Was this outcome anticipated? If it wasn't, why not?

Maersk, a bellwether for global trade, suspends two key shipping services due to Iran war​

Danish shipping giant Maersk on Friday temporarily suspended two services linking the Middle East to Asia and Europe as the Iran war continues to disrupt global supply chains.

The company, widely regarded as a barometer of global trade, said the decision to halt the FM1 service, connecting the Far East to the Middle East, and the ME11 Service, linking the Middle East to Europe, was a precautionary measure to ensure the safety of its personnel and vessels.

It comes as the U.S. and Israeli-led war on Iran enters its seventh day, with the expanding conflict resulting in the effective halt of shipping traffic through the strategically vital Strait of Hormuz.

The waterway is a key, narrow maritime corridor that connects the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. Roughly 20% of global oil and gas typically passes through it.

Container shipping giants, however, have suspended operations through the Strait of Hormuz since the U.S. and Israel launched attacks on Iran on Feb. 28 and rerouted vessels around the southern tip of Africa.

WTI crude tops $86, hits highest level since April 2024, Brent crude breaks above $89 a barrel​


Iran borders the Straight of Hormuz, through which 20% of the world's oil is shipped. Anyone familiar with the geography of the region knows this. And they knew how disruptive to shipping through the straight an attack on Iran would be. You'd have to be a moron not to understand this.

Begging the question, is the inevitable impact of trump's war with Iran the reason he did not take the legal route of seeking the approval of Congress to start it? Is it part of the plan?

Or one could ask, was a spike in the price of oil anticipated but dismissed as a price to be paid by US consumers (like the tariffs have been) worthy of the end game? I guess we'd have to know what the end game is before answering that question. Was it regime change?

Son of Khamenei Is Top Contender for Supreme Leader

Mojtaba Khamenei would likely lead country in even more hard-line direction


If it was, the war trump unnecessarily started was a reckless roll of the dice. The narrative for the rationale to start the war has constantly shifted leaving the timing of the off ramp in doubt. If Khamenei's kid becomes the leader does the war go on until he is killed too? Do we keep killing Iran's chosen leader until they pick one the master of regime change likes? If oil breaks over $90 a barrel does that change the calculus for ending the war?

Are members of the regime asking themselves these questions? Or is the US hostage to an oft used approach of trump's he has articulated quite often?

Trump’s catchphrase for any circumstance: “We’ll see”​

WASHINGTON (AP) — When in doubt, President Donald Trump has a ready-made response to any questions: “We’ll see.”

On Wednesday, Trump delivered his go-to line repeatedly. Asked if he would tie debt ceiling legislation to Harvey relief: “We’ll see.” On his plans for an increasingly aggressive North Korea: “We’ll see.” And on efforts to work with the Chinese president: “We’ll see how that works out.”

seems like all you do is change a couple nouns and verbs and then repost the same article.
 
Unconditional surrender is a bit of a troubling declaration, what does it really mean?
It means do what we say and you will prosper.
Don't do what we say and you will be punished, powerplants, desalinization plants, and oil infrastructure are in the crosshairs.
The threat of nuclear strikes on a civilian population throughout Iran?
no
Is it possible that they will use that as the last card if all else fail?
no
Very disturbing thoughts.
The easy "off ramp" is to walk away and tell Iran if they restart their nuclear or missile or drone programs, we will "mow the grass" again. They might think twice. I not, we do this again in a few years.
 
Trump did NOTHING to protect Iranians. He's murdering children with his war.

No, Iran is murdering their own children by using them as human shields. You’d think one of you would condemn that, as of yet, none of you have. You give Iran a pass on that so you can keep blaming trump.

What would you say if the US did this tactic?
 
No, Iran is murdering their own children by using them as human shields. You’d think one of you would condemn that, as of yet, none of you have. You give Iran a pass on that so you can keep blaming trump.

What would you say if the US did this tactic?

The USA is murdering their own children. Gun violence is the largest cause of deal of American children. You do nothing about the thousands of children who are gunned down every year. On average, 2500 American children die every year from gun violence.

