Trump wants $230,000,000.00 from the US taxpayer.

[Slade3200]

They did

Its described as law-fare, which the nazi’s then and now the dems are masters at

If that’s the case then would you also say Trump is mimicking Nazi Germany with his lawfare against Comey and company?

 

[Mac-7]

If that’s the case then would you also say Trump is mimicking Nazi Germany with his lawfare against Comey and company?

You would say so but I would not

Comey and company are guilty as sin

But who knows?

You are entitled to your opinion

In which case will libs never learn?

Any game they can invent Trump can learn to play

 

[Slade3200]

Comey and company are guilty as sin

Trump was guilty as sin too but you ignore that and whine about lawfare. Cant have it both ways

 

[ThisIsMe]

Okay. Perhaps you should inform their supervisor then? Not sure where your going with this.

I shouldn't have to. He broke the law but you all excuse it.

It is possible and has happened.

Then you have a case of mishandling classified material, which is what im saying.

Great. That makes it very easy to prove he broke the law. Provoking willfulness can be difficult but Trump came out and said it!

sure he did, he told everyone that right up front. His argument is that he was allowed to do it because he has broad declassificatuon powers.

Doesn’t matter. It’s not at issue.

Sure it is, biden didnt have any way to declassify things that he himself didnt classify as vp, and certainly not as senator
This means that for every document he had at his house and at Penn center was an example of mishandling and wilfull retention.

We already know he willingly mishandled and disclosed classified materials because Hur put that in his report.

 

[Marener]

I shouldn't have to. He broke the law but you all excuse it.

Most of the rules about classified documents are administrative rules. There’s very few laws and if the vice president deals with classified documents in an open manner in their residence, they’re not actually breaking any laws.

Then you have a case of mishandling classified material, which is what im saying.

Except you don’t because it requires willfulness. You can’t prosecute an accident.

sure he did, he told everyone that right up front. His argument is that he was allowed to do it because he has broad declassificatuon powers.

He only said it after he was caught red handed after the search warrant produced extra documents he had been hiding from the DoJ, which is very illegal.

Sure it is, biden didnt have any way to declassify things that he himself didnt classify as vp, and certainly not as senator

This means that for every document he had at his house and at Penn center was an example of mishandling and wilfull retention.

Just because he had the documents doesn’t mean it was willful.

We already know he willingly mishandled and disclosed classified materials because Hur put that in his report.

You’re not being completely accurate. Hur said there was evidence he did so but the evidence couldn’t prove it. You need to reflect the content of the Hur report accurately.

 

[postman]

again, I totally get why he didn't come out and just say it. He was sparing Xiden's feelings. I don't have a problem with that.

That fact he didn't come out of say it, is why you can't claim he came out and said it.

You are claiming you know Hur's intent, with zero information.

It's like saying Bruce Springstein wrote Born in the USA, as a patriotic American anthem.

 

[SweetTea]

You’re not being completely accurate. Hur said there was evidence he did so but the evidence couldn’t prove it. You need to reflect the content of the Hur report accurately.

Hur stated that there was evidence of “willful retention”. They didn’t recommend prosecution because it is possible that Biden actually believed that he had the authority to have such documents and that his memory was “significantly limited.” In short, he got a pass for potential ignorance of the law and cognitive decline, both of which beg the question why would such a person not only remain President, but run for a second term. The even bigger question is what kind of fool would vote for him?

 

[postman]

Comey and company are guilty as sin

But who knows?

You are entitled to your opinion

Actually saying Comey and company are guilty as sin. Without any proof, is nothing but opinion. Without prefacing it as such.

 

[postman]

Trump was guilty as sin too but you ignore that and whine about lawfare. Cant have it both ways

Importantly. Trump was adjudicated in a court of law, and found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers for every count he was accused of. Including the civil rape charge by E. Jean Carroll.

 

[Marener]

Hur stated that there was evidence of “willful retention”. They didn’t recommend prosecution because it is possible that Biden actually believed that he had the authority to have such documents and that his memory was “significantly limited.” In short, he got a pass for potential ignorance of the law and cognitive decline, both of which beg the question why would such a person not only remain President, but run for a second term. The even bigger question is what kind of fool would vote for him?

There's different aspects of the case, and you can't make one blanket statement.

When it comes to his belief that he could possess "documents", that's referring specifically to the diaries he had. Hur noted that Reagan kept diaries with classified information. This came up in litigation when the DoJ said that the diaries were classified but also personal property. Therefore, Biden had reason to belief he could keep diaries with classified information in them.

When it comes to his memory, there was one comment Biden made about "finding the classified stuff", however it's unclear what he's referring to and the defense would be that he did find classified information and forgot about it later.

Compare that to the case against Donald Trump where he very clearly committed numerous acts that violated the law, including obstruction of justice, witness tampering and attempting to destroy evidence. What kind of person would vote for such a criminal?

Because when you vote for a criminal who doesn't give a shit about the law, you run into situations like this where Trump thinks he can give himself $230 million taxpayer dollars as if that isn't insanely corrupt.

