US Army officer ousted for calling out Israel

[konradv]

When one is in the military, and he receives an order to do something that greatly troubles his conscience. Should he be able to refuse to do it? Yes or no. And don't try to weasel your way out of it, you little shit.

This was about speech, not actions, skippy! Do you know anything about the military or are you just one of those armchair generals?

 

[MayorQuimby]

This was about speech, not actions, skippy! Do you know anything about the military or are you just one of those armchair generals?

Not sure what you are trying to say, you goose-stepping, would-do-anything-my-army sergeant-told-me-to-do, good little robot soldier boy, but, are you saying that it is OK to disobey an immoral order, but to talk about it openly, is a big no-no?

 

[konradv]

Not sure what you are trying to say, you goose-stepping, would-do-anything-my-army sergeant-told-me-to-do, good little robot soldier boy, but, are you saying that it is OK to disobey an immoral order, but to talk about it openly, is a big no-no?

When you’re an active duty military officer, YES.

 

[MayorQuimby]

When you’re an active duty military officer, YES.

Even when you're told to gang-rape a 12-year-old girl to death?

 

[konradv]

Even when you're told to gang-rape a 12-year-old girl to death?

There are channels and social media ain’t it.

 

[MayorQuimby]

There are channels and social media ain’t it.

I see that you are feeling the heat from my question and have chosen to weasel out of it.

Again, I will repeat my question below, and this time, answer with either a Yes or No, like you still have a spine (which your boyfriend just rode on for 5 hours last night):

Should you be allowed to blow the whistle on your army superior, when you're told to gang-rape a 12-year-old girl to death?

 

[konradv]

I see that you are feeling the heat from my question and have chosen to weasel out of it.

Again, I will repeat my question below, and this time, answer with either a Yes or No, like you still have a spine (which your boyfriend just rode on for 5 hours last night):

Should you be allowed to blow the whistle on your army superior, when you're told to gang-rape a 12-year-old girl to death?

This is a message board. Get a grip. The only heat I’m feeling is from the oppressive summer weather.

 

[MayorQuimby]

This is a message board. Get a grip. The only heat I’m feeling is from the oppressive summer weather.

Aww, little female dog is being confronted with the fact that maybe, just maybe, when a soldier is given a highly immoral order, that he is obligated to blow the whistle on it.

You poor, sweet little pregnant chihuahua.

 

[konradv]

Aww, little female dog is being confronted with the fact that maybe, just maybe, when a soldier is given a highly immoral order, that he is obligated to blow the whistle on it.

You poor, sweet little pregnant chihuahua.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Come here lil female dog and let me rub your belly

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

This is a message board. Get a grip. The only heat I’m feeling is from the oppressive summer weather.

This is why people don’t take you seriously ….answer the question. I’ll answer …Of course it is 100% right for a military member to refuse a higher order to rape a young girl. The f is going on here…boy your something else.

Now go ahead and provide your answer.

 

[Godboy]

I don't know enough about your country to know if this is true, but if it is, then it's really fucked up. Anybody should be free to disagree with the government's official positions. If people can't, then it means the country is a dictatorship. As for active duty officers....I am not too sure about the legality of it, I guess that they can probably be disciplined in some way, probably on the grounds of compromising the national security or something or other. It's still not right though. People should have the freedom of conscience. People should be able to disagree with anything and everything their government does, regardless of whether they are directly employed by said government.

On the first day of boot camp in the US military, you sign away several Constitutional rights, including your rights to free speech.

You cant have soldiers who are required to obey the orders of "the Commander in Chief" (aka, the President of the United States) also shit talking the Commander in Chief and undermining his official US positions. That kind of individuality doesnt create a world class cohesive military. Every member has to be on the same program, otherwise it just becomes a chaotic monkey shit fight in the zoo.

 

[j-mac]

This is why people don’t take you seriously ….answer the question. I’ll answer …Of course it is 100% right for a military member to refuse a higher order to rape a young girl. The f is going on here…boy your something else.

Now go ahead and provide your answer.

First, that would never happen. It’s a ridiculous notion..

And, it’s not the morality of it, it’s the unlawfulness.

 

[Godboy]

Not sure what you are trying to say, you goose-stepping, would-do-anything-my-army sergeant-told-me-to-do, good little robot soldier boy, but, are you saying that it is OK to disobey an immoral order, but to talk about it openly, is a big no-no?

Its immoral to kill a man, yet you might be ordered to do so if youre in the military. Morals are not a consideration for anything in the military. All that matters is the law.

You are REQUIRED to disobey unlawful orders in the military. If a superior orders you to break the law, you refuse, and you might even get arrested for refusing his order, then you let the military courts decide if you were right to disobey the order. Thats how it works in the US military.

