USS liberty

[Marc39]

I personally believe the attack was deliberate and purposeful but I doubt that it was sanctioned by Israel's highest political authority.

You think Israel intentionally picked a fight with the US, dummy?

 

[Marc39]

Israel used the superior firepower to wage war on its neighbors, thereby distracting the "Arab street" from the endemic corruption of their elites and focusing Muslim rage on plucky little Israel.

Er, the Arabs were the aggressors, dummy.

 

[Marc39]

Arm sales and oil sales are the leading source of global profits, and Israel plays a key role in sustaining both, largely through AIPAC's influence on the US Congress and American Zionism.

AIPAc's influence derives from the threat of no bagels to Congress if they don't vote their way.

George, you're a dummy.

 

[DiveCon]

Why don't you just say what you really mean Mike????

Mirror, Mirror, on the wall....

Why can't I make them believe in the cover up at all?????

You are extremely confused.

I believe the transcript of the Israeli pilots talking to each other as obtained by a US spy plane, the US Navy, NSA, CIA, Senate Intelligence Committee, etc.

You and your ilk on the other hand seem to believe that they forged and doctered everything and believe the fictious and amusing conspiracy books and cooky web sites about the incident.

I'll stick with the Eye Witness accounts. You stick with the cover up. Stay in your fantasy where everyone that doesn't drink the Kool-Aid is a nut case. I'd agree to respectfully disagree with you, I already have, but you are not capable of reason on this subject Mike. I hope your official Report keeps you safe and secure. For me, it is kindling.

an eye witness can only tell you what happened from THEIR perspective
they can NOT tell you the motive behind what they see

 

[CMike]

Seems very logical to me.

 

[georgephillip]

again, if that had been an Egyptian ship they were spies
spies can be shot on sight

The Egyptian ship in question, a supply vessel the El Quseir had one-fourth Liberty's displacement, roughly half the beam, was 180 feet shorter and was very differently configured.

Liberty's unusual antenna array and hull markings should have been visible to low flying aircraft and torpedo boats. In the heat of battle the Liberty was able to identify one of the attacking torpedo boats as Israeli and to ascertain its hull number.

In the same circumstances, trained Israeli naval personnel should have been able easily to see and identify the larger hull marking on the Liberty.

The Liberty Incident: Clark Clifford Report

No one mentioned a ship in question.

Israeli first thought it was an Egyptian warship, then an Egyptian cargo ship.

Being in the middle of a war, on the Egyptian coast, is not a safe place to be.

During the morning of the attack, Liberty was overflown by Israeli aircraft eight times, sometimes at range close enough for Liberty crewmen and Israeli pilots to exchange waves.

"At about 5:45 a.m. Sinai time (GMT +2), reports were first received at Israeli Central Coastal Command (CCC) about the Liberty, identified by pilots as a destroyer and the vessel was placed on the plot board using a red marker, indicating an unknown vessel.

At 6:03 a.m. that morning, the Nord (one of the planes that overflew Liberty) identified the ship as a U.S. supply ship, though the marker was only changed from the red 'unknown ship' to a green 'neutral ship' at 9 a.m., when CCC was ordered to do so after naval command inquired as to the marker's status..."

"When the Nord landed and its naval observer was debriefed, the ship was further identified as the USS Liberty based on its 'GTR-5 markings

Your thought about the middle of a war zone not being a safe place also occurred to Captain William L. McGonagle, skipper of the Liberty, who requested a destroyer escort from Vice Admiral William I. Martin.

"The following day, June 6, Admiral Martin replied: 'Liberty is a clearly marked United States ship in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable subject for attack by any nation. Request denied.'

"He promised, however, that in the unlikely event of an inadvertent attack, jet fighters from the Sixth Fleet could be overhead in ten minutes."

USS Liberty

 

[CMike]

And your bs web site has relevance because?

 

[Marc39]

The Egyptian ship in question, a supply vessel the El Quseir had one-fourth Liberty's displacement, roughly half the beam, was 180 feet shorter and was very differently configured.

Liberty's unusual antenna array and hull markings should have been visible to low flying aircraft and torpedo boats. In the heat of battle the Liberty was able to identify one of the attacking torpedo boats as Israeli and to ascertain its hull number.

