Zone1 Trump yanks millions from Catholic Charities amid Pope feud

[Zincwarrior]

NGO’s pimped by the Catholic Church. The NGO’s similarly pimped by the left to flood the country with illegals.

USCCB, Catholic Charities among 200 NGOs in House probe on migrant aid

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and Catholic Charities USA are among more than 200 non-governmental organizations named in a congressional probe for aiding immigrants its leaders call "inadmissible aliens" during former President Joe Biden's administration.

www.ncronline.org

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and Catholic Charities USA are among more than 200 non-governmental organizations named in a congressional probe for aiding immigrants its leaders call "inadmissible aliens" during former President Joe Biden's administration.

The Catholic Church, home to tens of millions of Americans, is 'pimping out' NGOs?

 

[Hollie]

The Catholic Church, home to tens of millions of Americans, is 'pimping out' NGOs?

When did the Catholic church become home to millions of Americans?

 

[Zincwarrior]

When did the Catholic church become home to millions of Americans?

You mean besides Hispanics, Irish, French, Germans and Italians? You know, all the white people who aren't English or Scottish?

10 facts about U.S. Catholics | Pew Research Center

Catholics are one of the largest religious groups in the United States, outnumbering any single Protestant denomination.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Hollie]

You mean besides Hispanics, Irish, French, Germans and Italians? You know, all the white people who aren't English or Scottish?

I mean when did the Hispanics, Irish, French, Germans and Italians make their homes in the Catholic Church?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Trump is playing right into their hands

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Some might say getting into a public feud with the Pope is not exactly a good idea. This headline gave me pause though, because even though I have pretty much abandoned trying to elucidate the many reasons that Trump and his presidency are problematic, what does Trump hope to gain or what point is he trying to make by retaliating against Catholic organizations, particularly charities, by taking away their funds/funding? Could it simply be that in Trump's world, he perceives the loss of money, whether it's taken outright or the funding source is cut off, as the worst thing that could possibly happen to a person, organization, etc.? If, in his world, this is what he considers the absolute worse, then in a way some of the things he does sort of make sense but many of them still seem like nothing more than a shakedown, but I digress.

Does anyone think he's doing this simply to get back at the Pope due to his criticism of Trump? Remember, Vance has for several days now, been doing damage control and it seems like trying to mediate the tension between the two, but I get the impression that the only party that is miffed is Trump.

MSN

Why are NON CATHOLIC AMERICANS SUPPORTING CATHOLIC CAUSES?

 

[Care4all]

More like he's doing what i voted for....The Biden era NGOs should be laid waste.

It was GW Bush who pushed and got passed govt faith based initiatives.

That was back when we had a Christian president.

I thought it was a mistake for faith based charities to be working with govt back then....and now we know why.

The govt was having to handle housing parent less children immigrants that crossed the border and the indigent and poor, but GWB wanted to reduce govt workers and programs for all the needy, and paid to give this to the private sector to handle for them.... Allowed religious entities get grants.

 

[dudmuck]

As a devout Catholic, I would say this. There are liberal so-called Catholics who have issued no condemnation of Biden's importing of 8 million illegals during his four years; saying nothing about separation of families, dropping kids off at the border, saying nothing about caravans organized and funded by Marxist groups to invade our borders, saying nothing about mules hired to pack cramped truckloads of illegals, saying nothing about using illegals to rig elections and distort Congressional districts. The Catechism of the Catholic Church recognizes countries' ability to protect and regulate their borders. I rarely hear Church officials talk about that part. I feel the pope and others hear only the Marxist media news reports and get only that perspective.

As devout Catholic Tom Homan says “They don’t know what they’re talking about because if they wore my shoes for 40 years and talked to a 9-year-old girl that got raped multiple times or stood in the back of a … tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens at my feet, including a 5-year-old boy that baked to death, if they understood the atrocities that happen on an open border, I think that their opinion would change,”

Border czar Homan fires back at Pope Leo, explains what Vatican leaders ‘don't know’ about immigration

Trump border czar Tom Homan says he is open to talks with Pope Leo XIV amid the administration's feud with the Vatican over immigration.

www.foxnews.com

Leviticus 19:33-34 commands, "You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself"

In Matthew 25:35-40, Jesus identifies with the stranger, stating, "I was a stranger and you welcomed me," making this act essential to following him

 

[Hollie]

Leviticus 19:33-34 commands, "You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself"

In Matthew 25:35-40, Jesus identifies with the stranger, stating, "I was a stranger and you welcomed me," making this act essential to following him

What does Leviticus say about the church running a child molestation ring by knowingly shuffling around pedo priests when the heat came down?

