USS liberty

[georgephillip]

"The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry record contains testimony by fourteen Liberty crew members and five subject matter experts; exhibits of attack damage photographs, various messages and memorandums; and findings of fact. The testimony record reveals "a shallow investigation, plagued by myriad disagreements between the captain and his crew."[44]

"As to culpability, 'It was not the responsibility of the court to rule on the culpability of the attackers, and no evidence was heard from the attacking nation', the court concluded that "available evidence combines to indicate ... (that the attack was) a case of mistaken identity." Additionally, the Court found that 'heroism displayed by the Commanding Officer, officers and men of the Liberty was exceptional."'

While the US Naval Court of Inquire didn't consider culpability one of its responsibilities, the Clark Clifford Report did.

"The Clark Clifford Report consists of a review of "all available information on the subject" and "deals with the question of Israeli culpability", according to its transmittal memorandum.

"The report concludes: 'The unprovoked attack on the Liberty constitutes a flagrant act of gross negligence for which the Israeli Government should be held completely responsible, and the Israeli military personnel involved should be punished."'

USS Liberty...

 

[P F Tinmore]

Books are opinions.

I provided the proof from the NSA, US navy, joint chiefs, cia, and the senate intelligence committee.

I don't care about someone selling his book.

Now THERE is an honest lot.

 

[DiveCon]

[...]

I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. You have the document of the NSA that has the transcript of the Israeli pilots and command. It proves that the Israeli pilots thought it was an Egyptian ship.

And I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think the survivors insist the attack was deliberate.

explain how someone under attack knows if it was intentional or not?

 

[CMike]

They can't

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

 

[DiveCon]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

nope
that doesnt show it

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

nope
that doesnt show it

Strafing life rafts is a war crime.

Are you under the impression some war crimes are accidental?

 

[CMike]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

nope
that doesnt show it

Strafing life rafts is a war crime.

Are you under the impression some war crimes are accidental?

Your idiotic posts should be a war crime.

 

[Intense]

It was investigated by two congressional committees , senate intelligence and house armed services- moron.

Either that or Oxymoron.

 

[CMike]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

nope
that doesnt show it

Strafing life rafts is a war crime.

Are you under the impression some war crimes are accidental?

All war crimes

Friendly fire incidents and accidents - War on Iraq - smh.com.au


FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENTS:

March 22: A British Royal Air Force (RAF) Tornado jet is accidentally shot down by a US Patriot missile. The Tornado's two crew are killed.

March 24: Two British soldiers are killed when their tank is mistakenly targeted by another British tank in southern Iraq.

March 27: 37 US Marines are injured when US troops mistakenly fire at each other near the southern city of Nasiriyah.

March 28: A British soldier is killed and four others are injured in the region of Basra when a US A-10 ground attack aircraft fires on them.

April 2: An F-18 US fighter jet is downed, probably by a US Patriot missile. The pilot is reported missing.

April 3: A US serviceman mistaken for an Iraqi soldier is shot dead by his own troops in central Iraq.

April 6: 18 Kurdish fighters are killed and 45 wounded near Arbil in northern Iraq when US aircraft mistakenly bomb a joint US-Kurdish convoy.

According to the website of the American War Library, just over half of the coalition troops killed or injured during the 1991 Gulf War were victims of friendly fire incidents.

Of those, about 165 US casualties were due to "friendly fire" out of a total of 367 Americans who lost their lives, it said.

OTHER INCIDENTS:

March 22: A US soldier at a camp in Kuwait lobs grenades into the tents of fellow soldiers, killing two and wounding 11 others.

March 30: 15 American soldiers are injured at a military camp in northern Kuwait when a disgruntled Egyptian employee rams a truck into the group. The truck driver sustained two gunshot wounds.

AFP

 

[CMike]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

They didn't. They were the first ones to send rescue helicopters.

 

[CMike]

"The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry record contains testimony by fourteen Liberty crew members and five subject matter experts; exhibits of attack damage photographs, various messages and memorandums; and findings of fact. The testimony record reveals "a shallow investigation, plagued by myriad disagreements between the captain and his crew."[44]

"As to culpability, 'It was not the responsibility of the court to rule on the culpability of the attackers, and no evidence was heard from the attacking nation', the court concluded that "available evidence combines to indicate ... (that the attack was) a case of mistaken identity." Additionally, the Court found that 'heroism displayed by the Commanding Officer, officers and men of the Liberty was exceptional."'

While the US Naval Court of Inquire didn't consider culpability one of its responsibilities, the Clark Clifford Report did.

"The Clark Clifford Report consists of a review of "all available information on the subject" and "deals with the question of Israeli culpability", according to its transmittal memorandum.

