US Army officer ousted for calling out Israel

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

To “occupy” would presume that Palestinians were in control of the land before. They weren’t. It was conquered by the British. Before that the Ottomans.

Don’t really care if you consider it the same war, where they got their asses kicked in ‘67.


Do you support native Americans resorting to terrorist acts like launching missiles at civilian targets in America?
If not, why not? Their land was “stolen” right?

I am no “shill” for Israel. I believe Talmudic Judaism is a false religion. That doesn’t mean I support Palestinians in any way. Muslims are probably just as much are enemies as the Fake Jews

Easy there is no warfare being waged by Native Americans against non-natives. It’s because the United States is truly a melting pot of cultures now. That’s just not the case in the holy land today.

big difference is America is a country with 50 states. Everyone is equal doesn’t matter if you’re black, native , white , Christian Muslim etc. But in Israel, the Israeli government are the overlords of the Palestinian territories controlling the water and power into those territories. And it is effectively a situation where the people in Israel have access to much more resources and even guns where that is simply not an option for people living in Gaza or the West Bank. See if you’re an American citizen doesn’t matter if you’re native or not you have access to get a gun. You might have to take a course for it, but you got that access. Along with many more things.


Our military is very diverse …our immigration laws dont Discriminate … Israel specifically goes for Jewish immigrants as it is very difficult to get Israeli citizenship if one is not Jewish.


Big big difference

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

So, you think that what you see in a Scorsese war film, or heard stories of VN, that today’s military on whole would do this?

You’re just nuts if you think so..

No, it’s simply a fact that all through history there have been military personnel who have engaged in highly immoral acts. Just human nature that’s all.

 

[j-mac]

No, it’s simply a fact that all through history there have been military personnel who have engaged in highly immoral acts. Just human nature that’s all.

You’re talking about a scenario where a superior orders a subordinate to rape….Thats nuts…And I thought better of your intellectual ability than that ffs.

sigh

Ok, first off, that would NEVER happen, second, outside the sheer evil of that, it would be an illegal order, so NO. I wouldn’t follow it, and I would report it up the chain of command, and the person giving that order would be arrested.

And, let me just say. This is the stupidest, and most insulting thing I’ve seen for those who’ve served on our military. You have to have the worst of the worst disdain for those of us that have worn the uniform of this nation to even think that would be a thing. Shame on you.

 

[Godboy]

It’s not a policy dispute. Because there have been American soldiers working as contractors on the ground in food distribution sites in Gaza, who have witnessed the crimes by the IDF. It’s no different than in any war where someone who is morally upright and motivated by good reports a crime.


The American Colonel in question that the original post talks about also has a friend who is an officer in the Israeli defense forces who has also brought up the crimes of the IDF. So there you go man. This has nothing to do with criticizing Israel or Jews in general. It’s the right thing to do. Really only the racist fanatics in Israel are trying to put a spin on this thing or they outright support cleansing Gaza of Palestinians and filling it with Jewish settlers.

Our soldiers have seen many crimes over the years. The Taliban loved dressing up little boys as little girls, making them dance, then they would molest them. Im not sure why you think its ok for soldiers to shit on US policy though. It definitely isnt.

 

[Godboy]

What if they gave you an order to **** your sister in her cooch?

Thats not a lawful order. A soldier would disobey that order with zero issues.

 

[Godboy]

Of course, this, to you, is a very good thing.

Not surprised at all. Not at all.

There is a difference between "shit-talking" about the CiC, and whistle-blowing on being given extremely morally repugnant orders.

Question for you, you little lover of circumcised dicks: If your army superior asked you to rape a 12-year-old girl, would you do it?




First of all, you call having a conscience "individuality". LMAO.

Secondly, what's the point of having a world-class military, if you are just gonna go around doing extremely immoral things?




I know that. And I am not saying that there should be the same level of freedom in the armed forces as in civilian life. However, I am talking about something different. I am talking about whether soldiers should be able to exercise their conscience, when they are given an extremely immoral order. This has nothing to do with allowing individuality. It has to do with freedom of conscience, and whether it has a place in the armed forces, which, I agree, involves obedience and order and such, as it is a very different kind of environment.