In the same circumstances, trained Israeli naval personnel should have been able easily to see and identify the larger hull marking on the Liberty.

The Liberty Incident: Clark Clifford Report

No one mentioned a ship in question.

Israeli first thought it was an Egyptian warship, then an Egyptian cargo ship.

Being in the middle of a war, on the Egyptian coast, is not a safe place to be.

During the morning of the attack, Liberty was overflown by Israeli aircraft eight times, sometimes at range close enough for Liberty crewmen and Israeli pilots to exchange waves.

"At about 5:45 a.m. Sinai time (GMT +2), reports were first received at Israeli Central Coastal Command (CCC) about the Liberty, identified by pilots as a destroyer and the vessel was placed on the plot board using a red marker, indicating an unknown vessel.

At 6:03 a.m. that morning, the Nord (one of the planes that overflew Liberty) identified the ship as a U.S. supply ship, though the marker was only changed from the red 'unknown ship' to a green 'neutral ship' at 9 a.m., when CCC was ordered to do so after naval command inquired as to the marker's status..."

"When the Nord landed and its naval observer was debriefed, the ship was further identified as the USS Liberty based on its 'GTR-5 markings

Your thought about the middle of a war zone not being a safe place also occurred to Captain William L. McGonagle, skipper of the Liberty, who requested a destroyer escort from Vice Admiral William I. Martin.

"The following day, June 6, Admiral Martin replied: 'Liberty is a clearly marked United States ship in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable subject for attack by any nation. Request denied.'

"He promised, however, that in the unlikely event of an inadvertent attack, jet fighters from the Sixth Fleet could be overhead in ten minutes."

USS Liberty

Dimwit, you think Israel intentionally committed an act of war against the US?

Unfortunately, for you, the US govt does not agree.

 

[georgephillip]

And the US government NEVER lies.

 

[CMike]

And the US government NEVER lies.

If you want to prove your mass government conspiracy theory go ahead

Also if you hate the US government so much why are you here?

 

[georgephillip]

"The 1981 book Weapons by Russell Warren Howe asserts that Liberty was accompanied by the Polaris armed Lafayette-class submarine USS Andrew Jackson, which filmed the entire episode through its periscope but was unable to provide assistance.

"According to Howe: 'Two hundred feet below the ship, on a parallel course, was its "shadow"—the Polaris strategic submarine Andrew Jackson, whose job was to take out all the Israeli long-range missile sites in the Negev if Tel Aviv decided to attack Cairo, Damascus or Baghdad.

"This was in order that Moscow would not have to perform this task itself and thus trigger World War Three."'

How many American lives would that have cost?

USS Liberty

I'm sure there is some arcane political intrigue lurking behind the Liberty incident because there is no way the attack was "accidental" or a case of "friendly fire" and our government's passive response to it is absolutely bizarre.

I personally believe the attack was deliberate and purposeful but I doubt that it was sanctioned by Israel's highest political authority. I believe someone in the military ranks decided to do it and claim it was accidental and the fact that Israel has refused to conduct or cooperate in a formal investigation of the incident is the source of my resentment of and enmity toward Israel and why I question our government's continued support of that troublesome little nation. The only reason I can think of is bribery of our congress by AIPAC, which is the second most powerful lobbying organization in Washington and it represents a foreign government.

You certainly are entitled to your opinion, no matter how uninformed and stupid it may be.

It's really simple.

I posted the declassified transcript of the Israeli pilots and their command, during the incident, as gotten by a NSA spy plane.

Case closed.

Maybe you should get around to posting the transcripts of the missing tapes.

"On July 2, 2003, the National Security Agency released copies of the recordings made by the EC-121 and the resultant translations and summaries...

"Two linguists who were aboard the EC-121 when the recordings were made, however, have claimed separately that at least two additional tapes were made that have been excluded from the NSA releases up to and including a June 8, 2007, release."

This case is closed only for those who put Israel first.

Same Wiki bs link

 

[CMike]

What were the linguists names?

 

[Marc39]

I'm sure there is some arcane political intrigue lurking behind the Liberty incident because there is no way the attack was "accidental" or a case of "friendly fire" and our government's passive response to it is absolutely bizarre.

