Warehouse Robots Improve Efficiency by 800%; How Will Workers Survive in this Future?

[Asclepias]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

They call that the american dream for a reason. Its a carrot. In the capitalistic system it is required that there are some haves and have nots. If everyone was a "have" the system would fall apart.

I can agree with there being haves and have nots, though I do not see it as a "bad thing" (I'm guessing you do heh) Some folks would be perfectly content with mere survival, food on the table and a roof over their head - and I do actually think we can achieve this as a nation, (however, the methods currently being attempted (socialism and such) is not the answer - tech however, is a more viable long-term solution.) Those who want more than food and a home though should be willing to do something for it yes?

It only becomes a bad thing when you pretend its "great". If you lose that superlative then its just a state of existence, reality. Humans first civilizations were socialist. People shared resources equally and cared for those that were unable to produce. Of course socialism in part or whole is part of the solution. Yes those that want more should be willing to do something for it but like all successful societies that more should be shared equally.

 

[jillian]

This is an example of how the Third Industrial or Digital Revolution is making human labor obsolete. How will working class people survive with 90% unemployment rates? How will conservatives adjust their rhetoric to survive? Will we see socialism take over both parties?

These warehouse robots can boost productivity by 800%

automation has been an issue for decades.... hence the move from a manufacturing to service economy.

what the manufacturers have to remember is if there is no market for their goods, they will be out of business. so there should probably be a middle ground between efficiency and making sure we have a middle class that can buy goods.

 

[rdean]

This is an example of how the Third Industrial or Digital Revolution is making human labor obsolete. How will working class people survive with 90% unemployment rates? How will conservatives adjust their rhetoric to survive? Will we see socialism take over both parties?

These warehouse robots can boost productivity by 800%

Something that will never occur to the right wingers. Become one of the people making the robots. Or a technician. Or an installer.

This is why Republicans hate immigrants. Because the immigrants will learn.

 

[EverCurious]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

Being born here in America means we have just as much right to the protection of our working class interests as the major retailers have in protecting THEIR interests.

If yo are going to say no borders for anyone, then let me go buy my stuff over the internet from India and China without paying import tariffs and we can all enjoy cheap third world costs TODAY.

But US retailers and manufacturers wont hear of that, oh, no, we have to protect their profit margins, even if it means we starve.

So till we get rid of ALL tariffs, we US workers have jsut as much right to get laws passed on our favor as the corrupt corporate capitalists do.

Period.

...uhm okay. Not sure how this relates to my post here, but there is a big difference between what I'm talking about and the current crops demand that wealthy folks who worked hard for what they've gained pay for those who feel they are entitled to free college, homes, medical care, etc. simply by living here. Hand up, not a hand out is my vision at the moment because the other option is non-sustainable. I don't look at my bank account when I vote, I look at the future, and similarly in my personal life, I look at the future I want to have and I take steps to ensure that I get to that goal. I wanted a home, I wanted a cabin, I wanted my kids to go to college, and other things so I worked to get those things. I did not decide that someone else /owed/ me those things - and that is what I was talking about.

 

[JimBowie1958]

How do you tell the difference between "simulated learning" and real learning? If you can't tell the difference, then aren't they exactly the same thing?

No, they are not, but I hear your main point; it will allow robots to replace almost every human job.

Computers can't design computers like humans because the later are still 10,000 times smarter than the former. That difference will disappear in about 20 years if Moore's law maintains.

Correct.

So what do conservatives do to reduce the fears of those who are below the IQ of 120? Just take them out and shoot them? Give them free opium as much as they want till they die?

 

[Asclepias]

How do you tell the difference between "simulated learning" and real learning? If you can't tell the difference, then aren't they exactly the same thing?

Computers can't design computers like humans because the later are still 10,000 times smarter than the former. That difference will disappear in about 20 years if Moore's law maintains.

Easy. Teach your TV to say the ABC's without any additional programming. if you cant then you know that it cant really learn.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Something that will never occur to the right wingers. Become one of the people making the robots. Or a technician. Or an installer.

lol, and robots wont ever be able to make robots because......

and robots wont ever be able to install robots because......

and robots wont ever be able to repair robots because......

you cannot comprehend them doing so?

This is why Republicans hate immigrants. Because the immigrants will learn.

Lol, and you cap you stupid comment with a wild partisan accusation that is not supported by the evidence or law.

We native born Americans have rights, Tutifruti, and we are finally wakening up enough to maybe stop most of this cheap labor exploitation.

Tough shit for you race baiting freaks.