 

[Godboy]

When one is in the military, and he receives an order to do something that greatly troubles his conscience. Should he be able to refuse to do it? Yes or no. And don't try to weasel your way out of it, you little shit.

No, he should not be able to refuse it. Dont join the military if your conscience is going to get in the way of the job. Refusing will result in an immediate court martial and you WILL go to military prison for it.

There is of course the "conscienctious objector" thing, but i dont want to over complicate this discussion.

 

[j-mac]

No, he should not be able to refuse it. Dont join the military if your conscience is going to get in the way of the job. Refusing will result in an immediate court martial and you WILL go to military prison for it.

There is of course the "conscienctious objector" thing, but i dont want to over complicate this discussion.

That’s only for participating in a war, and once raised, you are discharged immediately.

 

[Grau]

Those Holocaust theme parks/memorial buildings...etc are something that I have always been thinking about. I don't understand why they exist in the US. The Holocaust happened in Germany. If they really want people to remember the past and not to make the same mistake again, wouldn't it make more sense to build those parks etc in Germany? What are the parks doing in the US? The US did not commit genocide against Jews. US has nothing to do with Germany, the only link between the two countries is that they are both mostly Germanic. And of course, to Jews, this means these two countries are one and the same. The fact that Jews felt the need to build their little parks here in the US tells us how their minds work.

I am not unsympathetic to the suffering of others, past and present, but am repulsed at the crass and fraudulent machinations of the Holocaust Industry (1), (2) and the equally repulsive exploitation of the Holocaust(3) to commit a more egregious genocide.

I agree that American taxpayers should not be saddled with the marketing of Holocaustian pity mongering as the main US Holocaust theme park sits on $ Trillion dollar real estate and costs Americans $ 100 Million per year.

I can think of no other similar tragedy that has been so obscenely used to extract countless $ Billions not only from innocent Germans but from any and every country, industry or entity targeted by Holocaustian extortionists.

Finally, if its not about the money, why, then, is no amount of money enough?


This is why sensationalized and over embellished Holocaust theme parks belong in Israel:

Thanks,

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(1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million | The Jerusalem Post

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.” CONTINUED



(3). "Israel exploits Holocaust to mask its 'genocide' in Gaza, survivor says"


"Holocaust survivor Stephen Kapos has condemned Israel's Gaza atrocities, drawing parallels to the Holocaust, urging global awareness and response."

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EXCERPT "Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust as a cover to carry out the same atrocities in Gaza, according to a Holocaust survivor.

Stephen Kapos, an 87-year-old Holocaust survivor from Budapest, believes there is no doubt that Israel is committing a “genocide” in Gaza.

“I am here because I protest against the use of the memory of the Holocaust as a cover and as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against the Palestinian people,” Kapos, who lost most of his family in the Holocaust, told Anadolu news agency at a recent pro-Palestine rally in London." CONTINUED

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

On the first day of boot camp in the US military, you sign away several Constitutional rights, including your rights to free speech.

You cant have soldiers who are required to obey the orders of "the Commander in Chief" (aka, the President of the United States) also shit talking the Commander in Chief and undermining his official US positions. That kind of individuality doesnt create a world class cohesive military. Every member has to be on the same program, otherwise it just becomes a chaotic monkey shit fight in the zoo.

It’s not about that.

We’re talking about grave crimes here by the IDF…not about some policy disagreement

Again many people are not criticizing Israel or Zionism in general. There are some criticizing Jews and Judaism in general. That’s no different than people who criticize Muslims/Islam or Hinduism/Indians.

Israel as a nuclear arm country is going nowhere. They even get assistance from Saudi Arabia when it comes to intelligence.

Every country has a dark history and that is what Israel is going through right now the only question is who will criticize it. As there are Jewish supremacist in Israel who have a lot of power right now. By their own words, they think God has entitled them to all of Israel and that’s why they’re even blowing up Christian churches. Similar to the ISIL mentality

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

First, that would never happen. It’s a ridiculous notion..

And, it’s not the morality of it, it’s the unlawfulness.

It’s not ridiculous because such crimes have occurred even in the history of the US military. Like in Vietnam.

It’s going to happen everywhere, simply due to the nature of humans. The only question is who will stand up to such a situation.

 

[theHawk]

The Zionists are the real snowflakes who get offended whenever someone calls them out.

Doesn’t seem to me like they care.

Palestinians are the biggest snowflakes. They started another war with Israel and now they are complaining about how bad they are getting their asses kicked. All while continuing to support terrorism against Israel.