Trump Russian Asset?

[Crepitus]

The news that trump has been in cahoots with the Russians comes as no surprise. The signs have been there for quite some time. I suspect that this is at least partially behind the right-wing attempts to blame China, and Biden, for just about everything. I'm not siding with China. I'm just saying that the right-wingers always use deflection to take the heat off themselves.

One of tRump's favorite tactics is to accuse other people of the crimes he has already committed.

 

[gipper]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

 

[occupied]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

Letting Putin act with impunity to destroy our sphere of influence is nothing like peace.

 

[Correll]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

Letting Putin act with impunity to destroy our sphere of influence is nothing like peace.

So, you think it makes sense to fight wwiii over Estonia?

 

[Correll]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

I think he knew that he has limited political capital and choose to spend it elsewhere.


Whether he could have done better if he had pushed harder, I would like to think so, but...

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

What actions? Be specific.

You know all the accusations you just spent 5 years fighting. The off the record conversations with Putin. The undeclared Russian agents in his circle. The flat denials of clear Russian interference in the election. The hair on fire efforts to discredit the Steele dossier. The way he was far more hostile to our allies than Putin. The dirty Trump Moscow deal. The Trump tower meeting with Russian agents. The way he treated Ukraine. The way he shamelessly kissed Putin's ass no matter what. The Russians clearly had some sort of leverage over Trump. Why don't you want to know what it was?

Ask Mueller.

 

[occupied]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

Letting Putin act with impunity to destroy our sphere of influence is nothing like peace.

So, you think it makes sense to fight wwiii over Estonia?

You think it makes sense to have a policy of automatic appeasement every time Putin acts in a hostile manner? That seems to be what you are suggesting.

 

[Correll]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

Letting Putin act with impunity to destroy our sphere of influence is nothing like peace.

So, you think it makes sense to fight wwiii over Estonia?

You think it makes sense to have a policy of automatic appeasement every time Putin acts in a hostile manner? That seems to be what you are suggesting.

I am suggesting that we have a foreign policy that makes sense.


Being treaty bound to fight wwiii over Estonia, does not make sense.


Do you agree?

 

[Dragonlady]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

So you consider the Russians putting bounties on American troops in Afghanistan wasn’t ramping up tensions? At the very least you don’t consider it disrespectful? Don’t you think Trump should’ve said something?

What about this big hacking that the Russians pulled off on American government computers? Trump didn’t say anything about that one either and this is an enormous breach of American security.

Putin violated the arms limitation treaty and Trump tore it up.

There’s not wanting to escalate tensions, and then there’s just boldfaced subservient to unchecked aggression. Americans were embarrassed and ashamed by Trump’s subservient behaviour with Putin. They were ashamed of his failure to defend American troops or American security from this hostile foreign power.

 

[Dragonlady]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

Letting Putin act with impunity to destroy our sphere of influence is nothing like peace.

So, you think it makes sense to fight wwiii over Estonia?

You think it makes sense to have a policy of automatic appeasement every time Putin acts in a hostile manner? That seems to be what you are suggesting.

I am suggesting that we have a foreign policy that makes sense.


Being treaty bound to fight wwiii over Estonia, does not make sense.


Do you agree?

Russia is in no position to fight World War III. Putin is broke and desperate and he’s military can’t even fight a war against the Ukraine and win.

Any defence of Estonia would be like defending Libya. Two weeks and gone with Putin dead. Russia has so much to lose and even attempting it.

Do you have a logical argument against NATO or are you just doing Putin’s bidding?

 

[occupied]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

Letting Putin act with impunity to destroy our sphere of influence is nothing like peace.

So, you think it makes sense to fight wwiii over Estonia?

You think it makes sense to have a policy of automatic appeasement every time Putin acts in a hostile manner? That seems to be what you are suggesting.

I am suggesting that we have a foreign policy that makes sense.


Being treaty bound to fight wwiii over Estonia, does not make sense.


Do you agree?

Seem to remember another time when it was considered too costly to oppose an expansionist power as they took territory that the western powers didn't really care that much about. WW2 lasted way longer than it should have because Germany was by that time surrounded by occupied territory. You simply cannot let them take that first step or you will eventually be fighting them in your front yard. Provocation must have a measured response otherwise there will be more and bigger provocation. The balance must be maintained even if it means protecting places you are too stupid to find on a map.

 

[Meathead]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

We shall not live to see a time that Trump is not relevant and neither will our grandchildren. Obama and Biden are footnotes in US history while Trump is a chapter.

 

[candycorn]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

We shall not live to see a time that Trump is not relevant and neither will are grandchildren. Obama and Biden are footnotes in US history while Trump is a chapter.

Theres a Term for people like Trump....



But not a second term. LOL

I'm sure he'll have his face on the Ruble pretty soon.

 

[occupied]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

We shall not live to see a time that Trump is not relevant and neither will our grandchildren. Obama and Biden are footnotes in US history while Trump is a chapter.

Trump's place in history has already been written by his incompetence. If he has a place in American politics going forward it is as a further embarrassment to American democracy.

 

[Meathead]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

We shall not live to see a time that Trump is not relevant and neither will are grandchildren. Obama and Biden are footnotes in US history while Trump is a chapter.

Theres a Term for people like Trump....



But not a second term. LOL

I'm sure he'll have his face on the Ruble pretty soon.

Did you go for that nice graze we talked about?

 

[Meathead]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

We shall not live to see a time that Trump is not relevant and neither will our grandchildren. Obama and Biden are footnotes in US history while Trump is a chapter.

Trump's place in history has already been written by his incompetence. If he has a place in American politics going forward it is as a further embarrassment to American democracy.

That is for history itself to decide, not some snowflake on a political forum.

 

[occupied]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

We shall not live to see a time that Trump is not relevant and neither will our grandchildren. Obama and Biden are footnotes in US history while Trump is a chapter.

Trump's place in history has already been written by his incompetence. If he has a place in American politics going forward it is as a further embarrassment to American democracy.

That is for history itself to decide, not some snowflake on a political forum.

Who do you think makes the judgements of history? It's the people who care enough that they don't want to see it repeated. Pretty sure Trump's legacy is not going to change that much from the black mark on democracy it is now. Getting people to attack the capital is never going to be seen as a good thing.

 

[Meathead]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

We shall not live to see a time that Trump is not relevant and neither will our grandchildren. Obama and Biden are footnotes in US history while Trump is a chapter.

Trump's place in history has already been written by his incompetence. If he has a place in American politics going forward it is as a further embarrassment to American democracy.

That is for history itself to decide, not some snowflake on a political forum.

Who do you think makes the judgements of history? It's the people who care enough that they don't want to see it repeated. Pretty sure Trump's legacy is not going to change that much from the black mark on democracy it is now. Getting people to attack the capital is never going to be seen as a good thing.

Where do you get this shit?

 

[DrLove]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)

Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Yep, I saw this story the other day.
But of course we've known for quite some time that Donald was targeted as a "useful idiot" by Russia way back in the 80s.
They weren't wrong!

 

[gipper]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

That makes Don a coward. I suppose they told him he could end up like JFK if he pursued peace with Russia, as JFK tried to do.

Watch now as slow Joe ramps up tensions with Russia and the left who used to promote peace, will support him fully.

Letting Putin act with impunity to destroy our sphere of influence is nothing like peace.

So, you think it makes sense to fight wwiii over Estonia?

You think it makes sense to have a policy of automatic appeasement every time Putin acts in a hostile manner? That seems to be what you are suggesting.

Apparently you don’t know what appeasement means. Lol.