Universal Basic Income: Biden's Best Bet?

[danielpalos]

mented with existing legal and physical infrastructure that needs a simple "software upgrade" to actually solve simple poverty in a fine capital and market friendly manner.

Incorrect.

Incorrect about what and where? Or, do you only say that to have nothing but Hoax and fallacy?

 

[Orangecat]

Provide for the general welfare. Notice how they did not enumerate the common welfare nor the limited (to right wing arbitrary and capricious bigotry) welfare.

Quote the Constitution where it says the fed-gov "must provide for any given contingency with a general Solution from the top down"?
You can't, because it doesn't.

 

[danielpalos]

Public policy cannot promote the general badfare only the general welfare.
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Less word salad and french poetry, more substance, please.

Sorry, if you don't understand the concepts I really have no basis to consider your retorts anything more than the Hoax and fallacy they are not any form of serious debate. How typical of right wingers who want to be taken as seriously at the "gospel Truth" without sufficient morals or ethics to go around.

 

[Orangecat]

Incorrect about what and where?

This, here: UC is implemented with existing legal and physical infrastructure that needs a simple "software upgrade" to actually solve simple poverty in a fine capital and market friendly manner.

 

[Orangecat]

Sorry, if you don't understand the concepts I really have no basis to consider your retorts anything more than the Hoax and fallacy they are not any form of serious debate. How typical of right wingers who want to be taken as seriously at the "gospel Truth" without sufficient morals or ethics to go around.

Quote the Constitution where it says the fed-gov "must provide for any given contingency with a general Solution from the top down"?
You can't, because it doesn't.

 

[danielpalos]

Provide for the general welfare. Notice how they did not enumerate the common welfare nor the limited (to right wing arbitrary and capricious bigotry) welfare.

Quote the Constitution where it says the fed-gov "must provide for any given contingency with a general Solution from the top down"?
You can't, because it doesn't.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Providing for the general welfare is a general power limited only by our Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

Incorrect about what and where?

This, here: UC is implemented with existing legal and physical infrastructure that needs a simple "software upgrade" to actually solve simple poverty in a fine capital and market friendly manner.

Equal protection of the law is the equivalent to a "software upgrade" to an existing mechanism and that form of public sector means of production.

 

[justinacolmena]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

LGBT residents are not eligible for the Dividend.

Legally ‘married’ lesbian couple claims state withheld PFD

A report today by Suzanne Downing at Must Read Alaska details the case of woman who claims she is legally “married” to another woman, and for that reason the state supposedly denied her a Permanent…

alaskawatchman.com

Whatever the nature of these women's relationship — whether people agree with it or not or if God hates fags — it "shouldn't" be cause to withhold the dividend, but denied is denied, and there is no appeal at that office.

I didn't get mine, either.

Transgender applicants must apply by birth sex only, under strict requirements to wear birth-gender-appropriate clothing only — otherwise it is evidence of mental illness and cause for permanent revocation of the dividend.

I am one of those people who "don't get it" from the Communists and the feminists of the district. And don't forget, Alaska was once part of Communist Russia or U.S.S.R.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

What if someone doesnt want to work, but still wants the basic income? Why should other people work then?

They want to give free college, but why go to college if you get a basic income, sounds like a waste of time to get educated for nothing.....

danny gave you thumbs down on that.....and yet he says you should be able to say i dont want to work and still get paid....the little kid has no idea what he says....

 

[Orangecat]

Our welfare clause is General not Common or Limited in any way.

Providing for the general welfare is a general power limited only by our Constitution.

You seem confused, kid.

 

[Orangecat]

Equal protection of the law is the equivalent to a "software upgrade" to an existing mechanism and that form of public sector means of production.

Incorrect.

 

[danielpalos]

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the Law, Constitutional or otherwise. Hoax is all they always seem to have.

 

[Orangecat]

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the Law, Constitutional or otherwise. Hoax is all they always seem to have.

You think anyone takes you seriously, with your naive dreams of government giving you money so you can invest it in the stock market?

Time to grow up, Danny boy.

 

[danielpalos]

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the Law, Constitutional or otherwise. Hoax is all they always seem to have.

You think anyone takes you seriously, with your naive dreams of government giving you money so you can invest it in the stock market?
Grow up, Danny boy.

Capitalism, what is That sayeth Right Wingers at Every capital opportunity.

 

[dblack]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

LGBT residents are not eligible for the Dividend.

Government dependency is always used to control people.

 

[Orangecat]

Capitalism, what is That sayeth Right Wingers at Every capital opportunity.

Try to stay on track, son.
What did you do with your $1200 check from Trump? Smoke it?

 

[justinacolmena]

Government dependency is always used to control people.

When others get it and I don't, I am also deprived of what I worked for and is rightfully mine.

You think I can get a job and "get" or "keep" wages for my own work if I can't have a dividend which by the letter of the law I am entitled to, notwithstanding the extreme hate and denialism of government workers who have unlimited access and privileges over all my money and property?

 

[danielpalos]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

LGBT residents are not eligible for the Dividend.

Government dependency is always used to control people.

You mean like actual slavery under Capitalism or black codes or Requiring a work ethic in an at-will employment State?

 

[dblack]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

LGBT residents are not eligible for the Dividend.

Government dependency is always used to control people.

You mean like actual slavery under Capitalism or black codes or Requiring a work ethic in an at-will employment State?

No. I mean slavery under socialism, where everyone is essentially property of the state.

 

[danielpalos]

Capitalism, what is That sayeth Right Wingers at Every capital opportunity.

Try to stay on track, son.
What did you do with your $1200 check from Trump? Smoke it?

A one time payment is not a consistent income for planning purposes. I did get into some more garden hoses though.

With all the advances in modern textile technologies I was surprised better products at lower prices still don't always happen due to advances in production technologies.