Trump Russian Asset?

[Lysistrata]

The news that trump has been in cahoots with the Russians comes as no surprise. The signs have been there for quite some time. I suspect that this is at least partially behind the right-wing attempts to blame China, and Biden, for just about everything. I'm not siding with China. I'm just saying that the right-wingers always use deflection to take the heat off themselves.

 

[Correll]

The news that trump has been in cahoots with the Russians comes as no surprise. The signs have been there for quite some time. I suspect that this is at least partially behind the right-wing attempts to blame China, and Biden, for just about everything. I'm not siding with China. I'm just saying that the right-wingers always use deflection to take the heat off themselves.

The Cold War is over and we have expanded nato to the point that we are treaty bound to fight WWIII over Estonia.


We need to stop ******* with Russia.

 

[evenflow1969]

The news that trump has been in cahoots with the Russians comes as no surprise. The signs have been there for quite some time. I suspect that this is at least partially behind the right-wing attempts to blame China, and Biden, for just about everything. I'm not siding with China. I'm just saying that the right-wingers always use deflection to take the heat off themselves.

The Cold War is over and we have expanded nato to the point that we are treaty bound to fight WWIII over Estonia.


We need to stop ******* with Russia.

No we don’t

 

[Crepitus]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Interesting. The timing seems far to coincidental for sure.

 

[occupied]

Trump went to Russia in 1987. Came back and started getting political.
Not a smoking gun...but interesting.

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Of course he is. We l knew it from the beginning. When he first won there were Russians on here gloating . B.kidd and Marvin Martian are still on here gloating.

I think there is some evidence for it.


Asset? Maybe. But its sort of like saying the 3rd string quarterback on the Buccaneers is a Super Bowl Champion. He is...but is he really?

Like any other tool, he had his uses. Was it an active relationship? I don't think so. But was there a relationship? I think that has been established. Everyone he hired for his campaign had contact with Russians it seems.

Was that a coincidence?

I don't think so. Trump spent all his political capital trying to make it all go away when an innocent man would have devoted all his energy to a far more popular program of punching back at the Russian espionage operation directed squarely at him.

 

[Crepitus]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

 

[Correll]

The news that trump has been in cahoots with the Russians comes as no surprise. The signs have been there for quite some time. I suspect that this is at least partially behind the right-wing attempts to blame China, and Biden, for just about everything. I'm not siding with China. I'm just saying that the right-wingers always use deflection to take the heat off themselves.

The Cold War is over and we have expanded nato to the point that we are treaty bound to fight WWIII over Estonia.


We need to stop ******* with Russia.

No we don’t

You ready to fight and die over Estonia?

 

[gipper]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

 

[occupied]

The news that trump has been in cahoots with the Russians comes as no surprise. The signs have been there for quite some time. I suspect that this is at least partially behind the right-wing attempts to blame China, and Biden, for just about everything. I'm not siding with China. I'm just saying that the right-wingers always use deflection to take the heat off themselves.

The Cold War is over and we have expanded nato to the point that we are treaty bound to fight WWIII over Estonia.


We need to stop ******* with Russia.

Russia is ******* with us. Americans **** back.

 

[gipper]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

What actions? Be specific.

You know all the accusations you just spent 5 years fighting. The off the record conversations with Putin. The undeclared Russian agents in his circle. The flat denials of clear Russian interference in the election. The hair on fire efforts to discredit the Steele dossier. The way he was far more hostile to our allies than Putin. The dirty Trump Moscow deal. The Trump tower meeting with Russian agents. The way he treated Ukraine. The way he shamelessly kissed Putin's ass no matter what. The Russians clearly had some sort of leverage over Trump. Why don't you want to know what it was?

You crazy. Just like a rabid Trumper, but don’t know it.

 

[Correll]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

What makes you think thanks a conspiracy theory? It's not like not came from gateway pundit. NY magazine is a pretty solid source.

Because it is insane nonsense.

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

Are you prepared to fight wwiii over Estonia?

Are you prepared to just let Russia walk all over us and threaten our allies? Apparently so.

We should not be treaty bound to do shit, we are not actually prepared to do.


During the Cold War, I supported the idea that we would fight a war over West Germany.


But now, over ESTONIA?


That is what we are doing and it is insane.


That is not a reasonable policy.


Yet it is our policy.


NATO expansion was a bad idea, and now we have to leave it asap.

Agreed. Trump initially spoke of dismantling NATO, but he eventually expanded it. Further provoking Russia. He continued O’s numerous and onerous sanctions, then expanded economic sanctions on Russia. He allowed multiple war games to occur along Russia’s borders and US war ships plied the wars of the Black and Baltic Seas, further provoking Russia.

None of this is known to Americans who only consume establishment controlled media. It’s dangerous when our media lies and deceives the American people.

IMO, he realized that it was not politically possible to really reduce tensions with Russia and was not prepared to "die" on that hill.

 

[candycorn]

Trump went to Russia in 1987. Came back and started getting political.
Not a smoking gun...but interesting.

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Of course he is. We l knew it from the beginning. When he first won there were Russians on here gloating . B.kidd and Marvin Martian are still on here gloating.

I think there is some evidence for it.


