Universal Basic Income: Biden's Best Bet?

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How would it, when almost all jobs would be eliminated and no one would be generating any tax revenue?
What if all the unemployed could get unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed. It could be taxable income.
Think about what you're saying. You're saying that the government should TAX the people already working so it can give some to the people who WON'T work so it can turn around and take some from them. Do you not hear how foolish that is?
It sounds like using capitalism for all of its capital worth to me. Capital should be doing the "heavy lifting" in a first world economy.
Think though. Any capital you want to use has to come from working people through taxes. More government spending means more money taken from working people. Even you want to raise MW just to increase tax revenue.
A disingenuous argument. The same could be said for corporate welfare; stop being such hypocrites toward the Poor, right wingers.
What does corporate welfare have to do with anything and why do you think I support it? Stop bringing in unrelated things in a vain attempt to distract from the main point. The fact remains, ALL government spending has to come from taxpayers.
It has to do with the fact that it exists, has even paid out multimillion dollar bonuses and not even the Right Wing opposes that more than they do non-corporate welfare for the Poor.

This is what we are supposed to be doing with the tax monies we pay for Government:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
 

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First, MW jobs are not supposed to provide a "living wage", they are supposed to be low value jobs that give a kid a start in the job market or an unskilled worker without a job history a chance.
I agree to disagree. Capitalists should not be resorting to cheap labor in our first world economy. Solving simple poverty means those now Having to work for the minimum wage would have the opportunity instead to go to school to learn the skills necessary for our first world economy not merely the private profit motive of Capitalists.
 
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Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:
LGBT residents are not eligible for the Dividend.
Government dependency is always used to control people.
You mean like actual slavery under Capitalism or black codes or Requiring a work ethic in an at-will employment State?
No. I mean slavery under socialism, where everyone is essentially property of the state.
Only unfettered and freer market capitalism enabled a war to keep persons as slaves and private property. What you allege of socialism is invalid under our Constitutional form of Government due to the franchise.
 
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“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”
― James Madison
With all due respect to Madison, I don't think he had a clue about how a sovereign currency provider doesn't need taxpayers or bond markets to fund government:
The MMT Debate With Dean Baker & Randall Wray
 

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“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”
― James Madison
With all due respect to Madison, I don't think he had a clue about how a sovereign currency provider doesn't need taxpayers or bond markets to fund government:
The MMT Debate With Dean Baker & Randall Wray
There used to be block grants to the States.

The Congress is supposed to fix Standards for the Union.
 

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How would it, when almost all jobs would be eliminated and no one would be generating any tax revenue?
What if all the unemployed could get unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed. It could be taxable income.
Think about what you're saying. You're saying that the government should TAX the people already working so it can give some to the people who WON'T work so it can turn around and take some from them. Do you not hear how foolish that is?
It sounds like using capitalism for all of its capital worth to me. Capital should be doing the "heavy lifting" in a first world economy.
Think though. Any capital you want to use has to come from working people through taxes. More government spending means more money taken from working people. Even you want to raise MW just to increase tax revenue.
A disingenuous argument. The same could be said for corporate welfare; stop being such hypocrites toward the Poor, right wingers.
I have read through your numerous threads. It is abundantly clear that you have absolutely no idea what made the US the leading economic power in the word. Implementing your ridiculous ideas would simply bring is DOWN to the rest of the world. I know that is the goal of you globalist anti-Americans, but those of us who can think for ourselves won’t fall for this elementary nonsense.
Two world wars and no wartime destruction is what helped the US become the creditor nation and first world economy it became, not right wing fiscal or monetary policies.

Right wingers have nothing but the fallacy of appeals to ignorance while alleging they are Right, simply because they are on the right wing.
The last world war ended 75 years ago. If we had the policies of Europe, we would not be the economic power we are today. Left up to the Democrats and we will sink to their level. You are very confused.
 
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How would it, when almost all jobs would be eliminated and no one would be generating any tax revenue?
What if all the unemployed could get unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed. It could be taxable income.
Think about what you're saying. You're saying that the government should TAX the people already working so it can give some to the people who WON'T work so it can turn around and take some from them. Do you not hear how foolish that is?
It sounds like using capitalism for all of its capital worth to me. Capital should be doing the "heavy lifting" in a first world economy.
Think though. Any capital you want to use has to come from working people through taxes. More government spending means more money taken from working people. Even you want to raise MW just to increase tax revenue.
A disingenuous argument. The same could be said for corporate welfare; stop being such hypocrites toward the Poor, right wingers.
I have read through your numerous threads. It is abundantly clear that you have absolutely no idea what made the US the leading economic power in the word. Implementing your ridiculous ideas would simply bring is DOWN to the rest of the world. I know that is the goal of you globalist anti-Americans, but those of us who can think for ourselves won’t fall for this elementary nonsense.
Two world wars and no wartime destruction is what helped the US become the creditor nation and first world economy it became, not right wing fiscal or monetary policies.