So, if your army sergeant asked you to put dynamite up the vagina of a 13-year-old and then detonate it, and as soon as he assures you that it's legal, you would do it?



If soldiers are required to disobey unlawful orders, I don't see why they can't also disobey immoral orders.



That sounds fair to me. So, if my army superior asked me to do something immoral, I want to be able to refuse it, and then let the military courts decide, too. But according to you, this shouldn't happen.




Then this sounds like your system is fucked up. Why should people go to prison for refusing to do something that offends their conscience to an extreme degree? Now, I am not talking about things like, say, animal welfare. For example, if they ask you to blow up a cow and you refuse because it goes against your personal codes, then I can see being sent to jail. But what if it was something that is universally regarded as being extremely offensive to human conscience? Think stuff like gang-raping young girls to death, or shoving a bayonet into the vagina of a pregnant woman. Honestly, you really think soldiers should be punished for refusing to do things like these?



I agree mostly, however, I just want to emphasize that it has nothing to do with holocaust (I am refusing to capitalize this filthy word, just to piss Jews off) museums being located on prime lands. Rather, it's a matter of principle. What are holocaust museums doing in the States? holocaust, as it were, happened in Germany. And the US is not Germany. So why should there be any holocaust museums here? Even one is too ******* many.

They are getting their asses kicked, because Israel receives money and military tech from the States. I mean, from you chumps.



I wonder if they have a good reason for that?

You are VERY confused. You cant seem to grasp the difference between lawful and unlawful orders. As for "morally repugnant" orders, do you have an example of one? Im guessing that you dont.

 

[Godboy]

Whatever the technical correctness of either view, the fact remains, thou shalt not speak ill of Israel.

Speaking ill of Israel is virtually all you people do.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

You’re talking about a scenario where a superior orders a subordinate to rape….Thats nuts…And I thought better of your intellectual ability than that ffs.

sigh

Ok, first off, that would NEVER happen, second, outside the sheer evil of that, it would be an illegal order, so NO. I wouldn’t follow it, and I would report it up the chain of command, and the person giving that order would be arrested.

And, let me just say. This is the stupidest, and most insulting thing I’ve seen for those who’ve served on our military. You have to have the worst of the worst disdain for those of us that have worn the uniform of this nation to even think that would be a thing. Shame on you.

No it’s very simple…. whether or not people are in the military, they are prone to committing crimes.

It’s not just a superior officer providing a bad order. But any member of the military committing a bad deed and then another member deciding to do something about it or not.

Lighten up I fully support the military and reject radical leftism

 

[Grau]

To “occupy” would presume that Palestinians were in control of the land before. They weren’t. It was conquered by the British. Before that the Ottomans.

Don’t really care if you consider it the same war, where they got their asses kicked in ‘67.


Do you support native Americans resorting to terrorist acts like launching missiles at civilian targets in America?
If not, why not? Their land was “stolen” right?

I am no “shill” for Israel. I believe Talmudic Judaism is a false religion. That doesn’t mean I support Palestinians in any way. Muslims are probably just as much are enemies as the Fake Jews

OK then, I apologize for the "shill" characterization and much prefer civil, on-topic and substantive discussion over the snarky and puerile exchanging of insults so frequently seen here.

Long before the Ottomans and the British, the Arabs controlled Palestine. Before them, the ancient Hebrews and before them, the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Jebusites etc.

During British occupation, the Arabs were promised and earned Palestine under the McMahon Agreement(1) by fighting along with the British against the Ottomans.

While the Arabs were sacrificing their lives for the return of Palestine, the machinations of influential Zionist lobbies in London managed to have the McMahon Agreement abrogated in favor of the Balfour Declaration.

Under Balfour, Palestine's tiny Jewish population was given over half of Palestine by the foreign British occupiers.

Not satisfied with most of Palestine, foreign, European Zionists trained and armed by National Socialist Germany (2) invaded and occupied Palestine and began exterminating and expelling Palestine's native residents of generations.

These same Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs also benefited from an enormous amount of sophisticated German weaponry even after WW 2. (3), (4) when the Haganah became IDF.