And please, *****, drop that "blaming Trump" bullshit. Trump is being blamed for started an illegal war that he promised would never happen. The Mullahs are total assholes, but that is NOT your problem to solve.
 
No, Iran is murdering their own children by using them as human shields. You’d think one of you would condemn that, as of yet, none of you have. You give Iran a pass on that so you can keep blaming trump.

What would you say if the US did this tactic?
We attacked Iran. :icon_rolleyes:
 
Are members of the regime asking themselves these questions? Or is the US hostage to an oft used approach of trump's he has articulated quite often?
Iran has begun laying mines in the Strait of Hormuz. To the surprise of absolutely NO ONE outside the administration. We're attacking those boats now. How many mines are already in there? How many more will there be? How will this affect shipping in the future?

Who knows! Trump sure doesn't. Hegseth doesn't. Rubio doesn't. The useful idiots sure as hell don't. Why SHOULD they? This was going to be a quick "special military operation". But at least Hegseth & Rubio compliment Trump a lot, and that's what really matters.
 
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Iran has begun laying mines in the Strait of Hormuz. To the surprise of absolutely NO ONE outside the administration. We're attacking those boats now. How many mines are already in there? How many more will there be? How will this affect shipping in the future?

Who knows! Trump sure doesn't. Hegseth doesn't. Rubio doesn't. The useful idiots sure as hell don't. Why SHOULD they? This was going to be a quick "special military operation". But at least Hegseth & Rubio compliment Trump a lot, and that's what really matters.
Chris Wright doesn't either.

How Trump and His Advisers Miscalculated Iran’s Response to War​

On Feb. 18, as President Trump weighed whether to launch military attacks on Iran, Chris Wright, the energy secretary, told an interviewer he was not concerned that the looming war might disrupt oil supplies in the Middle East and wreak havoc in energy markets.

Even during the Israeli and U.S. strikes against Iran last June, Mr. Wright said, there had been little disruption in the markets. “Oil prices blipped up and then went back down,” he said. Some of Mr. Trump’s other advisers shared similar views in private, dismissing warnings that — the second time around — Iran might wage economic warfare by closing shipping lanes carrying roughly 20 percent of the world’s oil supply.

The extent of that miscalculation was laid bare in recent days, as Iran threatened to fire at commercial oil tankers transiting the Strait of Hormuz, the strategic choke point through which all ships must pass on their way out of the Persian Gulf. In response to the Iranian threats, commercial shipping has come to a standstill in the Gulf, oil prices have spiked, and the Trump administration has scrambled to find ways to tamp down an economic crisis that has triggered higher gasoline prices for Americans.


The last 48 hours has seen the clown car careening all over the place. trump said the war was nearing an end, then it wasn't. Hegseth emphatically stated we'd be bombing the shit out of Iran with all the bravado of a school boy bully. Chris Wright posted to social media a false claim that the US has escorted an oil tanker through the Strait of Hormuz, only to immediately delete the post. Sen. Chris Murphy revealed a briefing given to senators by the regime claimed the goal of the war was not to compromise Iran's nuclear weapon capabilities which was contradicted hours later by statements from the regime.

The biggest takeaway for me is it's become clear the orange piece of shit is managing the war according to how the oil market responds. $100 oil is politically intolerable and while the war planning is arranged to keep it below that level Iran has a say in the matter. If Iran's leadership decides to exact revenge on the US the price of oil is its most powerful weapon. Which is why the convicted criminal and rapist known as trump is freaking out over Iran's control of the strait. Shaking his rattle rather loudly with threats of terrible bombardments the likes of which have never seen before.

The thing is, the new Supreme Leader had his father killed by our ally, Israel. He may not be in a mood stop the blockade of oil tankers any time soon. Which is why when our Energy Secretary, one of Dotard's "best people," said he was not concerned that the looming war might disrupt oil supplies in the Middle East and wreak havoc in energy markets, he got it dead wrong.
 
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Chris Wright doesn't either.

