USS liberty

[MikeK]

Amazing how some people ignore the concrete evidence that it was an accident.

All of the concrete evidence presently available, which is mainly the testimony of the survivors in Lt. Ennes' book, makes it clear that the attack was deliberate. Aside from the vaguely stated opinion of a JAG officer there is absolutely nothing contained in the hearing minutes you've posted here that in any way suggests the attack was accidental. The most relevent statement occurs at #57 (in part two of your message) in which it is determined that the ensign (American Flag) was flying prior to and after the attack. The obvious question is whether or not the Israeli Defense Forces are issued binoculars.

You should know this incident is far from being lost in the fog of history. The following is excerpted from a TruthOut article which refers to another recent attack by Israel on an unarmed vessel and indicates ongoing interest in pursuing the truth about what happened to the Liberty.


In 2003, an independent commission of highly regarded experts was created to look into the matter. The Moorer Commission, named after its chairman, included Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy (Ret.), former chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff and Gen. Raymond G. Davis, United States Marine Corps and former assistant commandant of the Marine Corps.

Findings of this commission included: "Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty ... Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty's life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded ... Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew."

Ray McGovern is a senior CIA analyst who served under seven presidents - from John Kennedy to George H. W. Bush.

McGovern is clear about why he believes the US government continues to refuse to launch an investigation. "For the same reason that President Johnson called back the fighter/bombers; i.e., so as not to embarrass our friend Israel," McGovern explained to Truthout, "It is my view that the killing of 34 USS Liberty crew and wounded more than 170 others and the fact that the US Navy, Congress, executive branch not only prohibited the survivors to speak about it, but also launched faux 'inquiries,' is the poster child for what is wrong with the US relationship with Israel, showing the penchant of senior US officials to sacrifice honesty, justice, and US servicemen on the sacral altar of "compassionate attachment" to Israel."

t r u t h o u t | US Navy Veterans Continue to Seek Justice for Israeli Attack

 

[eots]

Since you think all of the US government is corrupt why don't you formally join Al Qaida?

because that would be stupid and illogical to abandon ones country for government corruption in favor of a even more corrupt entity that was essintialy created by that very same corrupt government

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[CMike]

To the galactically stupid .

The Israeli pilots talking to each other and their command was caught by a US spy plane.

The transcript was declassified. I posted it.

It confirms that the pilots thought it was an egyptian ship.

This evidence is irrefutable.

 

[CMike]

Also your sources are extremely biased which means using them proves nothing.

There is no reason to believe any of the information is true.

Anyone can say anything on a web site, it doesn't mean it's true.

 

[eots]

To the galactically stupid .

The Israeli pilots talking to each other and their command was caught by a US spy plane.

The transcript was declassified. I posted it.

It confirms that the pilots thought it was an egyptian ship.

This evidence is irrefutable.

Yes and OJ is innocent.. I have the court transcript to prove it.. the evidence is irrefutable !!

 

[CMike]

To the galactically stupid .

The Israeli pilots talking to each other and their command was caught by a US spy plane.

The transcript was declassified. I posted it.

It confirms that the pilots thought it was an egyptian ship.

This evidence is irrefutable.

Yes and OJ is innocent.. I have the court transcript to prove it.. the evidence is irrefutable !!

1) You are an idiot

2) It's a transcript of the Israeli pilots and their command as they were talking during the incident

3)

 

[eots]

To the galactically stupid .

The Israeli pilots talking to each other and their command was caught by a US spy plane.

The transcript was declassified. I posted it.

It confirms that the pilots thought it was an egyptian ship.

This evidence is irrefutable.

Yes and OJ is innocent.. I have the court transcript to prove it.. the evidence is irrefutable !!

1) You are an idiot

2) It's a transcript of the Israeli pilots and their command as they were talking during the incident

3)

Says who ? , the perpetrators ?...

 

[CMike]

The National Security Agency.

I also provided the link to the document.

 

[Intense]

Read the document of the transcript of the Israeli pilots as gotten by a US spy plane.

It shows that the Israelis thought it was an Egyptian ship.

That confirms beyond any doubt it was an accident.

I posted the link to the actual document several times here.

A US ship off the Egyptian coast in a hot war is not a safe place to be.

Sorry Charlie, it was a clusterfuck that both Countries contributed to. There was confusion, distrust, and withheld information, which compounded a tragedy. Repeated strafing's, a torpedo strike, napalm. It was before the torpedo attack that the Israeli Pilots realized the Ship was not Arab. Was it an accident????? Yes. Did both sides contribute to the loss of life????? Yes. Thank God that no nukes were used that day.

USS Liberty: Israel Did Not Intend to Bomb the Ship

 

[Intense]

The National Security Agency.

I also provided the link to the document.

Don't you know that the NSA does not really exist Mike.

 

[CMike]

Cute editorial that has nothing to do with reality.

