Trump is putting coal workers out of work

[JoeB131]

Yeah, and right now there are people in Venezuela that wish Chavez was back in power.

I'm sure they do. Heck, Trump has utterly wrecked the economy, and you are still drinking the koolaid.

Let's keep in mind, our economy collapsed because of a Flu with an attitude.

The West has been making economic war on Venezuela for 20 years.

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah, and right now there are people in Venezuela that wish Chavez was back in power.

I'm sure they do. Heck, Trump has utterly wrecked the economy, and you are still drinking the koolaid.

Let's keep in mind, our economy collapsed because of a Flu with an attitude.

The West has been making economic war on Venezuela for 20 years.

"Trump has utterly wrecked the economy"
"economy collapsed because of a Flu with an attitude"

These are mutually exclusive statements. Only one of them is correct.

 

[JoeB131]

"Trump has utterly wrecked the economy"
"economy collapsed because of a Flu with an attitude"

These are mutually exclusive statements. Only one of them is correct.

Actually, they are totally correct. Trump crashed the economy because he didn't respond correctly to the flu.

Sorry this isn't clear to you. You are a bit dim, though.

 

[Andylusion]

"Trump has utterly wrecked the economy"
"economy collapsed because of a Flu with an attitude"

These are mutually exclusive statements. Only one of them is correct.

Actually, they are totally correct. Trump crashed the economy because he didn't respond correctly to the flu.

Sorry this isn't clear to you. You are a bit dim, though.

Prove it. You can't prove that statement. Does Trump have dictator powers to force states to close, to block off all movement of people, to force closings of EVERYTHING in the country?

Because that's a dictator.

Or is Trump not supposed to be a dictator, and most of the controls are up to the States? You know... like what the constitution says?

The only thing Trump directly has control over, is international travel, and we already know what happened there. China was put on the restriction list, and Democraps responded with the NO BAN act, which some left-winger groups are STILL pushing.

Prove that Trump could have magically made the virus go away? Prove it. Not theory... Prove it.

Heck, Japan and Sweden never closed down. Denmark just recently published evidence that masks have practically no value at all in stopping the spread of the virus.

You people are such idiotic jokes.

You don't have any science that supports your views at all. It's all Trump sucks, so it must be his fault somehow. You don't have any real evidence, it's just hate and bitterness that is the core of all left-wing belief.

 

[JoeB131]

Prove it. You can't prove that statement. Does Trump have dictator powers to force states to close, to block off all movement of people, to force closings of EVERYTHING in the country?

Well, he claims he does. If he claims he can REOPEN the country, despite what the states say, then he'd have no problem CLOSING the country.

Fact check: Trump claims it's his call on when to 'reopen' the country. He's wrong.

Only the states can give shutdown orders, and only the states can lift them, legal scholars say. Many governors agree.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Dana7360]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

They had a choice, Russian BS aside. So did the burbs in the Rust Belt, and they chose DJT. And now they are crying Covid-19 mismanagement from the WH and everything else from coal to no health benefits.

So you believe they would have done better under Hillary?

Hillary lost coal country because she stated she would put coal miners out of work. Under Trump we are simply working towards what she said she would do.

No she didn't say she would put coal miners out of work.

You just repeated a lie.

She told them that their jobs are going away and won't come back. Then she offered them reeducation so they wouldn't be totally screwed.

She told them the ugly truth. Coal is a dying industry. Much more cleaner and much more efficient sources of energy are being used and developed.

They chose to go with the liar who pandered to them with lies to get them to vote against their best interest. They chose the lazy way and they got totally screwed.

If people are too lazy to take responsibility for their own lives then I really can't have any sympathy for them.

They made the bad choice. Now they don't want to take responsibility for that bad choice.

They were warned. They ignored the truth and warnings. They made the lazy choice. They got what they voted for. I have no sympathy for them.

"Reeducation" for what?

Read her energy and coal proposal.

Reeducation in new energy industries, in computers, in medical field or any other field they want to work in.

She proposed 30 billion for them to be retrained.