I personally believe the attack was deliberate and purposeful but I doubt that it was sanctioned by Israel's highest political authority. I believe someone in the military ranks decided to do it and claim it was accidental and the fact that Israel has refused to conduct or cooperate in a formal investigation of the incident is the source of my resentment of and enmity toward Israel and why I question our government's continued support of that troublesome little nation. The only reason I can think of is bribery of our congress by AIPAC, which is the second most powerful lobbying organization in Washington and it represents a foreign government.

You certainly are entitled to your opinion, no matter how uninformed and stupid it may be.

It's really simple.

I posted the declassified transcript of the Israeli pilots and their command, during the incident, as gotten by a NSA spy plane.

Case closed.

Maybe you should get around to posting the transcripts of the missing tapes.

"On July 2, 2003, the National Security Agency released copies of the recordings made by the EC-121 and the resultant translations and summaries...

"Two linguists who were aboard the EC-121 when the recordings were made, however, have claimed separately that at least two additional tapes were made that have been excluded from the NSA releases up to and including a June 8, 2007, release."

This case is closed only for those who put Israel first.

Same Wiki bs link

the case is closed by the US govt, shithead.

 

[georgephillip]

"A little after seven in the morning on June 8, Ennes entered the bridge of the Liberty to take the morning watch. Ennes was told that an hour earlier a "flying boxcar" (later identified as a twin-engine Nord 2501 Noratlas) had flown over the ship at a low level.

"Ennes says he noticed that the ship's American flag had become stained with soot and ordered a new flag run up the mast. The morning was clear and calm, with a light breeze.

"At 9 am, Ennes spotted another reconnaissance plane, which circled the Liberty. An hour later two Israeli fighter jets buzzed the ship. Over the next four hours, Israeli planes flew over the Liberty five more times.

'When the first fighter jet struck, a little before two in the afternoon, Ennes was scanning the skies from the starboard side of the bridge, binoculars in his hands. A rocket hit the ship just below where Ennes was standing, the fragments shredded the men closest to him.

"After the explosion, Ennes noticed that he was the only man left standing. But he also had been hit by more than 20 shards of shrapnel and the force of the blast had shattered his left leg. As he crawled into the pilothouse, a second fighter jet streaked above them and unleashed its payload on the hobbled Liberty.

"At that point, Ennes says the crew of the Liberty had no idea who was attacking them or why. For a few moments, they suspected it might be the Soviets, after an officer mistakenly identified the fighters as MIG-15s.

"They knew that the Egyptian air force already had been decimated by the Israelis. The idea that the Israelis might be attacking them didn't occur to them until one of the crew spotted a Star of David on the wing of one of the French-built Mystere jets.

Ennes was finally taken below deck to a makeshift dressing station, with other wounded men. It was hardly a safe harbor. As Ennes worried that his fractured leg might slice through his femoral artery leaving him to bleed to death, the Liberty was pummeled by rockets, machine-gun fire and an Italian-made torpedo packed with 1,000-pounds of explosive.

"After the attack ended, Ennes was approached by his friend Pat O'Malley, a junior officer, who had just sent a list of killed and wounded to the Bureau of Naval Personnel.

"He got an immediate message back. 'They said, 'Wounded in what action? Killed in what action?'," O'Malley told Ennes. 'They said it wasn't an "action," it was an accident. I'd like for them to come out here and see the difference between an action and an accident. Stupid bastards.'

The cover-up had begun."

And stupid bastards like you perpetuate the cover-up.

Congratulations.

Jeffrey St. Clair: When Israel Attacked the USS Liberty
Israel's Attack on Liberty

 

[MikeK]

Quote: Originally Posted by MikeK
The only reason I can think of is bribery of our congress by AIPAC, which is the second most powerful lobbying organization in Washington and it represents a foreign government.