Asset? Maybe. But its sort of like saying the 3rd string quarterback on the Buccaneers is a Super Bowl Champion. He is...but is he really?

Like any other tool, he had his uses. Was it an active relationship? I don't think so. But was there a relationship? I think that has been established. Everyone he hired for his campaign had contact with Russians it seems.

Was that a coincidence?

I don't think so. Trump spent all his political capital trying to make it all go away when an innocent man would have devoted all his energy to a far more popular program of punching back at the Russian espionage operation directed squarely at him.

It's almost hilarious at this point that some still think he wasn't in Russia's pocket when it was well known that they interfered in the election.

 

[Correll]

The news that trump has been in cahoots with the Russians comes as no surprise. The signs have been there for quite some time. I suspect that this is at least partially behind the right-wing attempts to blame China, and Biden, for just about everything. I'm not siding with China. I'm just saying that the right-wingers always use deflection to take the heat off themselves.

The Cold War is over and we have expanded nato to the point that we are treaty bound to fight WWIII over Estonia.


We need to stop ******* with Russia.

Russia is ******* with us. Americans **** back.

We fucked with them first, imo. After the cold war ended.


And we should stop. We have no real conflict of interests with them anymore.

 

[Correll]

Trump went to Russia in 1987. Came back and started getting political.
Not a smoking gun...but interesting.

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Of course he is. We l knew it from the beginning. When he first won there were Russians on here gloating . B.kidd and Marvin Martian are still on here gloating.

I think there is some evidence for it.


Asset? Maybe. But its sort of like saying the 3rd string quarterback on the Buccaneers is a Super Bowl Champion. He is...but is he really?

Like any other tool, he had his uses. Was it an active relationship? I don't think so. But was there a relationship? I think that has been established. Everyone he hired for his campaign had contact with Russians it seems.

Was that a coincidence?

I don't think so. Trump spent all his political capital trying to make it all go away when an innocent man would have devoted all his energy to a far more popular program of punching back at the Russian espionage operation directed squarely at him.

It's almost hilarious at this point that some still think he wasn't in Russia's pocket when it was well known that they interfered in the election.

A couple of dozen trolls on the internet?

You might as well piss in the ocean.

 

[gipper]

The news that trump has been in cahoots with the Russians comes as no surprise. The signs have been there for quite some time. I suspect that this is at least partially behind the right-wing attempts to blame China, and Biden, for just about everything. I'm not siding with China. I'm just saying that the right-wingers always use deflection to take the heat off themselves.

The Cold War is over and we have expanded nato to the point that we are treaty bound to fight WWIII over Estonia.


We need to stop ******* with Russia.

Russia is ******* with us. Americans **** back.

Yeah. They have military bases all along our borders. They have war games constantly off NYC and LA. Their onerous economic sanctions are really ******* up our economy. Their massive military budget dwarfs ours. Their constant warring on small nations and imperial actions are awful.

Can’t fix stupid.

 

[Crepitus]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

I expect the story will come out in little dribbles over the next couple of years.

 

[occupied]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

What actions? Be specific.

You know all the accusations you just spent 5 years fighting. The off the record conversations with Putin. The undeclared Russian agents in his circle. The flat denials of clear Russian interference in the election. The hair on fire efforts to discredit the Steele dossier. The way he was far more hostile to our allies than Putin. The dirty Trump Moscow deal. The Trump tower meeting with Russian agents. The way he treated Ukraine. The way he shamelessly kissed Putin's ass no matter what. The Russians clearly had some sort of leverage over Trump. Why don't you want to know what it was?

You crazy. Just like a rabid Trumper, but don’t know it.

We are dealing with a hostile state that means us harm. Crazy would be just letting them screw with us without repercussions.

 

[Dragonlady]

NY Mag makes a good case to the affirmative:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ex-kgb-agent-trump-russian-asset-mueller-putin-kompromat-unger-book.html?utm_source=tw

From the source:

Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trump’s own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)



Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. “An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves,” as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. “Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?”

Wrong sub forum. Reported. Should be conspiracy theories. RIght next to Bigfoot.

The FBI was running a counter-intelligence investigation against Donald Trump along side the Mueller Investigation. An investigation that has simply disappeared without ever issuing the report to Congress that was promised.

This is hardly a conspiracy theory. Given the number of times that White House messaging has mirrored or echoed that of the Kremlin, under Donald Trump. Or the number of times that Russian interests have promoted Trump conspiracy theories through social media.

Trumps failure to even raise the issue of Russian bounties on American troops has done nothing but exacerbate the notion that Trump is working for Putin.

 

[Dragonlady]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

I expect the story will come out in little dribbles over the next couple of years.

Wash rinse repeat on his fiscal malfeasance as well. I suspect you’ll find out that he stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the treasury.

 

[occupied]

There are many questions concerning Trump's inexplicable actions concerning Russia with zero political will to answer them. The republicans don't want to know and the democrats don't want to be seen to have used our intelligence services against him. Perhaps when Trump is no longer relevant in any way we may finally find out just how bad it was.

I expect the story will come out in little dribbles over the next couple of years.

Yes. Right now there are certainly individuals reaching into that special file they kept at the back of the drawer and getting a literary agent.