 

[CMike]

The National Security Agency.

I also provided the link to the document.

Don't you know that the NSA does not really exist Mike.

 

[Intense]

Cute editorial that has nothing to do with reality.

It actually supports most of what you claim. You just want to here what you want to hear. The point in question is when did the Israeli's find out that the ship was not Arab. Why were they even trying to communicate with the Liberty before the torpedo and napalm attacks????? Both sides fucked up. Why can't you just accept that? Where were the Joint Chief's through all of this????? Where was the rescue????? Why no intervention????? This encounter is loaded with coulda-woulda-shoulda's all the way through. Only a Government Bureaucrat would fail to see that.

 

[CMike]

Why don't you read the US naval court of testimony transcript and find out for yourself rather than rely on conspiracy theories?

 

[CMike]

Also I am not making claims, I provided the facts.

 

[Intense]

You provide them and then ignore them.

 

[CMike]

Books are opinions.

I provided the proof from the NSA, US navy, joint chiefs, cia, and the senate intelligence committee.

I don't care about someone selling his book.

 

[MikeK]

Letter to Israel from Secretary Of State Dean Rusk re: Attack on USS Liberty:


35 Diplomatic Note From Secretary of State Rusk to the Israeli Ambassador, National Archives and Records Administration,
RG 59, Central Files 1967-69, POL 27 ARAB-ISR., Exhibit 20
“Washington, June 10, 1967.

The Secretary of State presents his compliments to His Excellency the Ambassador of Israel and has the honor to refer to the Ambassadors Note of June 10, 1967 concerning the attack by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats on the United States naval vessel U.S.S. Liberty, which was carried out at 1605 and 1625 hours local time. Respectively, on June 8, 1967 while the U.S.S. Liberty was engaged in peaceful activities in international
waters.

At the time of the attack, the U.S.S Liberty was flying the American flag and its identification was clearly indicated in large white letters and numerals on its hull. It was broad daylight and the weather conditions were excellent. Experience demonstrates that both the flag and the identification number of the vessel were readily visible from the air. At 1450 hours local time on June 8, 1967, two Israeli aircraft circled the U.S.S. Liberty three times, with the evident purpose of identifying the vessel. Accordingly there is every reason to believe that the U.S.S Liberty was identified, or at least her nationality determined, by Israeli aircraft approximately one hour before the attack. In these circumstances, the later military attack by Israeli aircraft on the U.S.S. Liberty is quite literally incomprehensible. As a minimum, the attack must be condemned as an act of military recklessness reflecting wanton disregard for human life.

The subsequent attack by Israeli torpedo boats, substantially after the vessel was or should have been identified by Israeli military forces, manifests the same reckless disregard for human life. The silhouette and conduct of the U.S.S Liberty readily distinguished it from any vessel that could have been considered as hostile.

The U.S.S. Liberty was peacefully engaged, posed no threat whatsoever to the torpedo boats, and obviously carried no armament affording it a combat capability. It could and should have been scrutinized visually at close range before torpedoes were fired.

While the Ambassador of Israel has informed Secretary of State that "the Government of Israel is prepared to make amends for the tragic loss of life and material damage," the Secretary of State wishes to make clear that the United States Government expects the Government of Israel also to take the disciplinary measures which international law requires in the event of wrongful conduct by the military personnel of a State. He wishes also to make clear that the United States Government expects the Government of Israel to issue instructions necessary to ensure that United States personnel and property will not again be endangered by the wrongful actions of Israeli military personnel.

The United States Government expects that the Government of Israel will provide compensation in accordance with international law to the extent that it is possible to compensate for the losses sustained in this tragic event. The Department of State will, in the near future, present to the Government of Israel a full monetary statement of its claim.”

http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

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The above letter makes it clear that even though the Secretary of State's immediate inquiry into the incident satisfied him that the attack was deliberate his tone is that of scolding a naughty child rather than addressing a protectorate which had just committed an egregious act of war against the United States by deliberately attacking a U.S. Naval vessel, callously murdering and injuring its sailors, and then pretending it was an accident. This clearly reflects the disposition of the Johnson Administration toward Israel, the reason for which is utterly baffling to me and to every loyal American citizen I've discussed this issue with.

The glaring question is why was Israel allowed to get away with this?

 

[Intense]

Books are opinions.

I provided the proof from the NSA, US navy, joint chiefs, cia, and the senate intelligence committee.

I don't care about someone selling his book.

Right. You don't care about the Book, you don't care about the facts that disagree with your position, you don't care about the truth, which obviously has no or little relevance to your position. You have made that abundantly clear. It's official though. The Joint Chiefs really outdid themselves that day, and in the cover up. You wouldn't know about that though, not having even heard the other side of the argument. Did I tell you, I think you are perfectly suited for Government work.

 

[CMike]