Trump Russian Asset?

[gipper]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

We shall not live to see a time that Trump is not relevant and neither will our grandchildren. Obama and Biden are footnotes in US history while Trump is a chapter.

Trump's place in history has already been written by his incompetence. If he has a place in American politics going forward it is as a further embarrassment to American democracy.

That is for history itself to decide, not some snowflake on a political forum.

Who do you think makes the judgements of history? It's the people who care enough that they don't want to see it repeated. Pretty sure Trump's legacy is not going to change that much from the black mark on democracy it is now. Getting people to attack the capital is never going to be seen as a good thing.

Where do you get this shit?

The well known CIA organ. The New York Times.

 

[gipper]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

So you consider the Russians putting bounties on American troops in Afghanistan wasn’t ramping up tensions? At the very least you don’t consider it disrespectful? Don’t you think Trump should’ve said something?

What about this big hacking that the Russians pulled off on American government computers? Trump didn’t say anything about that one either and this is an enormous breach of American security.

Putin violated the arms limitation treaty and Trump tore it up.

There’s not wanting to escalate tensions, and then there’s just boldfaced subservient to unchecked aggression. Americans were embarrassed and ashamed by Trump’s subservient behaviour with Putin. They were ashamed of his failure to defend American troops or American security from this hostile foreign power.

Stop believing lies promoted by the CIA. There never were any bounties. It’s propaganda designed to deceive D voters into becoming warmongers, just like R voters. It’s working too. Sadly.

 

[occupied]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

Letting Putin act with impunity to destroy our sphere of influence is nothing like peace.

So, you think it makes sense to fight wwiii over Estonia?

You think it makes sense to have a policy of automatic appeasement every time Putin acts in a hostile manner? That seems to be what you are suggesting.

Apparently you don’t know what appeasement means. Lol.

Appeasement means moving the lines so that a hostile power may be at least momentarily satisfied. It's supposed to work in our favor.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Bugged rooms, blackmail, 34 years a Russian asset... now we are entering tin foil hat territory

Co-signed loans at a bank known to launder criminal Russian money...

had his aides destroy notes from meetings with Putin...

Tried to give back Putin's spyhouses on American soil for nothing in return...

Effusive praise for Putin... Sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies and allies...

Lied to Americans about trying to build in Russia while campaigning for President...

 

[Meathead]

Bugged rooms, blackmail, 34 years a Russian asset... now we are entering tin foil hat territory

Co-signed loans at a bank known to launder criminal Russian money...

had his aides destroy notes from meetings with Putin...

Tried to give back Putin's spyhouses on American soil for nothing in return...

Effusive praise for Putin... Sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies and allies...

Lied to Americans about trying to build in Russia while campaigning for President...

You'll buy into just about anything. Stupid people do that.

 

[airplanemechanic]

A russian asset because in 1987 he visited Moscow? Who the **** cares if the room was bugged back then? What would they hear him talk about? How many skyscrapers he owns?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Bugged rooms, blackmail, 34 years a Russian asset... now we are entering tin foil hat territory

Co-signed loans at a bank known to launder criminal Russian money...

had his aides destroy notes from meetings with Putin...

Tried to give back Putin's spyhouses on American soil for nothing in return...

Effusive praise for Putin... Sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies and allies...

Lied to Americans about trying to build in Russia while campaigning for President...

You'll buy into just about anything. Stupid people do that.

Translation: you have no refutation, Dear Leader looks bad, cultist attacks

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

No, this is the kind of shit that belongs on InfoWars

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

A russian asset because in 1987 he visited Moscow?

That is not the argument that was made. You are too scared to read the article.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, this is the kind of shit that belongs on InfoWars

Why? Which part do you find hard to believe? It's not much of a "conspiracy". Just one stupid, vain man that was famous, being manipulated by people way smarter than him.

 

[surada]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

I seriously doubt that Trump is a Russian asset. He's much too stupid and he's a blabbermouth. Putin could never trust him.. But, Putin could manipulate him with flattery.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Putin could never trust him..

But you can trust him to BE him. Putin wasn't feeding him secrets.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I think we will also eventually learn that Trump has been part of laundering Russian money for a long time.

 

[surada]

Putin could never trust him..

But you can trust him to BE him. Putin wasn't feeding him secrets.

I agree with you on that.. Every world leader knew exactly what Trump was before he was sworn in.

 

[Meathead]

Bugged rooms, blackmail, 34 years a Russian asset... now we are entering tin foil hat territory

Co-signed loans at a bank known to launder criminal Russian money...

had his aides destroy notes from meetings with Putin...

Tried to give back Putin's spyhouses on American soil for nothing in return...

Effusive praise for Putin... Sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies and allies...

Lied to Americans about trying to build in Russia while campaigning for President...

You'll buy into just about anything. Stupid people do that.

Translation: you have no refutation, Dear Leader looks bad, cultist attacks

You would have to post something worth refuting first. It's not that complicated.

 

[ESay]

But now, over ESTONIA?

What you dont get is that there wont be a war over Estonia. The Cold War was won not by military means.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Putin could never trust him..

But you can trust him to BE him. Putin wasn't feeding him secrets.

I agree with you on that.. Every world leader knew exactly what Trump was before he was sworn in.

For such a supposedly shrewd and successful businessman, Trump sure has ZERO game. He seems to have absolutely no self awareness of his own demeanor and body language. He has the OPPOSITE of a "poker face". His behaviors and body language are a big tell.

His sheepish, hostage-video demeanor in Helsinki... His childish explosions whenever his own staff mentioned Russia...His "whoopsie" in giving up the booty on national TV about firing Comey... It just is what it is.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You would have to post something worth refuting first.

Apparently i did, since i triggered a cultist. I doubt you would have gotten sand in your giney, if i had posted that Trump's hair looks nice.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Our intelligence agencies came to the conclusion that Russia hacked or attempted to hack party committees and State voting systems. Trump took Putin's side over them and proposed a joint US-Russian cybersecurity venture.

Very odd behavior. But, it makes perfect sense, if....

 

[EvilCat Breath]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Okay. Then...using that logic, obviously Biden is a Chinese asset.

Right?

The whole Russia story is a deflection away from Biden being a well known PAID Chinese agent.