USS liberty

[CMike]

I posted the actual document before...

The USS Liberty

A U.S. spy plane was sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack on the Liberty and recorded the conversations of two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 p.m. on June 8. The orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at the Hatzor base instructing them to search for Egyptian survivors from the “Egyptian warship” that had just been bombed were also recorded by the NSA. “Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian,” the pilots were informed. Nine minutes later, Hatzor told the pilots the ship was believed to be an Egyptian cargo ship. At 3:07, the pilots were first told the ship might not be Egyptian and were instructed to search for survivors and inform the base immediately the nationality of the first person they rescued. It was not until 3:12 that one of the pilots reported that he saw an American flag flying over the ship at which point he was instructed to verify if it was indeed a U.S. vessel.6

 

[Intense]

Then there may be hope for you.

How do you explain away the transcript of the Israeli pilots and command that was obtained from a NSA spy plane.

I posted the link to the declassified document of the transcript.

This should be good.

You have yet to explain why the Air Attack ceased when it did, and why. You have yet to explain how the Naval Attack was delayed, and why, or even why the Israel Navy attempted to signal the Liberty, before the Napalm canisters or torpedo were fired.

Why did the NSA step up to the plate when it mattered, which was during the attack. Why were the Interceptor's, the first response, turned back??? Why was the Liberty ordered so close to shore??? Why in Hell was the Liberty un-escorted in the first place, or was it? What reports do you have of a US Sub witnessing the whole attack???

It was explained in the transcripts. The Israelis finally identified it as an american ship. They were the first to send the rescuers.

I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. You have the document of the NSA that has the transcript of the Israeli pilots and command. It proves that the Israeli pilots thought it was an Egyptian ship.

Explanation? Let me guess? It's part of the vast conspiracy of almost all of the US government agencies that deal with the US navy to protect Israel. They all forged sworn testimony and evidence .

Pretty close?

First it was Identified as Non-Arab, that was before the main attack. That is the point you repeatedly trip over. I believe the report went in 12 minutes into the Air Attack. I don't need to look past that to see there was a big problem. I'm not just blaming Israel Mike. I view it as an accident, compounded by poor Command Level Decisions on both sides, and covered up by Bureaucrat's, all the way up to the top. You are not going to effect change in my opinion with a white washed report. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. In all fairness, you are doing yourself a disservice by not reading the book. It's not about trying to convince you one way or the other, but to provoke thought and introduce a different perspective. I'm sure that there are details in the book beyond dispute, that will fill in the blanks, at least some. For the record, My conclusions are more forgiving than the Author of the Book.

 

[DiveCon]

Nothing. Unlike Israel, Hamas doesn't have enough money at its disposal to support extensive overseas propaganda efforts. You may have noticed that most of the Gaza Strip relies on foreign aid thanks to the crippling Zionist blockade.

See for yourself:
Hasbara Fellowships - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yeah, how evil of them to try to counter the lies of the antisemites

Right. I see it's worked well on you.

and so has al qaeeda and hamas on you

 

[CMike]

Memos show Liberty attack was an error - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

After the Liberty was bombed by both the Israel Air Force and the Israel Navy, the two helicopter pilots were summoned from their base to assess the damage and evaluate the possibility of rescuing the surviving crew members. An American spy plane, which had been sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack, recorded their conversations, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 P.M. on June 8, the third day of the war.

The spy plane also recorded the orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at Hatzor Base, which instructed them to search for Egyptian survivors from the "Egyptian warship" that had just been bombed - thus supporting Israel's claim that it had believed the ship was Egyptian when it ordered it attacked. "Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian," the pilots were told.

Nine minutes later, Hatzor informed the pilots that it was not an Egyptian warship, but an Egyptian cargo ship. Only at 3:07 were the pilots first informed that the ship might not have been Egyptian at all: Hatzor told them that if they found Arabic-speaking survivors, they should be taken to El-Arish, but if they found English-speaking survivors, they should be taken to Lod. "Clarify by the first man that you bring up, what nationality he is, and report to me immediately," the supervisor instructed, according to the transcript. "It's important to know."

Then, at 3:12, one of the pilots informed Hatzor that he saw an American flag flying over the wounded ship. He was asked to investigate and determine whether it was really an American ship.


This is not the first time such transcripts have been made public: Israel gave its own recordings of the pilots' conversations to the British television station Thames in 1987. But conspiracy theorists charged that Israel had doctored the tapes before handing them over to the station in order to hide the fact that it struck at the Liberty intentionally. No such imputation can be made about these new transcripts, as they were never in Israeli hands.

 

[Kalam]

yeah, how evil of them to try to counter the lies of the antisemites

Right. I see it's worked well on you.

and so has al qaeeda and hamas on you

Only a Zionist would be foolish enough to think that Hamas (Muslim Brotherhood) would affiliate with al-Qa'idah.

 

[CMike]

Same shit.

 

[Kalam]

Same shit.

Don't you pay attention to your own propaganda rags?

Hamas crushes 'al-Qaeda uprising' - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[DiveCon]

Same shit.

Don't you pay attention to your own propaganda rags?

Hamas crushes 'al-Qaeda uprising' - Israel News, Ynetnews

only when their own power is challenged
but i have no doubts they would both support the same people

 

[Kalam]

Same shit.