I think that it is safe to conclude that without professional German military training and superior German weaponry, Haganah / IDF would have been driven into the sea.

In addition to unlimited German weaponry, Israel's 1967 victory was a result of years of training, planning and the element of surprise.

Please note:
“I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent to the Sinai, on May 14, would not have been sufficient to start an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Yitzhak Rabin)

Israel's attack on Egypt in June '67 was not 'preemptive'

The claim that Israel's attack on Egypt in June 1967 was "preemptive" is a popular one, but historically false.

www.foreignpolicyjournal.com

Re:

Do you support native Americans resorting to terrorist acts like launching missiles at civilian targets in America?

Essentially, you are admitting that what the current Israeli government is doing is a cruel and criminal injustice and, as a general rule, one cruel and criminal injustice does not justify another.

Re:

Muslims are probably just as much are enemies as the Fake Jews

Because I was treated wonderfully by the Muslims when I spent 10 -11 months walking and hitch hiking throughout the Islamic Middle East, I do not consider the Muslims to be our enemies.

After all:

“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
– John Sheehan, Society of Jesus. (Jesuit priest)


The numerous Muslims who gave me rides, treated me to meals, shelter and tours of ancient archeologic ruins expected nothing in return as many of them had never seen a Westerner.
I spent countless hours among curious groups of Muslims who wanted to know all about America, American movies, American cars and life in America.

They expressed admiration and respect for the American people but, naturally, resent the US Governments "Israel First" Middle East policy.

Among the two questions I was most frequently asked were:
1. "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"
2. "Why does the American government help the Israelis kill the Palestinians and steal their land?"

I tried to explain the toxic influence of Western pro Israel MSM (5) on naive and gullible Americans and the equally destructive power of influential and insatiably parasitic Zionist lobbies but the Muslims with whom I conversed couldn't understand why people as sophisticated as Americans could be so easily deceived, exploited and manipulated nor can I.

Even though this was over 50 years ago, I consider the promises that I made to my numerous Muslim hosts to do what I could to help bring about an equitable US Middle East policy just as valid today as they were over 50 years ago.

I hope that this explains why I support an even handed US Middle East policy which is the only way to bring peace to the region and spare the lives of more American G.I.s already in the region.

Thanks,



(1). "The McMahon Agreement"

The McMahon Agreement - History Learning Site

The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East...

www.historylearningsite.co.uk

EXCERPT "The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East history and seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917."CONTINUED


(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(3). “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED


(4). “German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation”
German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation

EXCERPT “Israel profited from cooperation by having a reliable and quick source for spare parts and complete weapon systems – even in times of war, when other nations like the United States, Great Britain and France were more restrictive in supplying arms to Israel. Another advantage was the willingness of the German government to pay for these exports to Israel."CONTINUED


(5). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with," CONTINUED

 

[theHawk]

OK then, I apologize for the "shill" characterization and much prefer civil, on-topic and substantive discussion over the snarky and puerile exchanging of insults so frequently seen here.

Long before the Ottomans and the British, the Arabs controlled Palestine. Before them, the ancient Hebrews and before them, the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Jebusites etc.

During British occupation, the Arabs were promised and earned Palestine under the McMahon Agreement(1) by fighting along with the British against the Ottomans.

While the Arabs were sacrificing their lives for the return of Palestine, the machinations of influential Zionist lobbies in London managed to have the McMahon Agreement abrogated in favor of the Balfour Declaration.

Under Balfour, Palestine's tiny Jewish population was given over half of Palestine by the foreign British occupiers.

Not satisfied with most of Palestine, foreign, European Zionists trained and armed by National Socialist Germany (2) invaded and occupied Palestine and began exterminating and expelling Palestine's native residents of generations.

These same Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs also benefited from an enormous amount of sophisticated German weaponry even after WW 2. (3), (4) when the Haganah became IDF.

I think that it is safe to conclude that without professional German military training and superior German weaponry, Haganah / IDF would have been driven into the sea.

In addition to unlimited German weaponry, Israel's 1967 victory was a result of years of training, planning and the element of surprise.