Right wingers have nothing but the fallacy of appeals to ignorance while alleging they are Right, simply because they are on the right wing.
The last world war ended 75 years ago. If we had the policies of Europe, we would not be the economic power we are today. Left up to the Democrats and we will sink to their level. You are very confused.
I am not the one resorting to fallacy and appealing to ignorance. Are you on the Right Wing?
FDR's brand of socialism is what turned our formerly third world economy in the first world economy we have now.

WWII achieved full employment and helped the US dominate manufacturing for a while. Most of the other nations that would have competed were damaged due to the war.
 

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Communism is Satanic Oppression of Freedom of Choice.
Would you say "Freedom of Choice" is more closely associated with winning the Popular Vote?

Of course, we all know the numbers are bogus. We know that illegals vote, dead people vote, ballot harvesting takes place ,etc. All of these go to the Democrats of course. I might add, the vast majority of this difference, even if you make the wild assumption that these votes were all legal, come from ONE state...5.2 million more votes for Biden than Trump in CA. LOL...one left lunatic state with rampant illegal voting makes up the vast majority of the difference.
 

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How would it, when almost all jobs would be eliminated and no one would be generating any tax revenue?
What if all the unemployed could get unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed. It could be taxable income.
Think about what you're saying. You're saying that the government should TAX the people already working so it can give some to the people who WON'T work so it can turn around and take some from them. Do you not hear how foolish that is?
It sounds like using capitalism for all of its capital worth to me. Capital should be doing the "heavy lifting" in a first world economy.
Think though. Any capital you want to use has to come from working people through taxes. More government spending means more money taken from working people. Even you want to raise MW just to increase tax revenue.
A disingenuous argument. The same could be said for corporate welfare; stop being such hypocrites toward the Poor, right wingers.
I have read through your numerous threads. It is abundantly clear that you have absolutely no idea what made the US the leading economic power in the word. Implementing your ridiculous ideas would simply bring is DOWN to the rest of the world. I know that is the goal of you globalist anti-Americans, but those of us who can think for ourselves won’t fall for this elementary nonsense.
Two world wars and no wartime destruction is what helped the US become the creditor nation and first world economy it became, not right wing fiscal or monetary policies.

Right wingers have nothing but the fallacy of appeals to ignorance while alleging they are Right, simply because they are on the right wing.
The last world war ended 75 years ago. If we had the policies of Europe, we would not be the economic power we are today. Left up to the Democrats and we will sink to their level. You are very confused.
I am not the one resorting to fallacy and appealing to ignorance. Are you on the Right Wing?
FDR's brand of socialism is what turned our formerly third world economy in the first world economy we have now.

WWII achieved full employment and helped the US dominate manufacturing for a while. Most of the other nations that would have competed were damaged due to the war.
Yeah for just a while...3-4 generations...75 freakin' years and still leading the world.

Look, I'm sorry if you are unable to succeed in the US. Go to the EU where no skills nor ambition is required to live in a shoebox. I will take my chances here in the US where I can truly succeed and live a relative life of luxury. As coaches always told me growing up playing sports, there are only two options...make progress or make excuses. You and your kind seem to ascribe to the latter.
 

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Communism is Satanic Oppression of Freedom of Choice.
Would you say "Freedom of Choice" is more closely associated with winning the Popular Vote?

Of course, we all know the numbers are bogus. We know that illegals vote, dead people vote, ballot harvesting takes place ,etc. All of these go to the Democrats of course. I might add, the vast majority of this difference, even if you make the wild assumption that these votes were all legal, come from ONE state...5.2 million more votes for Biden than Trump in CA. LOL...one left lunatic state with rampant illegal voting makes up the vast majority of the difference.
Dude, poll workers from Both parties have to be at polling places and for tabulation. The left could just as easily indulge that same (right wing) fantasy and claim right wingers were cheating whenever they thought they could get away with it.
 

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Why not just nationalize all business with revenue under $1 billion and make all people workers for the state?

You can provide housing, food, and medical care.
Why not move away from monopoly capitalism and militarism since the MAGA Virus and its Useless-Eater-in-Chief has proven, once again, how the forces of self-interest regard society solely as a profit opportunity?

Will COVID-19 Make Us More Socialist?

"COVID-19 could also promote grass-roots socialism, or what Mair calls 'mutual aid,' in which people 'organize support and care within their communities' to help people in need.

"Mair notes that local organizations helped overcome the 2014 Ebola outbreak in West Africa. 'We can see this as a failure of state responses,' Mair says. 'Or we can see it as a pragmatic, compassionate societal response to an unfolding crisis.'"
Only government can create and maintain monopolies.

The Wuhan virus is biological warfare. Whether created in a lab or not, the virus has been used to destroy liberty, a weapon to crush America.

We know Xi's man will do several things. He will lift the sanctions on Iran so they can resume development of nuclear weapons to use against Israel and the United States. He probably will send them funding for their efforts as Obama did. Iranian agent John Kerry is part of Xi Bai-Degn's cabinet, so terrorism sponsorship will resume.