Don't you pay attention to your own propaganda rags?

Hamas crushes 'al-Qaeda uprising' - Israel News, Ynetnews

only when their own power is challenged
but i have no doubts they would both support the same people

Ikhwanweb :: The Muslim Brotherhood Official English Website

 

[CMike]

OBL has taken up the Palestinian cause.

They are allies.

 

[Kalam]

OBL has taken up the Palestinian cause.

They are allies.

Your Zionism clouds your reasoning. That doesn't make them allies any more than taking up the Iraqi cause makes the Islamic Army in Iraq and the Islamic State of Iraq allies.

 

[DiveCon]

Don't you pay attention to your own propaganda rags?

Hamas crushes 'al-Qaeda uprising' - Israel News, Ynetnews

only when their own power is challenged
but i have no doubts they would both support the same people

Ikhwanweb :: The Muslim Brotherhood Official English Website

again, someone opposed to Israel would have support from BOTH groups
that doesnt mean either group would support the other

 

[georgephillip]

Some survivors, in addition to some U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains 'the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress.'"

USS Liberty

 

[CMike]

It was investigated by two congressional committees , senate intelligence and house armed services- moron.

 

[georgephillip]

Since you think all of the US government is corrupt why don't you formally join Al Qaida?

With friends like Israel...

In October of 2003 a new report issued by former officials from the highest level of the American military and government revealed that Israel "committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States" when it deliberately attacked the USS Liberty in 1967.

Israel had alleged that the two-hour attack with napalm, missiles, and torpedoes was a mistake.

"Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and four-star Admiral Thomas Moorer is outraged at the cover-up of the attack and the fact that this is the only attack on a US ship that has never been investigated by Congress."

"Members of the Independent Commission of Inquiry have now been joined by the Chief Attorney in the Navy's original 1967 Court of Inquiry into the case.

"After remaining silent for more than three decades, Captain Ward Boston describes in a sworn affidavit how he and many others were ordered to never speak about the attack on the USS Liberty."

"I know from personal conversations I had with Admiral Kidd [president of the Court of Inquiry] that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary,' states the
affidavit."

The Jewish State of Israel is swirling the same drain apartheid South Africa disappeared into.

It couldn't happen to a more deserving collection of slaves.

 

[CMike]

Bullshit sources.

Since you think the american government, including it's navy, is so corrupt why don't you leave?

 

[MikeK]

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I am still waiting for you to answer the questions. You have the document of the NSA that has the transcript of the Israeli pilots and command. It proves that the Israeli pilots thought it was an Egyptian ship.

And I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think the survivors insist the attack was deliberate.

 

[MikeK]

It was investigated by two congressional committees , senate intelligence and house armed services- moron.

There have been hearings. Inquiries. There has not been a formal investigation.

Do you know the difference(s) between the two proceedings?

 

[georgephillip]

It was investigated by two congressional committees , senate intelligence and house armed services- moron.

Got a link for that Senate Intelligence Committee, Chomsky?

"The Senate Foreign Relations Committee Testimony contains, as an aside matter during hearings concerning a foreign aid authorization bill, questions and statements from several senators and responses from then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, about the Liberty attack.

"For the most part, the senators were dismayed about the attack, as expressed by Senator Bourke B. Hickenlooper: "From what I have read I can't tolerate for 1 minute that this [attack] was an accident.' Also, there was concern about obtaining more information about the attack, as expressed by Committee Chairman J. William Fulbright: 'We asked for [the attack investigation report] about 2 weeks ago and have not received it yet from Secretary Rusk. ... By the time we get to it we will be on some other subject.'

"Secretary McNamara promised fast delivery of the investigation report ("... you will have it in 4 hours."), and concluded his remarks by saying: 'I simply want to emphasize that the investigative report does not show any evidence of a conscious intent to attack a U.S. vessel.'

"Since the hearings concerned a foreign aid bill, the committee's report omitted any mention of the Liberty incident."

"The House Armed Services Committee Investigation report is entitled, 'Review of Department of Defense Worldwide Communications'.

It was not an investigation focused on the Liberty attack; although, the committee's report contains a section that describes communications flow involved with the Liberty incident."

How many more Americans do you expect to die for Israel?

Moron.

 

[georgephillip]

"The Liberty Veterans Association (composed of veterans from the ship) states that U.S. congressional investigations and other U.S. investigations were not actually investigations into the attack; but, rather, reports using evidence only from the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry, or investigations unrelated to culpability that involved issues such as communications.

"In their view, the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry is the only actual investigation on the incident to date. They claim it was hastily conducted, in only 10 days, even though the court’s president, Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd, said that it would take 6 months to conduct properly.

"The inquiry's terms of reference were limited to whether any shortcomings on the part of the Liberty's crew had contributed to the injuries and deaths that resulted from the attack.[45]

"According to the Navy Court of Inquiry's record of proceedings, four days were spent hearing testimony: two days for fourteen survivors of the attack and several U.S. Navy expert witnesses, and two partial days for two expert U.S. Navy witnesses. No testimony was heard from Israeli personnel involved."

Who do you believe?
Liberty survivors?
Or LBJ and Robert McNamara?
(And John McCain's dad)

Here's the same link again