Synthaholic
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US lawmakers see no Trump plan for Iran following strikes
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Synthaholic
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Actually, Trump can't be trusted, and the whole world knows it.
Trump has united the Arab world and Israel against your pals and allies in Tehran.
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47 painted himself into this corner. NATO Allies, whom he has attacked time and again will NOT help him. Spain has closed its airspace U.S. Military Aircraft. His Illegal and Unconstitutional War is NOT popular and his sinking poll number show that.
He dragging Republicans down with him. BiBi played for the fool that he is. IF anyone for one second thinks that Russia would tolerate U.S. ground forces in Iran, I have a bridge I can sell you for just one dollar and I will throw in a year of no fog for free.
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The democrats who have no plan for America claim Trump has no plan for Iran.‘The United States has yet to spell out a "day-after" strategy for Iran following joint U.S.-Israeli strikes that killed much of the country's leadership, lawmakers from both major political parties said on Sunday.
[...]
The strategy Trump has publicly outlined so far hinges largely on the hope that the Iranian people will rise up and determine their own future after decades of repression.’
Trump is an ignoramus and a fool – the Iranian people aren’t going to ‘rise up.’
Here’s why:
“The Real Reason Relates to the Largely Unknown Security Measures That the Regime Preemptively Activated the Moment That Israel’s Operations Started.
[…]
As Israel took control of Iranian airspace, the Iranian Interior Ministry’s National Security Council gave orders to the IRGC operational-security military headquarters to neutralize any gathering that could lead to protests.”
Why Don’t the Iranian People Rise Up?
The Real Reason Relates to the Largely Unknown Security Measures That the Regime Preemptively Activated the Moment That Israel’s Operations Startedwww.meforum.org
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WSJ GIFT LINK: Trump might end the war without trying to forcibly open Hormuz.
It stinks, but this is likely the least bad choice in a situation of all bad options. Ending the U.S. war is a necessary condition, but possibly not a sufficient one, for Iran reopening the strait.
I get that it feels irresponsible for the U.S. to simply leave after creating a mess. It’s maddening, but might be for the best. Hear me out.
Trump created a global public bad by attacking Iran and prompting the regime to close the strait. It was a colossal mistake that has caused pain in the U.S. and beyond.
But cutting U.S. losses in a failed war makes more sense than continued fighting for a lost cause. And if the U.S. keeps fighting, no doubt Iran will continue to threaten the strait.
If the U.S. quits the war, that would increase the political pressure on Iran to reopen the strait now that hostilities are over. Iran may try to extract “tolls” and if the Tehran Tollbooth persists after the war, it will be a lasting reminder of U.S. policy failure.
But the tolls themselves aren’t that high — $2 million on a VLCC carrying 2 million barrels is just a $1/barrel surcharge, amounting to a 1% tax. Not great, but better than what oil prices are doing now.
It would also incentivize Iran to keep traffic moving securely through Hormuz by monetizing safe transit. Yes I know it rewards bad behavior and morally it stinks for an odious regime to profit, but that’s the reality that Trump’s blunderous war has bestowed on us all.
There’s a reason most of us don’t worry about Egypt (today) closing Suez or Panama closing its canal — the profit motive is powerful.
Overall if Trump ends the war (which he should) with the Tollbooth intact, we are all worse off than we were on February 27, but better off than where we are now, and better than where we could be if the war stretches on for months or years.
I know it’s not a satisfying ending but it’s pragmatic and we don’t live in the best of all possible worlds.
There is one problem, though: Israel. Trump will almost certainly need to restrain Israel from continuing its war for Iran to reopen the strait. It should be a no-brainer: Israel is the junior partner and Trump should have the leverage to make them stop, given how much military aid the U.S. gives to Israel.
But it’s not clear Trump will use it.
It stinks, but this is likely the least bad choice in a situation of all bad options. Ending the U.S. war is a necessary condition, but possibly not a sufficient one, for Iran reopening the strait.
I get that it feels irresponsible for the U.S. to simply leave after creating a mess. It’s maddening, but might be for the best. Hear me out.
Trump created a global public bad by attacking Iran and prompting the regime to close the strait. It was a colossal mistake that has caused pain in the U.S. and beyond.
But cutting U.S. losses in a failed war makes more sense than continued fighting for a lost cause. And if the U.S. keeps fighting, no doubt Iran will continue to threaten the strait.
If the U.S. quits the war, that would increase the political pressure on Iran to reopen the strait now that hostilities are over. Iran may try to extract “tolls” and if the Tehran Tollbooth persists after the war, it will be a lasting reminder of U.S. policy failure.
But the tolls themselves aren’t that high — $2 million on a VLCC carrying 2 million barrels is just a $1/barrel surcharge, amounting to a 1% tax. Not great, but better than what oil prices are doing now.
It would also incentivize Iran to keep traffic moving securely through Hormuz by monetizing safe transit. Yes I know it rewards bad behavior and morally it stinks for an odious regime to profit, but that’s the reality that Trump’s blunderous war has bestowed on us all.
There’s a reason most of us don’t worry about Egypt (today) closing Suez or Panama closing its canal — the profit motive is powerful.
Overall if Trump ends the war (which he should) with the Tollbooth intact, we are all worse off than we were on February 27, but better off than where we are now, and better than where we could be if the war stretches on for months or years.
I know it’s not a satisfying ending but it’s pragmatic and we don’t live in the best of all possible worlds.
There is one problem, though: Israel. Trump will almost certainly need to restrain Israel from continuing its war for Iran to reopen the strait. It should be a no-brainer: Israel is the junior partner and Trump should have the leverage to make them stop, given how much military aid the U.S. gives to Israel.
But it’s not clear Trump will use it.
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“Kiss my ass” was a very undiplomatic thing for trump to say
Sometimes he talks too much
Now we will have to kiss the Saudi prince’s ass make up for it
But it does not change the basic fact that the US and Saudi Arabia need each other
Donald Trump’s 'kiss my a**’ remark for Saudi Crown Prince triggers worldwide backlash: ‘Shameful and disgusting’
Trump’s crude remark about Saudi Crown Prince ignites global outrage, raising questions about diplomacy, respect, and international alliances.
me.mashable.com
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These politicians are fucked. Thank Bibi, Dementia Donny, and the MAGA Cult.
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Our NATO ally
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