 

[JimBowie1958]

...uhm okay. Not sure how this relates to my post here, but there is a big difference between what I'm talking about and the current crops demand that wealthy folks who worked hard for what they've gained pay for those who feel they are entitled to free college, homes, medical care, etc. simply by living here. Hand up, not a hand out is my vision at the moment because the other option is non-sustainable. I don't look at my bank account when I vote, I look at the future, and similarly in my personal life, I look at the future I want to have and I take steps to ensure that I get to that goal. I wanted a home, I wanted a cabin, I wanted my kids to go to college, and other things so I worked to get those things. I did not decide that someone else /owed/ me those things - and that is what I was talking about.

American citizens are not owed luxury good, but they do have a right to having priority over cheap immigrant labor and robotic replacements as well.

Something needs to be imagined that can moderate the social destabilization that is going to happen if we dont get in front of this thing.

 

[jillian]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

Being born here in America means we have just as much right to the protection of our working class interests as the major retailers have in protecting THEIR interests.

If yo are going to say no borders for anyone, then let me go buy my stuff over the internet from India and China without paying import tariffs and we can all enjoy cheap third world costs TODAY.

But US retailers and manufacturers wont hear of that, oh, no, we have to protect their profit margins, even if it means we starve.

So till we get rid of ALL tariffs, we US workers have jsut as much right to get laws passed on our favor as the corrupt corporate capitalists do.

Period.

...uhm okay. Not sure how this relates to my post here, but there is a big difference between what I'm talking about and the current crops demand that wealthy folks who worked hard for what they've gained pay for those who feel they are entitled to free college, homes, medical care, etc. simply by living here. Hand up, not a hand out is my vision at the moment because the other option is non-sustainable. I don't look at my bank account when I vote, I look at the future, and similarly in my personal life, I look at the future I want to have and I take steps to ensure that I get to that goal. I wanted a home, I wanted a cabin, I wanted my kids to go to college, and other things so I worked to get those things. I did not decide that someone else /owed/ me those things - and that is what I was talking about.

the largest growth of the middle class (and as a result the economy in general) occurred after the GI Bill funneled money into our economy.... people paid for college with government money. people paid for house in government subsidized tract housing communities and as a result contractors made money... and put money back into our economy.

why should banks not pay any interest when they borrow money but a college student should pay 9% on the funds they use to get an education?

why should we subsidize corporate welfare and rich agriculturists but not help students with a public education?

your questions are backwards.

and the short answer..... because sometimes you do things for the social good.... because it's the right thing to do. giving someone opportunity is not the same as charity. and even if it was, if it keeps us from being a banana republic, why is that a bad thing?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

Being born here in America means we have just as much right to the protection of our working class interests as the major retailers have in protecting THEIR interests.

If yo are going to say no borders for anyone, then let me go buy my stuff over the internet from India and China without paying import tariffs and we can all enjoy cheap third world costs TODAY.

But US retailers and manufacturers wont hear of that, oh, no, we have to protect their profit margins, even if it means we starve.

So till we get rid of ALL tariffs, we US workers have jsut as much right to get laws passed on our favor as the corrupt corporate capitalists do.

Period.

...uhm okay. Not sure how this relates to my post here, but there is a big difference between what I'm talking about and the current crops demand that wealthy folks who worked hard for what they've gained pay for those who feel they are entitled to free college, homes, medical care, etc. simply by living here. Hand up, not a hand out is my vision at the moment because the other option is non-sustainable. I don't look at my bank account when I vote, I look at the future, and similarly in my personal life, I look at the future I want to have and I take steps to ensure that I get to that goal. I wanted a home, I wanted a cabin, I wanted my kids to go to college, and other things so I worked to get those things. I did not decide that someone else /owed/ me those things - and that is what I was talking about.

the largest growth of the middle class (and as a result the economy in general) occurred after the GI Bill funneled money into our economy.... people paid for college with government money. people paid for house in government subsidized tract housing communities and as a result contractors made money... and put money back into our economy.

why should banks not pay any interest when they borrow money but a college student should pay 9% on the funds they use to get an education?

why should we subsidize corporate welfare and rich agriculturists but not help students with a public education?

your questions are backwards.

great response.

 

[EverCurious]

We're getting a bit OT here with all the socialist political movement yap, but ya know personally, I'd like to see no one homeless and no one going without food or medical care, I just don't agree that tax is the way to achieve that ultimate goal. Technology is a far more realistically sustainable solution, it's unfortunate that the transition into that "utopia" is going to be painful... IF taxes on the wealthy were going to a sustainable solution, I would be far more inclined to support it, but it's not, it's going to a completely unsustainable and unfair system of handouts that don't actually help in any kind of long run. It's a waste that isn't going to permanently solve the problem. I don't like Band-Aid solutions, sorry.