All sanctions and tariffs against China will be lifted - it's why they rigged the election for Quid Pro. American jobs and wealth will again flow to China while America crumbles, just as the ruling elite want.

Xi Bai-Degn may attempt to consolidate as dictator, with pushing from the Marxist coalition that controls the filthy traitor democrat party.
 

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Too much winning?
When Mao - the philosophical foundation of the democrat party - seized power in China, he had anyone related to Chang Kai Shek slaughtered in the streets.

I see you democrats seek the same. After you savage your enemy and his families, will you seek death camps for anyone who voted for him?

We know you will.
 

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Dude, poll workers from Both parties have to be at polling places and for tabulation. The left could just as easily indulge that same (right wing) fantasy and claim right wingers were cheating whenever they thought they could get away with it.
Addict, your filthy traitorous party spent four years claiming the president colluded with bigfoot and the Russians and stole the 2016 election. You are in NO position to impugn others.
 

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Why not just nationalize all business with revenue under $1 billion and make all people workers for the state?

You can provide housing, food, and medical care.
Why not move away from monopoly capitalism and militarism since the MAGA Virus and its Useless-Eater-in-Chief has proven, once again, how the forces of self-interest regard society solely as a profit opportunity?

Will COVID-19 Make Us More Socialist?

"COVID-19 could also promote grass-roots socialism, or what Mair calls 'mutual aid,' in which people 'organize support and care within their communities' to help people in need.

"Mair notes that local organizations helped overcome the 2014 Ebola outbreak in West Africa. 'We can see this as a failure of state responses,' Mair says. 'Or we can see it as a pragmatic, compassionate societal response to an unfolding crisis.'"
Only government can create and maintain monopolies.

The Wuhan virus is biological warfare. Whether created in a lab or not, the virus has been used to destroy liberty, a weapon to crush America.

We know Xi's man will do several things. He will lift the sanctions on Iran so they can resume development of nuclear weapons to use against Israel and the United States. He probably will send them funding for their efforts as Obama did. Iranian agent John Kerry is part of Xi Bai-Degn's cabinet, so terrorism sponsorship will resume.

All sanctions and tariffs against China will be lifted - it's why they rigged the election for Quid Pro. American jobs and wealth will again flow to China while America crumbles, just as the ruling elite want.

Xi Bai-Degn may attempt to consolidate as dictator, with pushing from the Marxist coalition that controls the filthy traitor democrat party.
Proof right wingers don't really believe in Capitalism? Capitalism, what is That sayeth the Right Wing at every opportunity.

It should be a "market based metric" and input into our economy. Upgrading our economy to account for pandemics could help stimulate our economy.
 

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Dude, poll workers from Both parties have to be at polling places and for tabulation. The left could just as easily indulge that same (right wing) fantasy and claim right wingers were cheating whenever they thought they could get away with it.
Addict, your filthy traitorous party spent four years claiming the president colluded with bigfoot and the Russians and stole the 2016 election. You are in NO position to impugn others.
God created weed with is own hands along with every Thing else, according to Religion. It must be Good and not Bad.

The democrats actually impeached Your guy, it was no (right wing) Hoax. It was the Right Wing in the Senate who voted to not convict. They have no problem with the corruption of this administration.
 

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Dude, poll workers from Both parties have to be at polling places and for tabulation. The left could just as easily indulge that same (right wing) fantasy and claim right wingers were cheating whenever they thought they could get away with it.
Addict, your filthy traitorous party spent four years claiming the president colluded with bigfoot and the Russians and stole the 2016 election. You are in NO position to impugn others.
God created weed with is own hands along with every Thing else, according to Religion. It must be Good and not Bad.

The democrats actually impeached Your guy, it was no (right wing) Hoax. It was the Right Wing in the Senate who voted to not convict. They have no problem with the corruption of this administration.
Wow, another anti-religious nut. Who would have thought....

The Democrats are completely corrupt. The FBI is corrupt. The Senate didn't vote to convict because there was no basis for impeachment. It was a farce made up by Adam Schiff and you lemmings bought it.
 

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Dude, poll workers from Both parties have to be at polling places and for tabulation. The left could just as easily indulge that same (right wing) fantasy and claim right wingers were cheating whenever they thought they could get away with it.
Addict, your filthy traitorous party spent four years claiming the president colluded with bigfoot and the Russians and stole the 2016 election. You are in NO position to impugn others.
God created weed with is own hands along with every Thing else, according to Religion. It must be Good and not Bad.

The democrats actually impeached Your guy, it was no (right wing) Hoax. It was the Right Wing in the Senate who voted to not convict. They have no problem with the corruption of this administration.
Wow, another anti-religious nut. Who would have thought....

The Democrats are completely corrupt. The FBI is corrupt. The Senate didn't vote to convict because there was no basis for impeachment. It was a farce made up by Adam Schiff and you lemmings bought it.
lol. The right wing is worse.
 
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