They chose to not do the work to secure their own future. Which was a very bad choice. So now they are totally screwed. No job, no retraining and no hope for a future.

They made the very bad choice to take the lazy way. They chose trump the liar who now has abandoned the workers and they've been left high and dry on their own.

They were warned. They ignored the warnings. They got what they voted for. Now they're whining about it.

They should stop whining, go get new training and get their lives together.

I highly doubt they will do that. They have already shown they are too lazy to do the work for their own future.

The result will be more generational poverty in West Virginia.

They had a chance at a better life, they were too lazy to take it.

There are no alternative energy jobs (or at least not that many), computer or nursing jobs to be had. What good is it to offer people training in non existent jobs and how do they survive until these jobs happen to appear?

Empty rhetoric.

But yeah, go ahead and note how you have no sympathy for them. How Democrat of you.

There might not be in your area but my area has alternative energy jobs.

You might not need nurses or health care workers where you live but they are needed all over the nation.

You may not have many computer jobs where you live but there are tons of them all over the nation.

Those aren't the only jobs. People can go to school to learn anything they want. Not just what I listed.

Stop being so negative. You're just making excuses and enabling those workers to remain lazy and in poverty. Many other people in professions that died got retrained. The coal miners can do the same thing. When was the last time anyone needed a key punch operator?

Then there are the manufacturing jobs that went overseas. All those workers were offered retraining so they could have a career that would support them.

Stop advocating for people to be so lazy. Coal is a dying industry. They were told the truth. They were told they would get help to be retrained. All it took from them is the work to do it. They were too lazy to want to do the work so now they're screwed.

Your attitude only allows them to remain lazy and create more generational poverty.

Good going.

There are no jobs. Are you really going to argue that people don't have jobs or even more specifically decent paying jobs simply because they are lazy?

I'm not talking about right now during this pandemic.

In normal times there are jobs.

Again, have you ever been in coal mining country? No there is not.

Right now the medical field needs workers for countless jobs. The covid virus is going to raise the number of breathing specialists needed alone.

Then there's the rural areas. They barely have a clinic muchness a hospital. I own a second house in one of those rural areas. The nearest hospital is 40 miles away. And that one is a small one with limited services. Most have to travel all the way to King county to get proper medical help.

The need for workers is limited now but that's not going to last forever.

No, those who want good paying jobs aren't lazy. Those who aren't willing to take the time and work to be able to do those good paying jobs are the lazy ones. Like the coal miners who turned down free education. So many are paying on college loans yet those miners turned free college or trade school training down.

I don't think that is smart. It's not the actions of people who are willing to put in the work to be trained in a profession that can support them. It's the actions of lazy people who don't want to keep up with society and the changes our society goes through.

Your attitude only enables the mess. Look at where they are now. They have no job. No ability to get a new job. Seems to me that all the denial and excuses aren't changing their situation for the better. The only thing that will do that is retraining for a profession that will support them. A bonus, it won't be a profession that kills them like coal will.

It's classic capitalism doing it's job. It's a very good example of why supply side economics doesn't work. It's another example that no amount of tax cuts, no amount of deregulation, no amount of privatization will prevent it. A company can supply all the coal they want. America is the Saudi Arabia of coal.

It's worthless if people don't buy it.

Hospitals in WV are going out of business.

Struggles likely to continue for West Virginia hospitals - WV MetroNews

I'm sorry that West Virginia doesn't have a diversified economy. It's not safe.

I know. I am from Seattle. I remember the sign on Interstate 5 that said the last person out of the city please turn out the lights.

Boeing was our primary source of good jobs. We didn't diversify. So we nearly died.

My dad was one of the few at Boeing who didn't lose their jobs. Many of my friends' dads did. They had to move away.

In the years since we have diversified. Not just the city but the whole state.

Why not start changing now? Why deny the inevitable? The jobs are going away. They aren't going to come back no matter how much you or anyone wants them to come back. it will be cheaper and easier now than when it gets totally out of control.