 

[Captain Caveman]

I don't think governments should be funding any religious charities.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

How many of Trump's J6 rioters did you take in? Did you contribute any cash to their defense fund?

What rioters? They were protestors. You confused them with your GEorge Floyd gun thug worshipers again?

 

[EdwinAMartin]

As a devout Catholic, I would say this. There are liberal so-called Catholics who have issued no condemnation of Biden's importing of 8 million illegals during his four years; saying nothing about separation of families, dropping kids off at the border, saying nothing about caravans organized and funded by Marxist groups to invade our borders, saying nothing about mules hired to pack cramped truckloads of illegals, saying nothing about using illegals to rig elections and distort Congressional districts. The Catechism of the Catholic Church recognizes countries' ability to protect and regulate their borders. I rarely hear Church officials talk about that part. I feel the pope and others hear only the Marxist media news reports and get only that perspective.

As devout Catholic Tom Homan says “They don’t know what they’re talking about because if they wore my shoes for 40 years and talked to a 9-year-old girl that got raped multiple times or stood in the back of a … tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens at my feet, including a 5-year-old boy that baked to death, if they understood the atrocities that happen on an open border, I think that their opinion would change,”

Border czar Homan fires back at Pope Leo, explains what Vatican leaders ‘don't know’ about immigration

Trump border czar Tom Homan says he is open to talks with Pope Leo XIV amid the administration's feud with the Vatican over immigration.

www.foxnews.com

Reform is probably needed re who appoints the College of Cardinals who in turn elect the Popes who appoint them. Doesn't seem to function well in modern times; too insulated and politically incestuous.

 

[Care4all]

I don't think governments should be funding any religious charities.

There were rules for it to follow as charity work that could qualify for the govt grants....keeping the charity work separated from religious work. And this was for all religious charities getting the government money for assisting the homeless, poor, hungry, strangers etc

 

[EdwinAMartin]

I don't think governments should be funding any religious charities.

Technically Catholic Charities is a non-profit 501.c corporation not run by the Church itself, a function of American corporate law. Whether it actually is or not I don't know.

Exemption requirements - 501(c)(3) organizations | Internal Revenue Service

Review a description of exemption requirements for organizations under Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3).

www.irs.gov

While it is illegal for the Federal and state govts. to make any law respecting religion, this allows donors to deduct donated funds from their income taxes, and not a law regulating the religious activities of the organization itself. Confuses some people, but it's really a simple concept, despite all the nutjobs making some big conspiracy theory around it. The IRS can't tax churches, nor can states. The IRS can't even audit a church without express permission for it's leader, and even then there has to be evidence of fraud or some other criminal activity.

Paid employees and pastors, on the other hand, do have to pay income and payroll taxes on their salaries and compensation same as everybody else, and in fact most pastors are paid as 'contractors', which means they pay higher taxes than a regular employee does, as they pay the entire amount of Social Security taxes on their pay rather than just half.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Governance - Catholic Charities USA

CCUSA is a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization.

www.catholiccharitiesusa.org

Catholic Charities USA (CCUSA) is a 501(c)3 nonprofit organization. Donations to CCUSA are tax-deductible to the fullest extent allowed by law. We strive to be faithful stewards of the investment and resources entrusted to us and seek to be transparent in the way we do business.

• Articles of Incorporation
• Catholic Charities USA Bylaws
• Conflict of Interest Policy

CCUSA is the national membership organization for independent Catholic Charities agencies throughout the United States and its territories. CCUSA does not provide direct services to the public.

Each Catholic Charities agency is a separate legal entity operated under the auspices of the bishop of the diocese in which the agency is located. Individual Catholic Charities agencies may, in their sole discretion, elect to become members of CCUSA. CCUSA has no control over the governance or operations of any member agency and CCUSA has no ownership interest in any member agency.

 

[Care4all]

Technically Catholic Charities is a non-profit 501.c corporation not run by the Church itself, a function of American corporate law. Whether it actually is or not I don't know.

