Warehouse Robots Improve Efficiency by 800%; How Will Workers Survive in this Future?

[sealybobo]

This is an example of how the Third Industrial or Digital Revolution is making human labor obsolete. How will working class people survive with 90% unemployment rates? How will conservatives adjust their rhetoric to survive? Will we see socialism take over both parties?

These warehouse robots can boost productivity by 800%

Hopefully we downsize. In the future, maybe people don't have kids or have as many kids. And poor people should stop having kids. Maybe eventually we won't have poor people. Cut the population in half.

Why are you so fascinated with keeping poor people from procreating?

Of all the endeavors known to man that is the least likely to every be successful.

I don't want there to be poor people in the future. Think avatar. Were any of those people hungry? Unemployed? World Population Clock: 7.4 Billion People (2016) - Worldometers

7 billion 400 million reasons why

There were no poor people in Avatar. The blue people lived off the land.

How are Republicans going to make America great again when they don't want to pay workers anymore than $15 hr? Great again for who?

 

[Asclepias]

This is an example of how the Third Industrial or Digital Revolution is making human labor obsolete. How will working class people survive with 90% unemployment rates? How will conservatives adjust their rhetoric to survive? Will we see socialism take over both parties?

These warehouse robots can boost productivity by 800%

Hopefully we downsize. In the future, maybe people don't have kids or have as many kids. And poor people should stop having kids. Maybe eventually we won't have poor people. Cut the population in half.

Why are you so fascinated with keeping poor people from procreating?

Of all the endeavors known to man that is the least likely to every be successful.

I don't want there to be poor people in the future. Think avatar. Were any of those people hungry? Unemployed? World Population Clock: 7.4 Billion People (2016) - Worldometers

7 billion 400 million reasons why

There were no poor people in Avatar. The blue people lived off the land.

How are Republicans going to make America great again when they don't want to pay workers anymore than $15 hr? Great again for who?

I dont recall a time when america was great. Repubs are the least likely to make it great. In the capitalistic system you determine your own worth. Dont settle for $15 hr.

 

[EverCurious]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

 

[bripat9643]

The maintenance crews in these so called robots warehouses are still quite large. Throw in refrigerated warehouses and the maintenance crews grow even larger.

And the pay tends to be pretty good if you're strong in motor controls, energy management and refrigeration.

40 an hour or so plus very liberal benefits. Stock options like 3 for 1 and so on. Don't bother applying if you're afraid of heights.

Which will last until maintenance is performed by maintenance robots.

What we're discussing here is called "the singularity," which is the day that computers become smarter than human beings and take over the world. There won't be any task that computers/robots won't be able to do, and do it far better than a human.

That will never happen. A computer can only do what it was programmed for. All its doing is reading binary code that a human compiled since it cant think for itself.

Wrong. Computers have been designed that can learn just like a human. When they become powerful enough, they will take over the world, that is, they will if they want to.

 

[bripat9643]

Hopefully we downsize. In the future, maybe people don't have kids or have as many kids. And poor people should stop having kids. Maybe eventually we won't have poor people. Cut the population in half.

Why are you so fascinated with keeping poor people from procreating?

Of all the endeavors known to man that is the least likely to every be successful.

I don't want there to be poor people in the future. Think avatar. Were any of those people hungry? Unemployed? World Population Clock: 7.4 Billion People (2016) - Worldometers

7 billion 400 million reasons why

There were no poor people in Avatar. The blue people lived off the land.

How are Republicans going to make America great again when they don't want to pay workers anymore than $15 hr? Great again for who?

I dont recall a time when america was great. Repubs are the least likely to make it great. In the capitalistic system you determine your own worth. Dont settle for $15 hr.

We all know you hate America, so what's your point?

 

[Asclepias]

The maintenance crews in these so called robots warehouses are still quite large. Throw in refrigerated warehouses and the maintenance crews grow even larger.

And the pay tends to be pretty good if you're strong in motor controls, energy management and refrigeration.

40 an hour or so plus very liberal benefits. Stock options like 3 for 1 and so on. Don't bother applying if you're afraid of heights.

Which will last until maintenance is performed by maintenance robots.

What we're discussing here is called "the singularity," which is the day that computers become smarter than human beings and take over the world. There won't be any task that computers/robots won't be able to do, and do it far better than a human.

That will never happen. A computer can only do what it was programmed for. All its doing is reading binary code that a human compiled since it cant think for itself.

Wrong. Computers have been designed that can learn just like a human. When they become powerful enough, they will take over the world, that is, they will if they want to.