No amount of excuses that they can't get retrained will work with me either. I watched as my city and state changed. No it can't happen over night but then, we aren't into instant gratification either. We knew and still know it takes work to make the change.

You can change the state. You just have to have the will and do the work.

Saying you can't will guarantee you won't. It will also doom your state to an even worse future.

We did. So can you.

Diversify? Like putting a factory on top of a mountain? You are doing the same thing as earlier. Vast generalization. Seattle has an airport. You aren't going to be able to sustain an airport in the mountains of WV to fly CEO's into.

What does an airport have to do with this?

There are a few airports here, what's the point?

Nordstrom, REI, Costco, Microsoft, Starbucks, Amazon and so many others started right here in Seattle.

None of them had anything to do with an airport.

Your state can diversify. You just have to stop making excuses to not do it.

A defeatist attitude never accomplished anything.

Go ahead, make excuses for being lazy. I don't care.

Ignore good advice.

Watch as the jobs dry up. Watch as your state becomes more of a mess.

You seem to be fine with doing nothing but whining about it. So carry on.

I really don't care.

 

[hadit]

She offered them welfare. Train them for what exactly?

Nope. Training programs. Everything from computer programming to nursing.

What I’ve heard from many others is that would be ineffective because coal miners are too stupid.

And there's the liberal elitist hatred we expected to see. Whoever says that is stupid themselves. You're not saying it by repeating it, are you?

 

[hadit]

She offered them welfare. Train them for what exactly?

Nope. Training programs. Everything from computer programming to nursing.

What I’ve heard from many others is that would be ineffective because coal miners are too stupid.

How many hospitals and computer jobs do you suppose there are in the mountains of WV?

IT jobs can be anywhere there's broadband.

 

[colfax_m]

She offered them welfare. Train them for what exactly?

Nope. Training programs. Everything from computer programming to nursing.

What I’ve heard from many others is that would be ineffective because coal miners are too stupid.

And there's the liberal elitist hatred we expected to see. Whoever says that is stupid themselves. You're not saying it by repeating it, are you?

Of course not. It was conservatives who said it and I disagree entirely.

 

[hadit]

It declined at a slower rate than if "regulators" got their way.

Then let the market figure it out. When cars took over horses, horses weren't banned or regulated out of existence. The cars simply out competed them. Any horse regulations came well after the car became dominant.

Actually, horses were regulated.

Is it legal to ride a horse in the city?

Answer (1 of 12): Could you narrow this down to at least continent or country if not actual city?

www.quora.com

With few exceptions, most cities will not allow you to ride horses on most streets because of personal safety issues, animal safety issues, vehicle safety issues and the fact that horses require cleanup if they trot through an area. The larger the city and the more urban the area, the less likely that you will be able to ride a horse or use a horse-drawn cart for transportation or commerce.

I would suggest looking up the city's municipal code online and checking for yourself.

Chicago recently banned horse carriages downtown.

Chicago to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages Starting in 2021

The Chicago City Council voted on Friday to ban horse-drawn carriage rides starting in January 2021. Under the ordinance passed Friday, operators will not be able to renew their licenses, and the city will stop issuing new ones, the Chicago Sun Times reported. The city’s 10 existing carriage...

www.nbcchicago.com

The market didn't put these fools out of business, government did. We are all better off for it.

Let's see if we have this right. Presented to you is the statement that WHEN CARS TOOK OVER FROM HORSES (very important that), horses weren't banned or regulated out of existence. They stopped being used because cars were superior. Your response, attempting to claim that the horses WERE regulated out of existence (and thus give credit to government), was to present an article about regulating horse riding in urban areas IN 2021. Now why do you believe cars will only take over from horses next year, given that we've been driving cars for decades?

 

[hadit]

She offered them welfare. Train them for what exactly?

Nope. Training programs. Everything from computer programming to nursing.

What I’ve heard from many others is that would be ineffective because coal miners are too stupid.

And there's the liberal elitist hatred we expected to see. Whoever says that is stupid themselves. You're not saying it by repeating it, are you?

Of course not. It was conservatives who said it and I disagree entirely.