 

[postman]

sure he did, he told everyone that right up front. His argument is that he was allowed to do it because he has broad declassificatuon powers.

People forget, not only were the documents "classified" but they were US Government property. The president can declassify anything. But he can't take government property with him. Trump doesn't get to keep AF-1, or the presidential limo, or gifts from foreign leaders.

 

[SweetTea]

There's different aspects of the case, and you can't make one blanket statement.

When it comes to his belief that he could possess "documents", that's referring specifically to the diaries he had. Hur noted that Reagan kept diaries with classified information. This came up in litigation when the DoJ said that the diaries were classified but also personal property. Therefore, Biden had reason to belief he could keep diaries with classified information in them.

When it comes to his memory, there was one comment Biden made about "finding the classified stuff", however it's unclear what he's referring to and the defense would be that he did find classified information and forgot about it later.

Compare that to the case against Donald Trump where he very clearly committed numerous acts that violated the law, including obstruction of justice, witness tampering and attempting to destroy evidence. What kind of person would vote for such a criminal?

Because when you vote for a criminal who doesn't give a shit about the law, you run into situations like this where Trump thinks he can give himself $230 million taxpayer dollars as if that isn't insanely corrupt.

 

[struth]

That fact he didn't come out of say it, is why you can't claim he came out and said it.

You are claiming you know Hur's intent, with zero information.

It's like saying Bruce Springstein wrote Born in the USA, as a patriotic American anthem.

Of course i can say he came out and said it, because he did

Of course i know his intent, we don’t have to look beyond the plan meaning of the words he used

 

[Marener]

That's weak.

Everything I said was factual and without spin.

The point of the thread is that Trump believes he's capable of giving himself $230 million because he was so "injured" by being prosecuted appropriately for stealing classified documents. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.

What do you have to say about that?

 

[postman]

Hur stated that there was evidence of “willful retention”. They didn’t recommend prosecution because it is possible that Biden actually believed that he had the authority to have such documents and that his memory was “significantly limited.” In short, he got a pass for potential ignorance of the law and cognitive decline, both of which beg the question why would such a person not only remain President, but run for a second term. The even bigger question is what kind of fool would vote for him?

Actually it begs the question of how can Hur in one paragraph state that Biden had willful intent, and in the next paragraph say that Biden doesn't because of cognitive decline, Biden could not form the willful intent.

Hur is actually claiming Biden knew it, and didn't know it, at the same time.

Which is why the part about Biden's cognitive decline is a political statements, and not a legal one. Because the legal statement of willful intent, is contradicted if the cognitive decline is taken as a legal statement.

 

[SweetTea]

That's weak.

Everything I said was factual and without spin.

The point of the thread is that Trump believes he's capable of giving himself $230 million because he was so "injured" by being prosecuted appropriately for stealing classified documents. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.

What do you have to say about that?

The lawsuit isn’t just about the bogus classified documents case. It is also about the alleged Russian interference in the 2016 campaign and his involvement, which was nothing more than a hit job.

 

[SweetTea]

Actually it begs the question of how can Hur in one paragraph state that Biden had willful intent, and in the next paragraph say that Biden doesn't because of cognitive decline, Biden could not form the willful intent.

Hur is actually claiming Biden knew it, and didn't know it, at the same time.

Which is why the part about Biden's cognitive decline is a political statements, and not a legal one. Because the legal statement of willful intent, is contradicted if the cognitive decline is taken as a legal statement.

So which was it? Did he have willful intent or was he not capable of forming willful intent. In one case he should have been prosecuted, in the other, relieved of his duties as the President of the US. Neither occured.

 

[postman]

Of course i can say he came out and said it, because he did

Yet in the entire report, he never used the word "senile", or any direct equivalent.

Such as if Biden sued Hur for claiming he was "senile", Hur would have a complete defense that he never used any such words, or word equivalents.

That he meant "senile" is purely your fabrication. Putting words into Hur's mouth, that he had no intention of saying.

 

[struth]

That's weak.

Everything I said was factual and without spin.

The point of the thread is that Trump believes he's capable of giving himself $230 million because he was so "injured" by being prosecuted appropriately for stealing classified documents. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.

What do you have to say about that?

Trump filed the claim in 2023 and 2024

Xiden was in office

Yes citizens are capable of filing lawsuits against the govt

The point if this thread is to deflect from the fact the prior admin violated trumps rights

 

[Marener]

The lawsuit isn’t just about the bogus classified documents case. It is also about the alleged Russian interference in the 2016 campaign and his involvement, which was nothing more than a hit job.

Even if it isn't "just" about the classified documents case (which is far from bogus), you still can't answer as to why it's okay to give himself hundreds of millions of dollars.

Robert Mueller was appointed to investigate his campaign under Trump's own authority. In a way, he's demanding money for being damaged by his own government.

Can't you admit that it's pretty corrupt for Trump to give himself hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars?