Very efficient solar cells

[ding]

You don’t know what I know.

According to you 85% of everything the government does is illegal. So either you are correct and the states are in in the conspiracy or you are wrong.

Omg. Yes I am wrong. Its list of enumerated powers and where it states everything else is left up to the states was a PRANK

So that’s a yes that you believe there’s a grand conspiracy?

No

Then you must be wrong. Because if you were right it wouldn’t be that way.

A large majority of humans dont believe in liberty and individuality. They are also subservient.
Our 2nd amendment got eliminated by our second president. Nothing happened.
Using your logic, that was perfectly fine.

Give me a break. They don’t consciously equate liberty and individuality with their subservience to a central authority. So to argue they don’t believe in liberty and individuality is ridiculous. What they don’t understand is the consequences of believing in group rights instead of individual rights.

The second amendment did not get eliminated by John Adams. The courts may have misapplied the 14th amendment but despite their interpretations the 2nd is still in full force and effect. It’s just waiting for a court case to challenge the misapplication of the 14th.

So, no, my logic says no such thing.

 

[ding]

Omg. Yes I am wrong. Its list of enumerated powers and where it states everything else is left up to the states was a PRANK

Without getting into the weeds, Artivle 1 Sec 8 gives the feds broad power to tax and spend. I don't see where subsidies are excluded.

Don't get me wrong. 95% of government spending is between corrupt and inefficient. But that doesn't make it unconstitutional.

Yes to tax and spend on constitutional programs.
If we used the hamiltonian "implied powers" power grab like you just stated, they could do whatever in the hell they want and the constitution is completely meaningless.

That’s silly. It’s their interpretation of the constitution that they are using so their actions tell us that they don’t believe the constitution is meaningless.

 

[TNHarley]

Omg. Yes I am wrong. Its list of enumerated powers and where it states everything else is left up to the states was a PRANK

So that’s a yes that you believe there’s a grand conspiracy?

No

Then you must be wrong. Because if you were right it wouldn’t be that way.

A large majority of humans dont believe in liberty and individuality. They are also subservient.
Our 2nd amendment got eliminated by our second president. Nothing happened.
Using your logic, that was perfectly fine.

Give me a break. They don’t consciously equate liberty and individuality with their subservience to a central authority. So to argue they don’t believe in liberty and individuality is ridiculous. What they don’t understand is the consequences of believing in group rights instead of individual rights.

The second amendment did not get eliminated by John Adams. The courts may have misapplied the 14th amendment but despite their interpretations the 2nd is still in full force and effect. It’s just waiting for a court case to challenge the misapplication of the 14th.

So, no, my logic says no such thing.

Sorry, I meant 1st amendment.

 

[TNHarley]

Omg. Yes I am wrong. Its list of enumerated powers and where it states everything else is left up to the states was a PRANK

Without getting into the weeds, Artivle 1 Sec 8 gives the feds broad power to tax and spend. I don't see where subsidies are excluded.

Don't get me wrong. 95% of government spending is between corrupt and inefficient. But that doesn't make it unconstitutional.

Yes to tax and spend on constitutional programs.
If we used the hamiltonian "implied powers" power grab like you just stated, they could do whatever in the hell they want and the constitution is completely meaningless.

That’s silly. It’s their interpretation of the constitution that they are using so their actions tell us that they don’t believe the constitution is meaningless.

Why do you need to interpret when it says what it says? When they explained it thoroughly.

 

[ding]

So that’s a yes that you believe there’s a grand conspiracy?

No

Then you must be wrong. Because if you were right it wouldn’t be that way.

A large majority of humans dont believe in liberty and individuality. They are also subservient.
Our 2nd amendment got eliminated by our second president. Nothing happened.
Using your logic, that was perfectly fine.

Give me a break. They don’t consciously equate liberty and individuality with their subservience to a central authority. So to argue they don’t believe in liberty and individuality is ridiculous. What they don’t understand is the consequences of believing in group rights instead of individual rights.

The second amendment did not get eliminated by John Adams. The courts may have misapplied the 14th amendment but despite their interpretations the 2nd is still in full force and effect. It’s just waiting for a court case to challenge the misapplication of the 14th.

So, no, my logic says no such thing.

Sorry, I meant 1st amendment.

Me too.

 

[TNHarley]

No

Then you must be wrong. Because if you were right it wouldn’t be that way.

A large majority of humans dont believe in liberty and individuality. They are also subservient.
Our 2nd amendment got eliminated by our second president. Nothing happened.
Using your logic, that was perfectly fine.

Give me a break. They don’t consciously equate liberty and individuality with their subservience to a central authority. So to argue they don’t believe in liberty and individuality is ridiculous. What they don’t understand is the consequences of believing in group rights instead of individual rights.

The second amendment did not get eliminated by John Adams. The courts may have misapplied the 14th amendment but despite their interpretations the 2nd is still in full force and effect. It’s just waiting for a court case to challenge the misapplication of the 14th.