No. They simulate learning. Its not true intelligence. Why do you think humans can create something that thinks since they cant even figure out how it is humans think?

 

[Asclepias]

Why are you so fascinated with keeping poor people from procreating?

Of all the endeavors known to man that is the least likely to every be successful.

I don't want there to be poor people in the future. Think avatar. Were any of those people hungry? Unemployed? World Population Clock: 7.4 Billion People (2016) - Worldometers

7 billion 400 million reasons why

There were no poor people in Avatar. The blue people lived off the land.

How are Republicans going to make America great again when they don't want to pay workers anymore than $15 hr? Great again for who?

I dont recall a time when america was great. Repubs are the least likely to make it great. In the capitalistic system you determine your own worth. Dont settle for $15 hr.

We all know you hate America, so what's your point?

That was a nonsensical reply or you are too stupid to read.

 

[bripat9643]

What we're discussing here is called "the singularity," which is the day that computers become smarter than human beings and take over the world. There won't be any task that computers/robots won't be able to do, and do it far better than a human.

Computers will never be "smart."

We create ever more sophisticated applications, but the reality is that intelligence from a computer will never happen. We can develop applications that adapt to conditions, but only only predetermined parameters. What cannot be programmed into binary computers is curiosity. It is for this reason that intelligence is an impossibility, regardless of how clever programers are at emulating it. Intelligence in machines is always an illusion, and always will be.

Sorry, but most experts disagree. Designers are working on computers that mimic the functions of the human brain. There is theoretically no reason that a computer can't do anything the human brain does. They have already built computers that learn, just like humans.

Experts predict that singularity may arrive as early as 20 years from now.

 

[EverCurious]

Computers can only do that "human-like" learning because of the programing /we/ put into them and /we/ can pull the plug anytime we want by changing the code, by removing their power source, or any other number of things. We would have to /allow/ them to take over, they would not be able to do so on their own. Kind of like we put automatic braking and auto parking in cars - we /choose/ to let the car do this because it benefits us. If the computer starts randomly braking for no reason, we're going to have the computer fixed. Same concept for "intelligent" computers.

 

[Unkotare]

This is an example of how the Third Industrial or Digital Revolution is making human labor obsolete. How will working class people survive with 90% unemployment rates? How will conservatives adjust their rhetoric to survive? Will we see socialism take over both parties?

These warehouse robots can boost productivity by 800%

Hopefully we downsize. In the future, maybe people don't have kids or have as many kids. And poor people should stop having kids. Maybe eventually we won't have poor people. Cut the population in half.

Why are you so fascinated with keeping poor people from procreating?

Of all the endeavors known to man that is the least likely to every be successful.

I don't want there to be poor people in the future. ...y

There will be. There will also stupid people like you, fish.

 

[Asclepias]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

They call that the american dream for a reason. Its a carrot. In the capitalistic system it is required that there are some haves and have nots. If everyone was a "have" the system would fall apart.

 

[bripat9643]

The maintenance crews in these so called robots warehouses are still quite large. Throw in refrigerated warehouses and the maintenance crews grow even larger.

And the pay tends to be pretty good if you're strong in motor controls, energy management and refrigeration.

40 an hour or so plus very liberal benefits. Stock options like 3 for 1 and so on. Don't bother applying if you're afraid of heights.

Which will last until maintenance is performed by maintenance robots.

What we're discussing here is called "the singularity," which is the day that computers become smarter than human beings and take over the world. There won't be any task that computers/robots won't be able to do, and do it far better than a human.

That will never happen. A computer can only do what it was programmed for. All its doing is reading binary code that a human compiled since it cant think for itself.

Wrong. Computers have been designed that can learn just like a human. When they become powerful enough, they will take over the world, that is, they will if they want to.

No. They simulate learning. Its not true intelligence. Why do you think humans can create something that thinks since they cant even figure out how it is humans think?

You're wrong, as usual. If the simulation can't be distinguished from the real thing, then how do you know it isn't actually thinking?

Researchers have been working for years on computers that perform the same functions as the human brain, and medicine has been diligently making progress on understanding how the brain works.

It's almost a certainty that someday humanity will wake up and learn that computers are in charge of the planet.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sorry, but most experts disagree. Designers are working on computers that mimic the functions of the human brain. There is theoretically no reason that a computer can't do anything the human brain does. They have already built computers that learn, just like humans.

Experts predict that singularity may arrive as early as 20 years from now.

This is why I specified "binary computers."

I realize that there are people working in quantum and organic computing. IF, and it is a big if, this ever develops, the rules of computing may change drastically.

