is not good. Gods and they are all out of child bearing years? I am sorry for your loss. I am sorry for them. I know my life would be much lesser if I had failed to have children.

One is better than none. I hope he or she is a joy to you.





Shit talk. That is what you are doing. You are promoting an ideological view of how young adults should behave and you are pretending you are not, so that you can dodge defending your position on the issue.

I feel no "loss" as you speak of. Im not promoting anything because its not my business what others do. Want to see the trend increase? Tell people that they should be getting married. That will drive them further away.

 

[80zephyr]

Not at all. Im for the individuals making their own decision, not promoting them to do something because a few men are lonely. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Exactly what are we going to do to solve this issue? Tell people to get married and have kids in their 20s? Thats a recipe for divorce.

I know many, many young people, both men and women, aching for a relationship. Why are they not happening? My youngest sons best friend killed himself last year, because he was unable to find a mate.

What has happened to our children? Why is it that having children was a cause of happiness for a millennia, and now its not?

 

[Correll]

Not at all. Im for the individuals making their own decision, not promoting them to do something

Except, you have been promoting them to follow your feminists ideology. YOu just are lying to avoid discussing the policy results of your ideology.

Because you know that they are bad.

because a few men are lonely.

Except that is not my stated reasons. You are lying, because you know that your ideology of feminism has resulted in terrible results for women, men and society at large.

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Again, more lies from you, to avoid defending your ideological model for women and men and society.

Exactly what are we going to do to solve this issue?

The issue you are pretending is not an issue? Step one is to point out how dishonest you are being in denying that there is an issue.

Tell people to get married and have kids in their 20s? Thats a recipe for divorce.

And here you are telling people what to do, ie NOT to get married in their 20s.

You keep talking complete shit about not doign that, and here you are doing it.


The more you lie, the more you reveal that you know you have to lie, to defend feminism.


YOU already know that feminism has generated bad results for women, men and society.

Every lie you tell, demonstrates that, again, and again, and again.

 

[Anathema]

Blaming feminism is bunk. Why do you think its a duty for a woman to have kids if she chooses not to? For those that want kids go out and have them. For those that dont, its NOT the nation's business. You make it sound like those women not having kids are some how a threat to the nation. The old tradition of getting married in one's 20s(too young) and having kids is going out the window. Big whoop. This "submit to your husband" nonsense goes against my Christian values.

It’s not about Christian values… it’s about basic biology and psychology and the average member of each gender (of which there are only two). Men and women have different strengths and weaknesses when looked at as a whole. Individual specimens may gravitate towards the opposite gender’s strengths but they are the exceptions not the rule. Once one realizes that life is about Whst one SHOULD do rather than Whst one WANTS to do, the reality of this whole web begins to make sense. Simple as that.

 

[Correll]

I feel no "loss" as you speak of.

Two of your children failed to have children/grandchildren. THat is sad. I stand by my condolences.

Im not promoting anything because its not my business what others do.

Yes you are. YOu are promoting feminism and all the negative effects that have come from that.

You are just being dishonest about that, becuase you have realized how bad the results have been for people.

Want to see the trend increase?

Nope. I want to see people find mates and have families that make them happy and benefit society too.

Tell people that they should be getting married. That will drive them further away.

How about we talk seriously and honestly about the negative impact that feminism has had on people?

That will give people the information to make better choices for themselves.

 

[Correll]

The nation is better off with people waiting until their 30s before getting married.

Look at the lefty NOT telling people what to do....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[initforme]

Look at the lefty NOT telling people what to do....


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Look at you telling us you know what makes people happy. Nice try on the spin. Epic fail. Im for letting people decide for themselves. You on the other hand feel like we should be telling people they need to find a mate. Rejected.

 

[Correll]

Look at you telling us you know what makes people happy.

Correct. I have seen plenty of informative videos on the issue and read studies showing long term decreased happiness for women and men and analysises on the effects on society.

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I have read up on the issue some, enough to discuss it intelligently.

You are advocating one side of hte issue, while pretending to not do that. That is you being dishonest. I am honest and upfront about my intentions and beliefs.


So, you attempt at "you too" or whatever you are doing is retarded.