Exemption requirements - 501(c)(3) organizations | Internal Revenue Service

Review a description of exemption requirements for organizations under Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3).

www.irs.gov

While it is illegal for the Federal and state govts. to make any law respecting religion, this allows donors to deduct donated funds from their income taxes, and not a law regulating the religious activities of the organization itself. Confuses some people, but it's really a simple concept, despite all the nutjobs making some big conspiracy theory around it. The IRS can't tax churches, nor can states. The IRS can't even audit a church without express permission for it's leader, and even then there has to be evidence of fraud or some other criminal activity.

Paid employees and pastors, on the other hand, do have to pay income and payroll taxes on their salaries and compensation same as everybody else, and in fact most pastors are paid as 'contractors', which means they pay higher taxes than a regular employee does, as they pay the entire amount of Social Security taxes on their pay rather than just half.

The faith based initiative of gwbush was with good intentions and the law passed. Prior to it.... Non profit religious charities were not eligible for the govt grants to help the needy....when they were the ones doing a lot of it....not just the Catholic charities but Jewish charities and other protestant charities etc....

I was against it, because I felt our govt would eventually corrupt our religious institutions by having power over them....

 

[EdwinAMartin]

The faith based initiative of gwbush was with good intentions and the law passed. Prior to it.... Non profit religious charities were not eligible for the govt grants to help the needy....when they were the ones doing a lot of it....not just the Catholic charities but Jewish charities and other protestant charities etc....

I was against it, because I felt our govt would eventually corrupt our religious institutions by having power over them....

Thomas Jefferson allotted Federal funds to religions groups; it's not illegal, contrary to some myths. If it is serving a national interest, there is no reason not to help fund such activities when they are serving a public good.

Separation of church and state restricts what the government can do, not the churches. In fact it was those evul annoying evangelical Baptists who first advocated the concept,, at least in English. It is a key platform of their founding as a denomination.

Thomas Helwys (c. 1575 – 1616) was an English barrister, theologian, and religious reformer. His theological beliefs is one of the forming basis of the Baptist tradition. In the early 17th century, Helwys was the principal formulator of a demand that the Church and the state be kept separate in matters of law, so that individuals might have freedom of religious conscience. This advocacy of religious liberty could be dangerous at that time. He died in prison as a consequence of the persecution of English Dissenters under King James I, and is considered a martyr.

Thomas Helwys - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

States, however, were not prevented from religious influence on their govts. Many kept their state favored sectarianism until well into the 1830's.

Jefferson’s wall, as a matter of federalism, was erected between the national and state governments on matters pertaining to religion and not, more generally, between the church and all civil government.

In other words, Jefferson placed the federal government on one side of his wall and state governments and churches on the other.

The wall’s primary function was to delineate the constitutional jurisdictions of the national and state governments, respectively, on religious concerns, such as setting aside days in the public calendar for prayer, fasting, and thanksgiving.

The Urban Legend that Thomas Jefferson Believed in a Wall Separating Church and State

A professor clears away some misunderstandings.

www.thegospelcoalition.org

Massachusetts didn't dis-establish its state church until 1834 or so, due to internal demographic change, not any Supreme Court ruling.

 

[Care4all]

Thomas Jefferson allotted Federal funds to religions groups; it's not illegal, contrary to some myths. If it is serving a national interest, there is no reason not to help fund such activities when they are serving a public good.

I'm not against them helping...they, the religious institutions do it best.

My concern was the churches relying on govt money to do such....which could open the door to their govt demands that could corrupt their religious beliefs.....and was worried that these religious charities could become reliant on the govt money, that with a corrupt govt official, like a Trump, could just cut them off when they are in a spat....which cuts the poor and needy off....It took 20 years for that cruel govt person to come along...so it had worked out better than I had thought, until now.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

I'm not against them helping...they, the religious institutions do it best.

My concern was the churches relying on govt money to do such....which could open the door to their govt demands that could corrupt their religious beliefs.....and was worried that these religious charities could become reliant on the govt money, that with a corrupt govt official, like a Trump, could just cut them off when they are in a spat....which cuts the poor and needy off....It took 20 years for that cruel govt person to come along...so it had worked out better than I had thought, until now.

So as long as they're run by the 'Reverend' Wright or some commie front you're okay with it, it's just Trump that is bad n evul. okay.