 

[EverCurious]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

They call that the american dream for a reason. Its a carrot. In the capitalistic system it is required that there are some haves and have nots. If everyone was a "have" the system would fall apart.

I can agree with there being haves and have nots, though I do not see it as a "bad thing" (I'm guessing you do heh) Some folks would be perfectly content with mere survival, food on the table and a roof over their head - and I do actually think we can achieve this as a nation, (however, the methods currently being attempted (socialism and such) is not the answer - tech however, is a more viable long-term solution.) Those who want more than food and a home though should be willing to do something for it yes?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

Being born here in America means we have just as much right to the protection of our working class interests as the major retailers have in protecting THEIR interests.

If yo are going to say no borders for anyone, then let me go buy my stuff over the internet from India and China without paying import tariffs and we can all enjoy cheap third world costs TODAY.

But US retailers and manufacturers wont hear of that, oh, no, we have to protect their profit margins, even if it means we starve.

So till we get rid of ALL tariffs, we US workers have jsut as much right to get laws passed on our favor as the corrupt corporate capitalists do.

Period.

 

[Asclepias]

Which will last until maintenance is performed by maintenance robots.

What we're discussing here is called "the singularity," which is the day that computers become smarter than human beings and take over the world. There won't be any task that computers/robots won't be able to do, and do it far better than a human.

That will never happen. A computer can only do what it was programmed for. All its doing is reading binary code that a human compiled since it cant think for itself.

Wrong. Computers have been designed that can learn just like a human. When they become powerful enough, they will take over the world, that is, they will if they want to.

No. They simulate learning. Its not true intelligence. Why do you think humans can create something that thinks since they cant even figure out how it is humans think?

You're wrong, as usual. If the simulation can't be distinguished from the real thing, then how do you know it isn't actually thinking?

Researchers have been working for years on computers that perform the same functions as the human brain, and medicine has been diligently making progress on understanding how the brain works.

It's almost a certainty that someday humanity will wake up and learn that computers are in charge of the planet.

But it can be distinguished from real learning. Hence why its called a simulation. How do I know its not actually thinking? Its a machine and machines dont think.

No machines will never be in charge of the world. They will always be a tool just like fire was the first tool man use to manipulate its environment.

 

[EverCurious]

Which will last until maintenance is performed by maintenance robots.

What we're discussing here is called "the singularity," which is the day that computers become smarter than human beings and take over the world. There won't be any task that computers/robots won't be able to do, and do it far better than a human.

That will never happen. A computer can only do what it was programmed for. All its doing is reading binary code that a human compiled since it cant think for itself.

Wrong. Computers have been designed that can learn just like a human. When they become powerful enough, they will take over the world, that is, they will if they want to.

No. They simulate learning. Its not true intelligence. Why do you think humans can create something that thinks since they cant even figure out how it is humans think?

You're wrong, as usual. If the simulation can't be distinguished from the real thing, then how do you know it isn't actually thinking?

Researchers have been working for years on computers that perform the same functions as the human brain, and medicine has been diligently making progress on understanding how the brain works.

It's almost a certainty that someday humanity will wake up and learn that computers are in charge of the planet.

uhm where have you been, computers are already in charge of the planet - we still pull the strings.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Computers can only do that "human-like" learning because of the programing /we/ put into them and /we/ can pull the plug anytime we want by changing the code, by removing their power source, or any other number of things. We would have to /allow/ them to take over, they would not be able to do so on their own. Kind of like we put automatic braking and auto parking in cars - we /choose/ to let the car do this because it benefits us. If the computer starts randomly braking for no reason, we're going to have the computer fixed. Same concept for "intelligent" computers.

the same economics that is driving cheap black market and guest worker labor ias also driving the development of robotic labor that can work 24/7, gets no pay and has no sick days.

So it WILL happen unless something heads it off first.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I can agree with there being haves and have nots, though I do not see it as a "bad thing" (I'm guessing you do heh) Some folks would be perfectly content with mere survival, food on the table and a roof over their head - and I do actually think we can achieve this as a nation, (however, the methods currently being attempted (socialism and such) is not the answer - tech however, is a more viable long-term solution.)

The gap between the haves and have nots is going to grow rapidly to the point that the haves will be a fraction of the general population and they will take over in a democratically elected Congress.

Those who want more than food and a home though should be willing to do something for it yes?

They will start growing their own with hydroponics or start bartering with those who do.

 

[bripat9643]

How do you tell the difference between "simulated learning" and real learning? If you can't tell the difference, then aren't they exactly the same thing?

Computers can't design computers like humans because the later are still 10,000 times smarter than the former. That difference will disappear in about 20 years if Moore's law maintains.