Please note:
“I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent to the Sinai, on May 14, would not have been sufficient to start an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Yitzhak Rabin)

Israel's attack on Egypt in June '67 was not 'preemptive'

The claim that Israel's attack on Egypt in June 1967 was "preemptive" is a popular one, but historically false.

www.foreignpolicyjournal.com

Re:


Essentially, you are admitting that what the current Israeli government is doing is a cruel and criminal injustice and, as a general rule, one cruel and criminal injustice does not justify another.

Re:


Because I was treated wonderfully by the Muslims when I spent 10 -11 months walking and hitch hiking throughout the Islamic Middle East, I do not consider the Muslims to be our enemies.

After all:

“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
– John Sheehan, Society of Jesus. (Jesuit priest)


The numerous Muslims who gave me rides, treated me to meals, shelter and tours of ancient archeologic ruins expected nothing in return as many of them had never seen a Westerner.
I spent countless hours among curious groups of Muslims who wanted to know all about America, American movies, American cars and life in America.

They expressed admiration and respect for the American people but, naturally, resent the US Governments "Israel First" Middle East policy.

Among the two questions I was most frequently asked were:
1. "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"
2. "Why does the American government help the Israelis kill the Palestinians and steal their land?"

I tried to explain the toxic influence of Western pro Israel MSM (5) on naive and gullible Americans and the equally destructive power of influential and insatiably parasitic Zionist lobbies but the Muslims with whom I conversed couldn't understand why people as sophisticated as Americans could be so easily deceived, exploited and manipulated nor can I.

Even though this was over 50 years ago, I consider the promises that I made to my numerous Muslim hosts to do what I could to help bring about an equitable US Middle East policy just as valid today as they were over 50 years ago.

I hope that this explains why I support an even handed US Middle East policy which is the only way to bring peace to the region and spare the lives of more American G.I.s already in the region.

Thanks,



(1). "The McMahon Agreement"

The McMahon Agreement - History Learning Site

The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East...

www.historylearningsite.co.uk

EXCERPT "The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East history and seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917."CONTINUED


(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(3). “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED


(4). “German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation”
German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation

EXCERPT “Israel profited from cooperation by having a reliable and quick source for spare parts and complete weapon systems – even in times of war, when other nations like the United States, Great Britain and France were more restrictive in supplying arms to Israel. Another advantage was the willingness of the German government to pay for these exports to Israel."CONTINUED


(5). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with," CONTINUED

Most of your rant is complaining how Zionists got an army that took over Israel. Don’t care, they did it and the Arabs were too weak to prevent it, thus lost any “right” to claim the land.

No, I am admitting that what Hamas does is cruel and that of terrorist acts. You are the one defending them.

Don’t care about your supposed “hitchhiking” adventure in the Middle East from God knows how long ago. Muslims are the enemy of the West. Don’t care what some Jesuit priest claimed, did he not hear of the Crusades and the Moores invasion of much of Europe over many centuries?

Well, at least you have outted yourself as a Muslim boot licker. Explains a lot, explains your irrational hatred of nationalist Jews.

I’m no fan of Jews, which is why I support them having their own separate country they can all move to. The West is better off without Marxist Jews.

 

[MayorQuimby]

You’re talking about a scenario where a superior orders a subordinate to rape….Thats nuts…And I thought better of your intellectual ability than that ffs.

sigh

Ok, first off, that would NEVER happen, second, outside the sheer evil of that, it would be an illegal order, so NO. I wouldn’t follow it, and I would report it up the chain of command, and the person giving that order would be arrested.

And, let me just say. This is the stupidest, and most insulting thing I’ve seen for those who’ve served on our military. You have to have the worst of the worst disdain for those of us that have worn the uniform of this nation to even think that would be a thing. Shame on you.

The order to rape is an example to illustrate a point, namely that a soldier could be given an immoral order from his army superior. He is not saying that in the army they literally tell soldiers to rape.

No offense, it sounds to me like you are a very stupid individual.

Thats not a lawful order. A soldier would disobey that order with zero issues.

It's an example meant to illustrate a point. It's not a literal question I want you to answer.