 

[jillian]

Great would be for those who are willing to put in the effort to achieve the American Dream - rather than the current crop who thinks that simply by being born here they are entitled to a white picket fence. America /has/ forgotten what made America great.

Being born here in America means we have just as much right to the protection of our working class interests as the major retailers have in protecting THEIR interests.

If yo are going to say no borders for anyone, then let me go buy my stuff over the internet from India and China without paying import tariffs and we can all enjoy cheap third world costs TODAY.

But US retailers and manufacturers wont hear of that, oh, no, we have to protect their profit margins, even if it means we starve.

So till we get rid of ALL tariffs, we US workers have jsut as much right to get laws passed on our favor as the corrupt corporate capitalists do.

Period.

...uhm okay. Not sure how this relates to my post here, but there is a big difference between what I'm talking about and the current crops demand that wealthy folks who worked hard for what they've gained pay for those who feel they are entitled to free college, homes, medical care, etc. simply by living here. Hand up, not a hand out is my vision at the moment because the other option is non-sustainable. I don't look at my bank account when I vote, I look at the future, and similarly in my personal life, I look at the future I want to have and I take steps to ensure that I get to that goal. I wanted a home, I wanted a cabin, I wanted my kids to go to college, and other things so I worked to get those things. I did not decide that someone else /owed/ me those things - and that is what I was talking about.

the largest growth of the middle class (and as a result the economy in general) occurred after the GI Bill funneled money into our economy.... people paid for college with government money. people paid for house in government subsidized tract housing communities and as a result contractors made money... and put money back into our economy.

why should banks not pay any interest when they borrow money but a college student should pay 9% on the funds they use to get an education?

why should we subsidize corporate welfare and rich agriculturists but not help students with a public education?

your questions are backwards.

great response.

thank you.

 

[jillian]

We're getting a bit OT here with all the socialist political movement yap, but ya know personally, I'd like to see no one homeless and no one going without food or medical care, I just don't agree that tax is the way to achieve that ultimate goal. Technology is a far more realistically sustainable solution, it's unfortunate that the transition into that "utopia" is going to be painful... IF taxes on the wealthy were going to a sustainable solution, I would be far more inclined to support it, but it's not, it's going to a completely unsustainable and unfair system of handouts that don't actually help in any kind of long run. It's a waste that isn't going to permanently solve the problem. I don't like Band-Aid solutions, sorry.

i'm not a socialist. but the healthiest societies are those which have a mixture of capitalism and socialism. that's simply fact.

we're not talking about band aids and hand outs. we're talking about hand-ups. i went to a state university at a time when it didn't cost $40,000 a year. i went to law school at a time when my student loans were government-backed so weren't used as a profit center because taxes were reduced for the top 1%.

thinking that's a crime is not socialist. it's rational and the fact that it's the case should outrage you.

 

[Asclepias]

We're getting a bit OT here with all the socialist political movement yap, but ya know personally, I'd like to see no one homeless and no one going without food or medical care, I just don't agree that tax is the way to achieve that ultimate goal. Technology is a far more realistically sustainable solution, it's unfortunate that the transition into that "utopia" is going to be painful... IF taxes on the wealthy were going to a sustainable solution, I would be far more inclined to support it, but it's not, it's going to a completely unsustainable and unfair system of handouts that don't actually help in any kind of long run. It's a waste that isn't going to permanently solve the problem. I don't like Band-Aid solutions, sorry.

Youre talking about it in the abstract with no real experience to your belief that there should be no band aids. Without band aids real live people, children die, go hungry, etc. Its a process. Its holds things in place until a viable solution is found. The thing is like I said before. The capitalistic system cannot exist without those have nots. The have nots provide the wealth for the haves. Ironically they do this attempting to become haves.

 

[dannyboys]

The maintenance crews in these so called robots warehouses are still quite large. Throw in refrigerated warehouses and the maintenance crews grow even larger.

And the pay tends to be pretty good if you're strong in motor controls, energy management and refrigeration.

40 an hour or so plus very liberal benefits. Stock options like 3 for 1 and so on. Don't bother applying if you're afraid of heights.