Nice try on the spin. Epic fail.

No spin, I am discussing the issue seriously and honestly. YOu are the shit talker here.

Everyone can see that I made decent argumentws on how feminism has been bad for women, men and society, while you just played silly games to run away.

Im for letting people decide for themselves. .

you are defending the feminist narrative and model, while denying that you are doing that, so that you can avoid defending their shitty results.

You on the other hand feel like we should be telling people they need to find a mate. Rejected.

Women with families are happier than single women.

Men are suffering from the decline of marriage.

Society is suffering from the results of this.


You are being dishonest.

 

[initforme]

Correct. I have seen plenty of informative videos on the issue and read studies showing long term decreased happiness for women and men and analysises on the effects on society.

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I have read up on the issue some, enough to discuss it intelligently.

You are advocating one side of hte issue, while pretending to not do that. That is you being dishonest. I am honest and upfront about my intentions and beliefs.


So, you attempt at "you too" or whatever you are doing is retarded.



No spin, I am discussing the issue seriously and honestly. YOu are the shit talker here.

Everyone can see that I made decent argumentws on how feminism has been bad for women, men and society, while you just played silly games to run away.







you are defending the feminist narrative and model, while denying that you are doing that, so that you can avoid defending their shitty results.





Women with families are happier than single women.

Men are suffering from the decline of marriage.

Society is suffering from the results of this.


You are being dishonest.

Im not defending any model that is a lie. Im for freedom on the individuals behalf im not sure what you want women to do other than be willing to marry in their 20s to help our men. Acreturn to the 1950s perhaps? I lived thru that godforsaken awful era.

 

[initforme]

Correct. I have seen plenty of informative videos on the issue and read studies showing long term decreased happiness for women and men and analysises on the effects on society.

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I have read up on the issue some, enough to discuss it intelligently.

You are advocating one side of hte issue, while pretending to not do that. That is you being dishonest. I am honest and upfront about my intentions and beliefs.


So, you attempt at "you too" or whatever you are doing is retarded.



No spin, I am discussing the issue seriously and honestly. YOu are the shit talker here.

Everyone can see that I made decent argumentws on how feminism has been bad for women, men and society, while you just played silly games to run away.







you are defending the feminist narrative and model, while denying that you are doing that, so that you can avoid defending their shitty results.





Women with families are happier than single women.

Men are suffering from the decline of marriage.

Society is suffering from the results of this.


You are being dishonest.

Nope. It is you who are preaching that you believe you know what is best for people and society. You are an authoritarian, without a cause.

 

[Correll]

Im not defending any model that is a lie. Im for freedom on the individuals behalf im not sure what you want women to do other than be willing to marry in their 20s to help our men. Acreturn to the 1950s perhaps? I lived thru that godforsaken awful era.

You claim you are neutral and then you push the feminist anti-marriage narrative.

You are lying.


ME? I have told you my position, ie pro-marriage and pro-children and my reasons, which you have not even tried to address.


I am telling the truth about my position and my reasons.


As my reasons are unchallenged by you, I win the debate. My position is supported by strong agruments and my points stand.


If you had any shame, you would conceed now.

Instead you will shit talk some more.

 

[Correll]

Nope. It is you who are preaching that you believe you know what is best for people and society. You are an authoritarian, without a cause.

We are both "preaching" what we believe.


The difference is that I am honest about that and am willing and able to defend my position and my reasons,


while you have to lie.

My "cause" is the well being of my fellow women, men and society in general, as I have repeated explained,


you lying asshole.

 

[initforme]

We are both "preaching" what we believe.


The difference is that I am honest about that and am willing and able to defend my position and my reasons,


while you have to lie.

My "cause" is the well being of my fellow women, men and society in general, as I have repeated explained,


you lying asshole.

Wow. I've touched a nerve. Awesome. Good luck trying to help out our men.

 

[initforme]

I do believe we need to make divorce easier for married people to access.

 

[Correll]

Wow. I've touched a nerve. Awesome. Good luck trying to help out our men.

The fact that you have to lie about my motives, ie I discussed at length that WOMEN and SOCIETY as a whole, are also harmed by the trend of declining marriage,

shows that you know that I am right.