You are VERY confused. You cant seem to grasp the difference between lawful and unlawful orders. As for "morally repugnant" orders, do you have an example of one? Im guessing that you dont.

I don't, but I also don't need to have an example. I don't understand why you would require an example, in order to understand what seems to me to be a very basic concept: Sometimes, in the armed forces, a soldier can be given a technically lawful, but otherwise immoral order. In such a case, what should he do?

Please try and imagine this, I know it's hard for someone like you, but maybe one day you will grow to be a place where you don't absolutely require concrete examples in order to grasp a concept.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

You’re talking about a scenario where a superior orders a subordinate to rape….Thats nuts…And I thought better of your intellectual ability than that ffs.

sigh

Ok, first off, that would NEVER happen, second, outside the sheer evil of that, it would be an illegal order, so NO. I wouldn’t follow it, and I would report it up the chain of command, and the person giving that order would be arrested.

And, let me just say. This is the stupidest, and most insulting thing I’ve seen for those who’ve served on our military. You have to have the worst of the worst disdain for those of us that have worn the uniform of this nation to even think that would be a thing. Shame on you.

Btw you know the American officer is not criticizing the US military. He is criticizing the IDF for their actions by the Gaza food distribution center. He is also backed up by one of his friends an Israeli officer who has witnessed crimes committed by IDF soldiers.

A US Army Green Beret who was on the ground by the Gaza food distribution center also witnessed first hand the crimes of IDF soldiers.

 

[Edgetho]

OK then, I apologize for the "shill" characterization and much prefer civil, on-topic and substantive discussion over the snarky and puerile exchanging of insults so frequently seen here.

Long before the Ottomans and the British, the Arabs controlled Palestine. Before them, the ancient Hebrews and before them, the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Jebusites etc.

During British occupation, the Arabs were promised and earned Palestine under the McMahon Agreement(1) by fighting along with the British against the Ottomans.

While the Arabs were sacrificing their lives for the return of Palestine, the machinations of influential Zionist lobbies in London managed to have the McMahon Agreement abrogated in favor of the Balfour Declaration.

Under Balfour, Palestine's tiny Jewish population was given over half of Palestine by the foreign British occupiers.

Not satisfied with most of Palestine, foreign, European Zionists trained and armed by National Socialist Germany (2) invaded and occupied Palestine and began exterminating and expelling Palestine's native residents of generations.

These same Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs also benefited from an enormous amount of sophisticated German weaponry even after WW 2. (3), (4) when the Haganah became IDF.

I think that it is safe to conclude that without professional German military training and superior German weaponry, Haganah / IDF would have been driven into the sea.

In addition to unlimited German weaponry, Israel's 1967 victory was a result of years of training, planning and the element of surprise.

Please note:
“I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent to the Sinai, on May 14, would not have been sufficient to start an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Yitzhak Rabin)

Israel's attack on Egypt in June '67 was not 'preemptive'

The claim that Israel's attack on Egypt in June 1967 was "preemptive" is a popular one, but historically false.

www.foreignpolicyjournal.com

Re:


Essentially, you are admitting that what the current Israeli government is doing is a cruel and criminal injustice and, as a general rule, one cruel and criminal injustice does not justify another.

Re:


Because I was treated wonderfully by the Muslims when I spent 10 -11 months walking and hitch hiking throughout the Islamic Middle East, I do not consider the Muslims to be our enemies.

After all:

“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
– John Sheehan, Society of Jesus. (Jesuit priest)


The numerous Muslims who gave me rides, treated me to meals, shelter and tours of ancient archeologic ruins expected nothing in return as many of them had never seen a Westerner.
I spent countless hours among curious groups of Muslims who wanted to know all about America, American movies, American cars and life in America.

They expressed admiration and respect for the American people but, naturally, resent the US Governments "Israel First" Middle East policy.

Among the two questions I was most frequently asked were:
1. "Why do Americans suddenly hate us?"
2. "Why does the American government help the Israelis kill the Palestinians and steal their land?"

I tried to explain the toxic influence of Western pro Israel MSM (5) on naive and gullible Americans and the equally destructive power of influential and insatiably parasitic Zionist lobbies but the Muslims with whom I conversed couldn't understand why people as sophisticated as Americans could be so easily deceived, exploited and manipulated nor can I.