How Trump and His Advisers Miscalculated Iran’s Response to War​

On Feb. 18, as President Trump weighed whether to launch military attacks on Iran, Chris Wright, the energy secretary, told an interviewer he was not concerned that the looming war might disrupt oil supplies in the Middle East and wreak havoc in energy markets.

Even during the Israeli and U.S. strikes against Iran last June, Mr. Wright said, there had been little disruption in the markets. “Oil prices blipped up and then went back down,” he said. Some of Mr. Trump’s other advisers shared similar views in private, dismissing warnings that — the second time around — Iran might wage economic warfare by closing shipping lanes carrying roughly 20 percent of the world’s oil supply.

The extent of that miscalculation was laid bare in recent days, as Iran threatened to fire at commercial oil tankers transiting the Strait of Hormuz, the strategic choke point through which all ships must pass on their way out of the Persian Gulf. In response to the Iranian threats, commercial shipping has come to a standstill in the Gulf, oil prices have spiked, and the Trump administration has scrambled to find ways to tamp down an economic crisis that has triggered higher gasoline prices for Americans.


The last 48 hours has seen the clown car careening all over the place. trump said the war was nearing an end, then it wasn't. Hegseth emphatically stated we'd be bombing the shit out of Iran with all the bravado of a school boy bully. Chris Wright posted to social media a false claim that the US has escorted an oil tanker through the Straight of Hormuz, only to immediately delete the post. Sen. Chris Murphy revealed a briefing given to senators by the regime claimed the goal of the war was not to compromise Iran's nuclear weapon capabilities which was contradicted hours later by statements from the regime.

The biggest takeaway for me is it's become clear the orange piece of shit is managing the war according to how the oil market responds. $100 oil is politically intolerable and while the war planning is arranged to keep it below that level Iran has a say in the matter. If Iran's leadership decides to exact revenge on the US the price of oil is its most powerful weapon. Which is why the convicted criminal and rapist known as trump is freaking out over Iran's control of the straight. Shaking his rattle rather loudly with threats of terrible bombardments the likes of which have never seen before.

The thing is, the new Supreme Leader had his father killed by our ally, Israel. He may not be in a mood stop the blockade of oil tankers any time soon. Which is why when our Energy Secretary, one of Dotard's "best people," said he was not concerned that the looming war might disrupt oil supplies in the Middle East and wreak havoc in energy markets, he got it dead wrong.
This is just inexplicable. Who in the world thought that Iran would just lay down? Does Wright not communicate with anyone else in the administration, particularly in State?

Oh, wait. State is now run and occupied by mindless sycophants whose primary skillset is kissing orange ass.

Maybe he could have talked to a goddamn General or two? Maybe a Pentagon janitor or receptionist?
 
This is just inexplicable. Who in the world thought that Iran would just lay down? Does Wright not communicate with anyone else in the administration, particularly in State?

Oh, wait. State is now run and occupied by mindless sycophants whose primary skillset is kissing orange ass.

Maybe he could have talked to a goddamn General or two? Maybe a Pentagon janitor or receptionist?
One of the more comical moments during the interview given by the guy who paid a $2M fine for stealing money from a charity was when he claimed he anticipated the shock to the oil market he caused. Saying he thought the price would have gone higher. It will as time goes by unless Iran relents on the blockade.
 
Gee, who could have seen this coming?

Three cargo ships struck off Iran’s coast, UK says, including one in Strait of Hormuz​

Three vessels off Iran’s coast have been struck by projectiles, the United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations said on Wednesday, the latest in a flurry of incidents reported in or near the Strait of Hormuz.

One of the ships reported it had been struck 11 nautical miles north of Oman in the Strait of Hormuz, causing a fire onboard and forcing the crew to evacuate, the UKMTO said, without identifying the vessels.

Two other incidents were also reported on Wednesday morning, with one vessel struck by a projectile about 50 nautical miles northwest of Dubai and another sustaining damage off the coast of the United Arab Emirates.


The next step in the war belonging to the guy who had an adulterous, sexual affair with a porn star may be to try to take control of the Strait of Hormuz. Getting oil tankers flowing out of the gulf now being priority #1.
 