So, no, my logic says no such thing.

Sorry, I meant 1st amendment.

Me too.

What?

 

[ding]

Omg. Yes I am wrong. Its list of enumerated powers and where it states everything else is left up to the states was a PRANK

Without getting into the weeds, Artivle 1 Sec 8 gives the feds broad power to tax and spend. I don't see where subsidies are excluded.

Don't get me wrong. 95% of government spending is between corrupt and inefficient. But that doesn't make it unconstitutional.

Yes to tax and spend on constitutional programs.
If we used the hamiltonian "implied powers" power grab like you just stated, they could do whatever in the hell they want and the constitution is completely meaningless.

That’s silly. It’s their interpretation of the constitution that they are using so their actions tell us that they don’t believe the constitution is meaningless.

Why do you need to interpret when it says what it says? When they explained it thoroughly.

They didn’t explain it thoroughly. It’s not possible to cover everything. The powers are broad by design. That’s why we have checks and balances.

 

[ding]

Then you must be wrong. Because if you were right it wouldn’t be that way.

A large majority of humans dont believe in liberty and individuality. They are also subservient.
Our 2nd amendment got eliminated by our second president. Nothing happened.
Using your logic, that was perfectly fine.

Give me a break. They don’t consciously equate liberty and individuality with their subservience to a central authority. So to argue they don’t believe in liberty and individuality is ridiculous. What they don’t understand is the consequences of believing in group rights instead of individual rights.

The second amendment did not get eliminated by John Adams. The courts may have misapplied the 14th amendment but despite their interpretations the 2nd is still in full force and effect. It’s just waiting for a court case to challenge the misapplication of the 14th.

So, no, my logic says no such thing.

Sorry, I meant 1st amendment.

Me too.

What?

My comment on the 14th applied to the 1st amendment.

 

[ding]

I’m not sure what any of this has to do with supposed efficiency gains of solar cells.

 

[TNHarley]

Omg. Yes I am wrong. Its list of enumerated powers and where it states everything else is left up to the states was a PRANK

Without getting into the weeds, Artivle 1 Sec 8 gives the feds broad power to tax and spend. I don't see where subsidies are excluded.

Don't get me wrong. 95% of government spending is between corrupt and inefficient. But that doesn't make it unconstitutional.

Yes to tax and spend on constitutional programs.
If we used the hamiltonian "implied powers" power grab like you just stated, they could do whatever in the hell they want and the constitution is completely meaningless.

That’s silly. It’s their interpretation of the constitution that they are using so their actions tell us that they don’t believe the constitution is meaningless.

Why do you need to interpret when it says what it says? When they explained it thoroughly.

They didn’t explain it thoroughly. It’s not possible to cover everything. The powers are broad by design. That’s why we have checks and balances.

Bullshit

 

[ding]

Without getting into the weeds, Artivle 1 Sec 8 gives the feds broad power to tax and spend. I don't see where subsidies are excluded.

Don't get me wrong. 95% of government spending is between corrupt and inefficient. But that doesn't make it unconstitutional.

Yes to tax and spend on constitutional programs.
If we used the hamiltonian "implied powers" power grab like you just stated, they could do whatever in the hell they want and the constitution is completely meaningless.

That’s silly. It’s their interpretation of the constitution that they are using so their actions tell us that they don’t believe the constitution is meaningless.

Why do you need to interpret when it says what it says? When they explained it thoroughly.

They didn’t explain it thoroughly. It’s not possible to cover everything. The powers are broad by design. That’s why we have checks and balances.

Bullshit

Why do you believe they used the term “arms” in the 2nd instead of muskets if they didn’t intentionally keep it broad?

 

[TNHarley]

A large majority of humans dont believe in liberty and individuality. They are also subservient.
Our 2nd amendment got eliminated by our second president. Nothing happened.
Using your logic, that was perfectly fine.

Give me a break. They don’t consciously equate liberty and individuality with their subservience to a central authority. So to argue they don’t believe in liberty and individuality is ridiculous. What they don’t understand is the consequences of believing in group rights instead of individual rights.

The second amendment did not get eliminated by John Adams. The courts may have misapplied the 14th amendment but despite their interpretations the 2nd is still in full force and effect. It’s just waiting for a court case to challenge the misapplication of the 14th.

So, no, my logic says no such thing.

Sorry, I meant 1st amendment.

Me too.

What?

My comment on the 14th applied to the 1st amendment.

I was referring to the sedition act that expired right after his reelection.

 

[TNHarley]

Yes to tax and spend on constitutional programs.
If we used the hamiltonian "implied powers" power grab like you just stated, they could do whatever in the hell they want and the constitution is completely meaningless.

That’s silly. It’s their interpretation of the constitution that they are using so their actions tell us that they don’t believe the constitution is meaningless.

Why do you need to interpret when it says what it says? When they explained it thoroughly.