Even though this was over 50 years ago, I consider the promises that I made to my numerous Muslim hosts to do what I could to help bring about an equitable US Middle East policy just as valid today as they were over 50 years ago.

I hope that this explains why I support an even handed US Middle East policy which is the only way to bring peace to the region and spare the lives of more American G.I.s already in the region.

Thanks,



(1). "The McMahon Agreement"

The McMahon Agreement - History Learning Site

The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East...

www.historylearningsite.co.uk

EXCERPT "The McMahon-Hussein Agreement of October 1915 was accepted by Palestinians as a promise by the British that after World War One, land previously held by the Turks would be returned to the Arab nationals who lived in that land. The McMahon-Hussein Agreement was to greatly complicate Middle East history and seemed to directly clash with the Balfour Declaration of 1917."CONTINUED


(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(3). “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED


(4). “German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation”
German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation

EXCERPT “Israel profited from cooperation by having a reliable and quick source for spare parts and complete weapon systems – even in times of war, when other nations like the United States, Great Britain and France were more restrictive in supplying arms to Israel. Another advantage was the willingness of the German government to pay for these exports to Israel."CONTINUED


(5). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with," CONTINUED

This --

Long before the Ottomans and the British, the Arabs controlled Palestine. Before them, the ancient Hebrews and before them, the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Jebusites etc.

Makes the rest of your Russian-Novel post irrelevant.

You left out the Byzantine Empire (Europeans) who controlled the area for a while. You also left out Rome (European) who controlled the region for 400 - 500 years. And before them, Greece (European) who smacked the Persians (Iranians, Indo-European People) upside the head and took it over for 300-400 years.

Persia, who is decidedly NOT Arabic, controlled the area before that for over a Century.

So, in the last 2,500 years, Arabic People had controlled the area for less than a third of the time. The rest of the time it was controlled by European, Indo European and Turkic (a stand-alone group of people) blood.

So wherever you got the idea that Goat Fuckers are the original owners of that land -- You're wrong. Dead wrong. Couldn't be more wrong.

The current residents of Palestine and that entire area are interlopers. Migrants. Invaders. They took it by force. Mohammed the Child Rapist (Aisha was only 9 when they 'consummated' their marriage) took that land by force.

What you take by Force of Arms, can be lost by force of arms. IOW, stop crying like a little ***** and deal with it.

Israel isn't done with the goat fuckers. As soon as Israel decides the hostages are either dead or they don't care anymore, the IDF is going to wipe them from the face of the Earth.

Good riddance. I hope they get them all.

 

[j-mac]

No it’s very simple…. whether or not people are in the military, they are prone to committing crimes.

It’s not just a superior officer providing a bad order. But any member of the military committing a bad deed and then another member deciding to do something about it or not.

Lighten up I fully support the military and reject radical leftism

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I can tell..

 

[Godboy]

Sometimes, in the armed forces, a soldier can be given a technically lawful, but otherwise immoral order. In such a case, what should he do?

Give me an example. Im doubtful of your claim and im unable to think of any situation like that.

 

[Hafar1014]

It is unamerican to support Genocide

The officer is supporting Hamas which is committing genocide

 

[Grau]

This --

Long before the Ottomans and the British, the Arabs controlled Palestine. Before them, the ancient Hebrews and before them, the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Jebusites etc.

Makes the rest of your Russian-Novel post irrelevant.

You left out the Byzantine Empire (Europeans) who controlled the area for a while. You also left out Rome (European) who controlled the region for 400 - 500 years. And before them, Greece (European) who smacked the Persians (Iranians, Indo-European People) upside the head and took it over for 300-400 years.

Persia, who is decidedly NOT Arabic, controlled the area before that for over a Century.

So, in the last 2,500 years, Arabic People had controlled the area for less than a third of the time. The rest of the time it was controlled by European, Indo European and Turkic (a stand-alone group of people) blood.

So wherever you got the idea that Goat Fuckers are the original owners of that land -- You're wrong. Dead wrong. Couldn't be more wrong.