AIPAC more powerful than the Goldman Sachs lobby? Noooo

AIPAC more powerful than the Saudi lobby? Noooooo

AIPAC more powerful than the teachers' lobby? Nooooo

AIPAC more powerful than the gun lobby? Nooooo

AIPAC more powerful than the drug lobby? Noooooo

AIPAC more powerful than SEIU? Noooooo

AIPAC more powerful than AARP? Noooooo

AIPAC more powerful than the Teamsters? Noooooo

AIPAC more powerful than the autoworkers union? Noooooo

In other words, you really don't know what the **** you're talking about

(Another one. They're like cockroaches.)


The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC; pronounced /'e?pæk/, ay-pak) is a lobbying group that advocates for pro-Israel policies to the Congress and Executive Branch of the United States. The current President of the AIPAC is Lee Rosenberg, from Chicago, Illinois.[1] As an independent, not-for-profit entity, AIPAC is funded entirely through contributions from its members.

Describing itself as "America's Pro-Israel Lobby,"[2] AIPAC is a mass-membership organization whose members include Democrats, Republicans, and independents. The New York Times calls it "the most important organization affecting America's relationship with Israel."[3] It has been described as one of the most powerful lobbying groups in Washington, DC, and its critics have stated it acts as an agent of the Israeli government with a "stranglehold" on the US Congress.[4]

In 2005, a Pentagon analyst pled guilty to charges of passing US government secrets to two AIPAC staffers in what is known as the AIPAC espionage scandal. Both staffers were later fired.[5]

In 1984 the FBI investigated after Israeli Minister of Economics Dan Halpern passed stolen classified US government documents to AIPAC outlining trade secrets of major US industries lobbying against the US-Israel Free Trade Area.


Link to the full article, in which AIPAC is identified as the second most powerful lobby in Washington:
American Israel Public Affairs Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


(Expect more denial, more hissing, spitting and name-calling now.)

 

[R.C. Christian]

My Uncle Himmie, along with my Uncle Morty, Uncle Shlmo and Uncle Weiss love the taste of American Gentile blood. They were flying the Israeli planes and by the wheel of the attack boats. They couldn't help themselves when they smell fresh American Gentile blood. It makes them go absolutely insane. So they attacked hoping to grab the remains for the big victory feast they were having soon to celebrate the royal ass-kicking during the 6 day war, hoping no one would notice!

Can you blame them gentile blood tastes the absolute BEST with matzo and greplock? Everyone knows Jews can't eat food not mixed with gentile blood!

Oh yea, they wanted to make sure they didn't have a shortage of organs. I mean there was a war taking place. That was motivation also!

Are you mentally ill?

 

[MikeK]

AIPAC listed 2nd most powerful group on Fortune list
DANIEL KURTZMAN
Jewish Telegraphic Agency

A forthcoming edition of Fortune magazine ranks the American Israel Public Affairs Committee as the second most powerful interest group in Washington.

The magazine, which based its findings on a survey of Washington political players, said AIPAC - along with the Association of Trial Lawyers and the American Medical Association -owes its high ranking in part to its "substantial campaign contributions." But, it said, interest groups are valued more for "the votes they can deliver."

AIPAC listed 2nd most powerful group on Fortune list

 

[R.C. Christian]

Israel is parasite clinging to the U.S.

 

[eots]

My Uncle Himmie, along with my Uncle Morty, Uncle Shlmo and Uncle Weiss love the taste of American Gentile blood. They were flying the Israeli planes and by the wheel of the attack boats. They couldn't help themselves when they smell fresh American Gentile blood. It makes them go absolutely insane. So they attacked hoping to grab the remains for the big victory feast they were having soon to celebrate the royal ass-kicking during the 6 day war, hoping no one would notice!

Can you blame them gentile blood tastes the absolute BEST with matzo and greplock? Everyone knows Jews can't eat food not mixed with gentile blood!

Oh yea, they wanted to make sure they didn't have a shortage of organs. I mean there was a war taking place. That was motivation also!

Are you mentally ill?

Yes, he was quite mad...

 

[Marc39]

Israel is parasite clinging to the U.S.

Warren Buffett knows better, you moron...

"Israel is now a major factor in commerce and in the world, and, is a smaller replica of what has been accomplished in the US and I think Americans admire that. They feel good about a society that is on the move

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaN_2nFqFtI]YouTube - Warren Buffet Supports the U.S.-Israel Relationship[/ame]