You are delusional.
I have first hand experience in the pulp and paper industry. Over the last twenty years the number of 'union' jobs needed to keep the robots running has shrunk dramatically. THINK!!!!!!
The company's wet dream wasto have six highly trained 'union' employees tending ALL the robots on the production line. Their wet dream has come true. Hence the collapse of the 'unions'. Twenty years ago it took (I was one of them) twenty 'union' employees to replace 'plug and play' robotics to keep the production going.
Read this very carefully.
Today when any production 'robot' fails mechanically it's literally unplugged and rolled away and without the production missing a ******* minute another robot is rolled into place and plugged in.
Today the mechanical components are designed to cycle 100 million times. The electronics are so sophisticated they remind the human that the 100 million cycles are about to end and it's time to replace X components. One of the six employees wanders over and transfers the component work to the 'back-up' component then he unplugs the cycled out component and plugs in a new one and transfers to work to the new component.
Pretty ******* simple.The cycled out/mechanically failed robotic components are moved into a the repair room and six highly trained technicians/mechanics have them fixed and really for use with a few hours.
Every fast food franchise in the world can, if it chooses, replace 80% of their employees with robots. Most choose not to because they want to keep the community happy. It's the local community that buys the Mc Chickens and fries.
Within twenty years the unemployment rate in the US will be 60%. and growing. No job. No money. These people will be destitute in the real sense of the word.
In two decades you will see millions of Americans struggling to survive day to day. Go visit rural China today. That's the movie coming to your town within twenty years.
Thinking the US Government will magically find the cold hard cash to give these destitute people enough to survive on is a sick joke.

 

[bripat9643]

How do you tell the difference between "simulated learning" and real learning? If you can't tell the difference, then aren't they exactly the same thing?

Computers can't design computers like humans because the later are still 10,000 times smarter than the former. That difference will disappear in about 20 years if Moore's law maintains.

Easy. Teach your TV to say the ABC's without any additional programming. if you cant then you know that it cant really learn.

No one said your TV could learn, dumbass. That doesn't mean that in the future there won't be machines that can learn.

 

[Asclepias]

How do you tell the difference between "simulated learning" and real learning? If you can't tell the difference, then aren't they exactly the same thing?

Computers can't design computers like humans because the later are still 10,000 times smarter than the former. That difference will disappear in about 20 years if Moore's law maintains.

Easy. Teach your TV to say the ABC's without any additional programming. if you cant then you know that it cant really learn.

No one said your TV could learn, dumbass. That doesn't mean the in the future there won't be machines that can learn.

Wake me when that becomes a reality instead of pretending its occurring now.

 

[bripat9643]

How do you tell the difference between "simulated learning" and real learning? If you can't tell the difference, then aren't they exactly the same thing?

No, they are not, but I hear your main point; it will allow robots to replace almost every human job.

Computers can't design computers like humans because the later are still 10,000 times smarter than the former. That difference will disappear in about 20 years if Moore's law maintains.

Correct.

So what do conservatives do to reduce the fears of those who are below the IQ of 120? Just take them out and shoot them? Give them free opium as much as they want till they die?

How do you know they aren't the same thing if you have no way to tell they aren't the same thing?

Even people with I.Q.s far above 120 will be taking orders from computers, and probably have no skills that a computer doesn't also have. How is this a justification for attacking Republicans?

 

[bripat9643]

How do you tell the difference between "simulated learning" and real learning? If you can't tell the difference, then aren't they exactly the same thing?

Computers can't design computers like humans because the later are still 10,000 times smarter than the former. That difference will disappear in about 20 years if Moore's law maintains.

Easy. Teach your TV to say the ABC's without any additional programming. if you cant then you know that it cant really learn.

No one said your TV could learn, dumbass. That doesn't mean the in the future there won't be machines that can learn.

Wake me when that becomes a reality instead of pretending its occurring now.

When did I pretend it was occurring now?

You are a special kind of dumbass, aren't you?

 

[Asclepias]

How do you tell the difference between "simulated learning" and real learning? If you can't tell the difference, then aren't they exactly the same thing?

Computers can't design computers like humans because the later are still 10,000 times smarter than the former. That difference will disappear in about 20 years if Moore's law maintains.

Easy. Teach your TV to say the ABC's without any additional programming. if you cant then you know that it cant really learn.

No one said your TV could learn, dumbass. That doesn't mean the in the future there won't be machines that can learn.

Wake me when that becomes a reality instead of pretending its occurring now.

When did I pretend it was occurring now?

You are a special kind of dumbass, aren't you?

When you asked how I could tell the difference between real learning and simulated learning.