The current residents of Palestine and that entire area are interlopers. Migrants. Invaders. They took it by force. Mohammed the Child Rapist (Aisha was only 9 when they 'consummated' their marriage) took that land by force.

What you take by Force of Arms, can be lost by force of arms. IOW, stop crying like a little ***** and deal with it.

Israel isn't done with the goat fuckers. As soon as Israel decides the hostages are either dead or they don't care anymore, the IDF is going to wipe them from the face of the Earth.

Good riddance. I hope they get them all.

Re:

I hope they get them all.

So much for the "lessons of the Holocaust"

Next:

So, in the last 2,500 years, Arabic People had controlled the area for less than a third of the time.

Using your same logic, Jews, who have controlled Palestine for the shortest period of time, are the least deserving of control over Palestine.

Finally:

IOW, stop crying like a little ***** and deal with it.

Perhaps that's what Germany and the innumerable other victims of the Holocaust reparations racket should have told that fraudulent Holocaust Industry. (1), (2)

After all, it is the Israelis who would be the ones starving if it were not for $ Trillions in US welfare over the decades.



(1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million | The Jerusalem Post

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.” CONTINUED

 

[Edgetho]

Re:


So much for the "lessons of the Holocaust"

Next:


Using your same logic, Jews, who have controlled Palestine for the shortest period of time, are the least deserving of control over Palestine.

Finally:


Perhaps that's what Germany and the innumerable other victims of the Holocaust reparations racket should have told that fraudulent Holocaust Industry. (1), (2)

After all, it is the Israelis who would be the ones starving if it were not for $ Trillions in US welfare over the decades.



(1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million | The Jerusalem Post

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.” CONTINUED

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/27/africa/eastern-congo-church-attacked-rebels-intl

The attack was carried out by members of the Allied Democratic Force (ADF) (aka; Goatf Fuckers) around 1 a.m. inside the premises of a Catholic church in eastern Congo’s Komanda. Several houses and shops were also burnt.

“More than 21 people were shot dead inside and outside and we have recorded at least three charred bodies and several houses burned. But the search is continuing,” Dieudonne Duranthabo, a civil society coordinator in Komanda, told The Associated Press.

But shooting Church Worshippers inside their own Church and burning their corpses wasn't good enough for the Goat Fuckers.

They had to Hack them to death in a bllod bath to send a Message.

Attack on east Congo church by Islamic State-backed rebels kills at least 34, civil leader says

The attack is believed to have been carried out by members of the Allied Democratic Force (ADF) armed with machetes.

www.cbsnews.com

I got their message. Unalive every last one of them.....

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

Is Islam really a Religion of Peace? What makes Islam so different?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

 

[Grau]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/27/africa/eastern-congo-church-attacked-rebels-intl

The attack was carried out by members of the Allied Democratic Force (ADF) (aka; Goatf Fuckers) around 1 a.m. inside the premises of a Catholic church in eastern Congo’s Komanda. Several houses and shops were also burnt.

“More than 21 people were shot dead inside and outside and we have recorded at least three charred bodies and several houses burned. But the search is continuing,” Dieudonne Duranthabo, a civil society coordinator in Komanda, told The Associated Press.

But shooting Church Worshippers inside their own Church and burning their corpses wasn't good enough for the Goat Fuckers.

They had to Hack them to death in a bllod bath to send a Message.

Attack on east Congo church by Islamic State-backed rebels kills at least 34, civil leader says

The attack is believed to have been carried out by members of the Allied Democratic Force (ADF) armed with machetes.

www.cbsnews.com

I got their message. Unalive every last one of them.....

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

Is Islam really a Religion of Peace? What makes Islam so different?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

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Wrong continent; this thread concerns the Middle East / Levant.

The primary difference between IDF and ADF is that child killing IDFers would starve without $ Trillions in American "aid" / Welfare.

 

[PeterPilot]

That was a really dumb move by McCormack. As an actively serving member of the military, you don’t air dirty laundry in public.

Unless you know right from wrong and have a conscience. Not many do. Daniel Ellsberg was a brave man who knew right from wrong.