Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[hobelim]

Because they were polytheists

What the hell do you think you are by worshipping a trinity that became an edible mangod??

Take your time....

 

[toobfreak]

If you are saying some choices are an illusion but not all choices are an illusion, then why aren't all choices an illusion? I think a better way of describing our reality is that it is a temporary or alternate reality. It's not an illusion. But I fundamentally disagree with you. I believe everything is choice. We control our destiny. We control our fate.

A zoo animal isn't free period.

Fate and destiny do not negate free will. Free will determines fate and destiny.

I'm not ridiculing you. I am trying to understand the basis for your beliefs. While simultaneously sharing mine. It's not a competition. You don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you. That doesn't mean we can't share why we believe what we believe.

Again... I'm not trying to ridicule you. I'm trying to understand the basis for your beliefs.

Sure, but the only way I will understand why you believe what you do is for you to tell me.

Sure. I know my experiences but I don't know your experiences.

I understand that. That's how it works for me too but I can always explain the why because what comes to me makes sense.

I'm only asking questions aimed at understanding why you believe what you do.

Fine. You can never know my understanding or experiences (in fact, if I told you, you would not believe it) and it really is tiresome trying to explain stuff best learned on one's own, which only leads to more questions here, as witnessed in fact.

Also, I tried explaining this stuff a little to someone here once in PM who was interested, and it famously bombed. I killed myself explaining it all and it all probably just went right over their head. One of the great things in life especially true of religious doctrine is that people learn what they are ready to learn when they become ready to learn it. Best not to try to FORCE things on people they are not ready and receptive to.

Third, it is not a belief. Now I know that begs yet another question, but you'll just have to leave it at that.

You are asking questions whose answers involve a lifetime of study, work and experience, so I bow out. No one is paying me to teach here and this is not the place. Worse, what is involved is like PhD material compared to the Bible, very much harder. The Bible is like checkers compared to trilateral to rectilinear tessellated chess.

Lastly, I'm tired, Dude. This stuff consumes a lot of brain energy and I don't sleep well. I'm taking a break.

And very lastly, I'm not at all interested in proving anything to anyone. If folks believe me, take me at my word, hear something in my statements that ring true in them, great. If not, if this stuff irks you, probably not a subject that person should bother with.

So, I will circle back to the original thought: no one knows for sure whether Adam and Eve were real, actual people or the whole GoE story is metaphorical. But I'll go out on a limb and say I'm pretty certain they were NOT the first two people on Earth.

 

[BreezeWood]

We vote for politicians. We don't serve them, they serve us. I didn't close the border, I voted for the politician who said he would close the border.
You Harris whores need to get over your defeat, while God protects our President from your assassins.

Thou shalt not kill is God's idea. Murder is yours...

there is a difference -

speaking of paradise, what would that be for ram ... photo id required.

did the heavens protect jesus from the desert dwellers - again, ram shows her true colours.

 

[Woodznutz]

Indeed, you've got a single verse explicitly saying Eve ate of the fruit.
And every other verse mentioning Adam eating "of the tree."

What does the distinction indicate?

The only distinction I can see that most miss is that Adam didn't willingly eat the fruit. Eve nagged him into eating it.

 

[rylah]

The only distinction I can see is that Adam didn't willingly eat the fruit. Eve nagged him into eating it.

Where do you see the that?

Point to the verse.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The only distinction I can see that most miss is that Adam didn't willingly eat the fruit. Eve nagged him into eating it.

Then he willingly ate it.

Problem solved.

 

[rylah]

Then he willingly ate it.

Problem solved.

"Very good."

 

[ding]

What the hell do you think you are by worshipping a trinity that became an edible mangod??

Take your time....

A Christian. Who the hell do you think you are insulting my religious beliefs?

 

[ding]

Fine. You can never know my understanding or experiences (in fact, if I told you, you would not believe it) and it really is tiresome trying to explain stuff best learned on one's own, which only leads to more questions here, as witnessed in fact.

Also, I tried explaining this stuff a little to someone here once in PM who was interested, and it famously bombed. I killed myself explaining it all and it all probably just went right over their head. One of the great things in life especially true of religious doctrine is that people learn what they are ready to learn when they become ready to learn it. Best not to try to FORCE things on people they are not ready and receptive to.

Third, it is not a belief. Now I know that begs yet another question, but you'll just have to leave it at that.

You are asking questions whose answers involve a lifetime of study, work and experience, so I bow out. No one is paying me to teach here and this is not the place. Worse, what is involved is like PhD material compared to the Bible, very much harder. The Bible is like checkers compared to trilateral to rectilinear tessellated chess.

Lastly, I'm tired, Dude. This stuff consumes a lot of brain energy and I don't sleep well. I'm taking a break.

And very lastly, I'm not at all interested in proving anything to anyone. If folks believe me, take me at my word, hear something in my statements that ring true in them, great. If not, if this stuff irks you, probably not a subject that person should bother with.

So, I will circle back to the original thought: no one knows for sure whether Adam and Eve were real, actual people or the whole GoE story is metaphorical. But I'll go out on a limb and say I'm pretty certain they were NOT the first two people on Earth.

Nice chatting with you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

"Very good."

The entire story is laughable. If it is to be taken seriously, it makes the Bible god character look like a vain, unethical dick.

 

[Ace Nova]

The flesh, teaching, the fruit of the tree is what is forbidden. For instance Idolatry is a sin under penalty of death a curse. So it follows that in the very day someone like ding or Ace Nova set aside what they knew was condemned by God and ate the fruit of the forbidden tree, a despicable deceiver who told them they could commit idolatry and not die but will instead live forever ( after they died) derp. they died and descended into the netherworld, hell, the realm of the dead, where they remain tormented day and night by reality which contradicts their vile beliefs day and night like a consuming fire that will never go out.

You can understand God the Father when it comes to logic, knowledge, intelligence and so forth because that is what God The Father Is. You can (try) to understand him and not have an ounce of true faith.

You can understand the teachings of the Prophets and the teachings of the Son - because they are a reflection of what God the Father is.

But without true faith in the Spirit of God, you will never find what you are looking for. The Eternal Spirit of God encompasses it all. When God the Father, God the Son and The Spirit are in balance - it is the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit Encompasses the 7 Spirits of God's Virtues.

1) The Spirit of the LORD
2) The Spirit of Wisdom
3) The Spirit of Understanding
4) The Spirit of Counsel
5) The Spirit of Power
6) The Spirit of Knowledge
7) The Spirit of the fear of the Lord (Respect, Humility and Reverence)


John 13:

6. He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, “Lord, are you going to wash my feet?”

7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”

8“No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.”

Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”

With this action, Jesus taught what it means to accept the 7th Spirit of God. Peter had to accept the 3rd Spirit of God (Understanding through faith) - so that Jesus could teach what it means to manifest the 7th Spirit of God.

Peter could have "no part in him" because one needs to accept all 7 Spirits of God in order for the Holy Spirit to manifest itself.


The mark of the Beast is 666 - signifying the archetype that worships and accepts only the 6th Spirit of God 3 times as: Knowledge as the Father, Knowledge as the Son and Knowledge as "Spirit" - Never accepting The Spirit of the LORD, The Spirit of Wisdom, The Spirit of Understanding, The Spirit of Council, The Spirit of Power, and the 7th divine Spirit of God - Respect and Reverence.

It manifests itself through the 6th deadly Sin three times as: 6 Apathy (Mind) 6 Sloth (Body) 6 Indifference (Spirit)



THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATE - IT IS INDIFFERENCE.