It should be clear that no matter what Trump does or doesn't do, Democrats will SPIN it into negative propaganda. They did the same thing to Bush. BLAST 100% negative coverage out 24/7 over the fake news. Keep blasting it out there. Keeping fabricating lie after lie. Blast it 24/7 in the hopes that you can fool enough people into believing it to RIG elections for Democrats.

We get it, the Dem assholes can't win on the issues. They have no leaders, ideas or solutions. Propaganda is all they got.

You don't have to "spin" Trump's mistakes into "negative propaganda". Nearly everything he does has a bad outcome.

His tariff's have resulted in negative job creation, higher prices, and a loss of foreign investment in manufacturing. He's bombed 8 different countries since he took office, and started a war with Iran.

Then there's his killing American civilians in the streets. Cutting poor people off their health insurance and food stamps, to fund tax breaks for the wealthy.
 
This is just inexplicable. Who in the world thought that Iran would just lay down? Does Wright not communicate with anyone else in the administration, particularly in State?

Oh, wait. State is now run and occupied by mindless sycophants whose primary skillset is kissing orange ass.

Maybe he could have talked to a goddamn General or two? Maybe a Pentagon janitor or receptionist?

They fired all of the Generals, and kept only those who would go along to get along.
 
No, Iran is murdering their own children by using them as human shields. You’d think one of you would condemn that, as of yet, none of you have. You give Iran a pass on that so you can keep blaming trump.

What would you say if the US did this tactic?
None of Trump`s bombs killed any children? The murderers are those who start wars.
 
The USA is murdering their own children. Gun violence is the largest cause of deal of American children.

So, who do you blame for this?


You do nothing about the thousands of children who are gunned down every year. On average, 2500 American children die every year from gun violence.

And we should keep guns out of the hands of murderers. Currently, civilians own about 500 million guns across the United States. Our cotus allows us to own guns. So, you need to repeal the second amendment, and then you need to go door to door rounding up all the guns. We do what we can to prevent gun deaths, but you’re walking up a steep hill to try and ban all guns in the US.

And please, *****, drop that "blaming Trump" bullshit. Trump is being blamed for started an illegal war that he promised would never happen. The Mullahs are total assholes, but that is NOT your problem to solve.

It is about blaming trump, I’ve not heard a single lefty condemn Iran for this, but they’ll blame trump all day every day.

So, if Iran were to set off a nuclear bomb in the US and killed 10,000 people, are you saying we couldn’t retaliate because they use their citizens as human shields?

It’s a shitty proposition, but we warn them before bombs get dropped, the Iran government forces them to stay. But I guess in you’re eyes, Iran could kill 10,000 Americans and completely get away with it.
 
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We attacked Iran. :icon_rolleyes:

Yes we did, but since lefty’s are against this, I say to hell with it, let Iran do what they want and when they build a nuclear bomb, and attack Israel or even American interests overseas or even America itself, oh well..right?
 
None of Trump`s bombs killed any children? The murderers are those who start wars.

If the Iran attacked the US and trump put children in and around the military assets, who would you blame when they were killed?
 
So, who do you blame for this?

And we should keep guns out of the hands of murderers. Currently, civilians own about 500 million guns across the United States. Our cotus allows us to own guns. So, you need to repeal the second amendment, and then you need to go door to door rounding up all the guns. We do what we can to prevent gun deaths, but you’re walking up a steep hill to try and ban all guns in the US.

You don't need to ban guns or have people going door to door to take guns away from people.

60% of Canadian households own guns, but handguns are strictly regulated, and you have to prove a NEED to carry a handgun. It makes it easy for the police to tell the good guys from the bad guys. Anyone with a handgun is a criminal.
 
You don't need to ban guns or have people going door to door to take guns away from people.

60% of Canadian households own guns, but handguns are strictly regulated, and you have to prove a NEED to carry a handgun. It makes it easy for the police to tell the good guys from the bad guys. Anyone with a handgun is a criminal.
Try that here in the States and you'll have another American Revolution.
 

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