"The report concludes: 'The unprovoked attack on the Liberty constitutes a flagrant act of gross negligence for which the Israeli Government should be held completely responsible, and the Israeli military personnel involved should be punished."'

USS Liberty...

More from your bullshit website that only gives opinion.

Any person can write anything in a web site or book. They have no accountability.

That is why government investigations where witnesses are under oath, and people sign it, do have accountability.

 

[MikeK]

At this point I realize the futility in attempting to conduct a productive and civil discussion with a typical Israel supporter (or agent) because they all share a common characteristic, which is to deny the obvious and resort to personal insults when confronted with facts. So for the benefit of those who might be swayed by such tactics, the official government report, which has been declassified from Top Secret, should be useful in reaching a conclusion about where the truth lies:

The Liberty Incident: Clark Clifford Report

 

[CMike]

It was investigated by two congressional committees , senate intelligence and house armed services- moron.

There have been hearings. Inquiries. There has not been a formal investigation.

Do you know the difference(s) between the two proceedings?

Yup you defined it:

You "... formal investigation in which witnesses are summoned and cross-examined. That is how facts are determined."

That is what happened in the US Navy Court of Inquiry.

I even posted some of the direct examination and cross examination.

The Q stands for question and the A stands for answer.

You really shoved your foot in your mouth. Thank you for the amusement.

 

[CMike]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

nope
that doesnt show it

Also never assume their premise is correct. Usually it's wrong.

 

[CMike]

At this point I realize the futility in attempting to conduct a productive and civil discussion with a typical Israel supporter (or agent) because they all share a common characteristic, which is to deny the obvious and resort to personal insults when confronted with facts. So for the benefit of those who might be swayed by such tactics, the official government report, which has been declassified from Top Secret, should be useful in reaching a conclusion about where the truth lies:

The Liberty Incident: Clark Clifford Report

Thanks for the amusement.

You said that what determined the facts is witnesses being about to be examined and cross examined under oath. That is EXACTLY what happened in the US Naval Court of Inquiry that you dismiss.

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

They didn't. They were the first ones to send rescue helicopters.

After Terry Halbardier earned his Silver Star by repairing a damaged antenna and calling the Sixth Fleet.

The Liberty's distress call was picked up by heroic Jews who suddenly decided to offer "help."

Do you know what the Liberty's response to the offer was?

"**** You."

 

[georgephillip]

At this point I realize the futility in attempting to conduct a productive and civil discussion with a typical Israel supporter (or agent) because they all share a common characteristic, which is to deny the obvious and resort to personal insults when confronted with facts. So for the benefit of those who might be swayed by such tactics, the official government report, which has been declassified from Top Secret, should be useful in reaching a conclusion about where the truth lies:

The Liberty Incident: Clark Clifford Report

Thanks for the amusement.

You said that what determined the facts is witnesses being about to be examined and cross examined under oath. That is EXACTLY what happened in the US Naval Court of Inquiry that you dismiss.

How many more Americans should die for apartheid Israel?

 

[DiveCon]

Maybe when the Israeli attack boats strafed the Liberty's life rafts with machine gun fire.

nope
that doesnt show it

Strafing life rafts is a war crime.

Are you under the impression some war crimes are accidental?

again, if that had been an Egyptian ship they were spies
spies can be shot on sight

 

[georgephillip]

"The U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry record contains testimony by fourteen Liberty crew members and five subject matter experts; exhibits of attack damage photographs, various messages and memorandums; and findings of fact. The testimony record reveals "a shallow investigation, plagued by myriad disagreements between the captain and his crew."[44]

"As to culpability, 'It was not the responsibility of the court to rule on the culpability of the attackers, and no evidence was heard from the attacking nation', the court concluded that "available evidence combines to indicate ... (that the attack was) a case of mistaken identity." Additionally, the Court found that 'heroism displayed by the Commanding Officer, officers and men of the Liberty was exceptional."'

While the US Naval Court of Inquire didn't consider culpability one of its responsibilities, the Clark Clifford Report did.

"The Clark Clifford Report consists of a review of "all available information on the subject" and "deals with the question of Israeli culpability", according to its transmittal memorandum.

"The report concludes: 'The unprovoked attack on the Liberty constitutes a flagrant act of gross negligence for which the Israeli Government should be held completely responsible, and the Israeli military personnel involved should be punished."'

USS Liberty...

More from your bullshit website that only gives opinion.

Any person can write anything in a web site or book. They have no accountability.

That is why government investigations where witnesses are under oath, and people sign it, do have accountability.

Now Wiki is a bullshit source?

Maybe you should try clicking on links before commenting?

I know reading is way beyond your pay grade.