They didn’t explain it thoroughly. It’s not possible to cover everything. The powers are broad by design. That’s why we have checks and balances.

Bullshit

Why do you believe they used the term “arms” in the 2nd instead of muskets if they didn’t intentionally keep it broad?

Great analogy bro

 

[gipper]

Decentralization of power, political and energetic, is highly desirable for the improvement of quality of life for the majority.

Don’t we have that in theory?

Power is highly centralized now and is increasing.

Well, we have three branches of the federal government and we have state governments as well which have three branches as well. And we have we the people who get to elect our representatives on a regular basis.

So what do you propose to do to eliminate your perception that power is highly centralized?

Eliminating my perceptions would be easy; a tiny .22 precisely placed would do it.
Reducing the real centralization of power in the world is more complex.
Petroleum dependence is probably the most dire example. Electrical grids are similar, if less menacing.
Political centers are another domain and elicit multiple approaches.
These, most people would argue, exist not only in my perceptions.

I agree that “power” exists. I don’t believe it is centralized and coordinated. It’s more of a conflict and confusion process.

Think of it this way, we are in an equilibrium phase where slight differences are working and competing against each other. Progress isn’t a straight line. Everything eventually works itself out for the good because error cannot stand. Eventually error will fail. Order from chaos.

Oh it’s centralized. The extreme wealthy have the power. The transnational capitalist class runs the world. They want business and politics centralized and are well on their way to succeeding.

 

[ding]

Give me a break. They don’t consciously equate liberty and individuality with their subservience to a central authority. So to argue they don’t believe in liberty and individuality is ridiculous. What they don’t understand is the consequences of believing in group rights instead of individual rights.

The second amendment did not get eliminated by John Adams. The courts may have misapplied the 14th amendment but despite their interpretations the 2nd is still in full force and effect. It’s just waiting for a court case to challenge the misapplication of the 14th.

So, no, my logic says no such thing.

Sorry, I meant 1st amendment.

Me too.

What?

My comment on the 14th applied to the 1st amendment.

I was referring to the sedition act that expired right after his reelection.

Ok. SCOTUS ruled that slaves were property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

So what? What’s your point? The first amendment is still in full effect and force.

 

[ding]

That’s silly. It’s their interpretation of the constitution that they are using so their actions tell us that they don’t believe the constitution is meaningless.

Why do you need to interpret when it says what it says? When they explained it thoroughly.

They didn’t explain it thoroughly. It’s not possible to cover everything. The powers are broad by design. That’s why we have checks and balances.

Bullshit

Why do you believe they used the term “arms” in the 2nd instead of muskets if they didn’t intentionally keep it broad?

Great analogy bro

It’s a perfect analog.

 

[ding]

Don’t we have that in theory?

Power is highly centralized now and is increasing.

Well, we have three branches of the federal government and we have state governments as well which have three branches as well. And we have we the people who get to elect our representatives on a regular basis.

So what do you propose to do to eliminate your perception that power is highly centralized?

Eliminating my perceptions would be easy; a tiny .22 precisely placed would do it.
Reducing the real centralization of power in the world is more complex.
Petroleum dependence is probably the most dire example. Electrical grids are similar, if less menacing.
Political centers are another domain and elicit multiple approaches.
These, most people would argue, exist not only in my perceptions.

I agree that “power” exists. I don’t believe it is centralized and coordinated. It’s more of a conflict and confusion process.

Think of it this way, we are in an equilibrium phase where slight differences are working and competing against each other. Progress isn’t a straight line. Everything eventually works itself out for the good because error cannot stand. Eventually error will fail. Order from chaos.

Oh it’s centralized. The extreme wealthy have the power. The transnational capitalist class runs the world. They want business and politics centralized and are well on their way to succeeding.

With checks and balances.

 

[TNHarley]

Sorry, I meant 1st amendment.

Me too.

What?

My comment on the 14th applied to the 1st amendment.

I was referring to the sedition act that expired right after his reelection.

Ok. SCOTUS ruled that slaves were property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

So what? What’s your point? The first amendment is still in full effect and force.

If you cant follow a convo then I see no point in continuing it. Good day.

 

[ding]

Me too.

What?

My comment on the 14th applied to the 1st amendment.

I was referring to the sedition act that expired right after his reelection.

Ok. SCOTUS ruled that slaves were property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

So what? What’s your point? The first amendment is still in full effect and force.

If you cant follow a convo then I see no point in continuing it. Good day.

I can follow the convo just fine. I can’t follow your logic or inferences. Which is why I asked a question.

 

[MAGAman]

Yes to tax and spend on constitutional programs.
If we used the hamiltonian "implied powers" power grab like you just stated, they could do whatever in the hell they want and the constitution is completely meaningless.

The Constitution doesn't say or imply subsidies are less constitutional than other spending.

Stupidity, unfortunately, isn't unconstitutional.