American women would be happier to shit can feminism and reembrace motherhood.

It would also be good for men and society at large.

 

[braalian]

Bare children? Yes.. but in case you didn’t notice, post modern progressive women are more focused on themselves and what makes them immediately happy than an obligation to prevent our society from collapsing.

It takes two to make a baby. A woman cannot bear (not bare) a child without participation from someone with a penis.

If woman’s purpose in life is to be incubators for babies, does that mean our (men) purpose is to spread or seed as much as possible?

How quickly we all become degraded to barnyard animals when our purposes in life are boiled down to procreation

 

[merrill]

We’ve all heard the slogans and demands of modern women these days, the ones who outwardly and unashamedly say “Where are the REAL men?”, “Men are trash” etc. (Imagine if we said that about any other group for a second.. A white guy saying “Where are the REAL blacks? Black People are trash”). Yet, these slogans are completely accepted and happen constantly in mainstream society amidst the feminist cultures that are supported on social media, in the mainstream media, on pretty much all of the left, and even a bit on the right too (Tomi Laughrin, for example).

But, Let’s talk about duties and obligations of the sexes to society and to one another. Men’s are well known for 3 reasons:

1. We want to do them for the good of society and to love those we seek
2. It’s in our behavioral psychology to provide them
3. Modern women complain about and list them constantly

What are those duties and obligations?

1. Protect women from harm
2. Provide most of your resources to them, pay for them, court them.
3. Build society, infrastructure, and do the hard jobs/labor that are difficult, dangerous, etc. so they don’t have to
4. Protect society, be the enforcement (Police, military, etc.) so they are safe
5. Be a leader and “step up” aka improve to attain them
6. Put up with mistreatment, get slapped/hit and don’t retaliate because “men just aren’t supposed to do that”
7. do things for her, sweep her off her feet

Assuming all of these are true (and it’s hard to argue they aren’t).. in return, what are women supposed to offer to society and to their boyfriend, husband/partner? What does our feminist society say what a “Real woman” should be? I really can’t think of anything. Traditional women have some answers, but that’s not the what our society promotes (it actually demonized it with references to slavery, Handmaids tale, etc.). Modern women regularly publicly tee off on men, while simultaneously being blind to the protections and support men provide them (Feminism can only exist in a 1st world country). Meanwhile, society, leftists, and feminist speakers offer no things women SHOULD do for their men, or for society, at least I don’t see any of it in the mainstream.

It’s usually about what women should receive.
1. Be a girl boss! Get yours girl!
2. You’re fine the way you are.
3. Don’t put up with any commanding or leading, it’s abuse (while saying find a “real” man who can lead)
4. He should pay, he should be a gentleman. Chivalry.
5. He should make me feel safe.

The latest data shows bad trends.. We see a massive growth in young single men, men who aren’t seeking women, etc. And it sadly makes sense. Why would they seek a group that has been largely inspired by an ideology (Feminism) to hold disdain for them, accuse them of conspiring to oppress them in a mythical “Patriarchy”, and even if a man provides protections and provisions to them personally or in society, it’s completely ignored and it’s completely acceptable to degrade them, mock them, etc. There’s nothing in it for men, at least when dealing with the modern woman, leftist woman, and even some right wing women who are too caught up in societal norms.

Before I offer any prescriptions, confirm that I’m not saying men should NOT do their duties and obligations (or at least try), and without having to explain why it’s necessary for both sides to sacrifice and offer their duties/obligations to one another (leftists, that equality/equity rhetoric can come back to bite you here).. can anyone on here think of a duty or obligation our feminist modern society demands of modern women? Are there any lectures or pressures on them of what they “ought to do” to be considered a “Real woman”? And do so for their man or for society? By all means, the floor is yours.

love women they are wonderful ..........

 

[merrill]

The fact that you have to lie about my motives, ie I discussed at length that WOMEN and SOCIETY as a whole, are also harmed by the trend of declining marriage,

shows that you know that I am right.


American women would be happier to shit can feminism and reembrace motherhood.

It would also be good for men and society at large.

what nonsense.......you stay home and raise children at no less than 80 hours a week.