I'd like to know who, because it's stupid to say that.

 

[hadit]

It's Marxist to use regulations as a form of overtaking an industry or banning it.

No, guy, it's a choice.

If we were to put coal on a national referendum, it would lose.

The problem here is that the people want cleaner air, but the big corporations own the politicians, which is why we haven't moved away from this yet.

The problem isn't Marxism, it's plutocracy.

And the liberals rejoicing over the death of coal would be the first in line to whine and complain when poor people died in the summer because they couldn't afford to pay for the electricity to run air conditioning.

 

[pknopp]

Donald Trump promised to revived the coal industry but instead he has been a nightmare for coworkers. Some big companies are even going bankrupt:

"Perhaps the most persuasive evidence of President’s Trump’s failure to revive the coal industry lies in the number of coal company bankruptcies and mine closings. As of Oct. 30, 2019, 11 companies, including the largest privately held operation, had declared bankruptcy since Trump’s inauguration. And according to the USEIA, more than half of all mines operating in 2008 had closed by the end of 2018. The consumption of renewable sources of energy surpassed coal consumption in 2019 for the first time in over 130 years, according to USEIA."

https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/op-ed/article244088642.html

Coal miners are great people and I feel bad for them because they were conned into voting for Trump with the illusion that he would help them.
We heard a lot about Hillary being potentially really bad for coal workers but Donald Trump has been full of empty promises of greatness and resurgence.

They had a choice, Russian BS aside. So did the burbs in the Rust Belt, and they chose DJT. And now they are crying Covid-19 mismanagement from the WH and everything else from coal to no health benefits.

So you believe they would have done better under Hillary?

Hillary lost coal country because she stated she would put coal miners out of work. Under Trump we are simply working towards what she said she would do.

No she didn't say she would put coal miners out of work.

You just repeated a lie.

She told them that their jobs are going away and won't come back. Then she offered them reeducation so they wouldn't be totally screwed.

She told them the ugly truth. Coal is a dying industry. Much more cleaner and much more efficient sources of energy are being used and developed.

They chose to go with the liar who pandered to them with lies to get them to vote against their best interest. They chose the lazy way and they got totally screwed.

If people are too lazy to take responsibility for their own lives then I really can't have any sympathy for them.

They made the bad choice. Now they don't want to take responsibility for that bad choice.

They were warned. They ignored the truth and warnings. They made the lazy choice. They got what they voted for. I have no sympathy for them.

"Reeducation" for what?

Read her energy and coal proposal.

Reeducation in new energy industries, in computers, in medical field or any other field they want to work in.

She proposed 30 billion for them to be retrained.

They chose to not do the work to secure their own future. Which was a very bad choice. So now they are totally screwed. No job, no retraining and no hope for a future.

They made the very bad choice to take the lazy way. They chose trump the liar who now has abandoned the workers and they've been left high and dry on their own.

They were warned. They ignored the warnings. They got what they voted for. Now they're whining about it.

They should stop whining, go get new training and get their lives together.

I highly doubt they will do that. They have already shown they are too lazy to do the work for their own future.

The result will be more generational poverty in West Virginia.

They had a chance at a better life, they were too lazy to take it.

There are no alternative energy jobs (or at least not that many), computer or nursing jobs to be had. What good is it to offer people training in non existent jobs and how do they survive until these jobs happen to appear?

Empty rhetoric.

But yeah, go ahead and note how you have no sympathy for them. How Democrat of you.

There might not be in your area but my area has alternative energy jobs.

You might not need nurses or health care workers where you live but they are needed all over the nation.

You may not have many computer jobs where you live but there are tons of them all over the nation.

Those aren't the only jobs. People can go to school to learn anything they want. Not just what I listed.

Stop being so negative. You're just making excuses and enabling those workers to remain lazy and in poverty. Many other people in professions that died got retrained. The coal miners can do the same thing. When was the last time anyone needed a key punch operator?

Then there are the manufacturing jobs that went overseas. All those workers were offered retraining so they could have a career that would support them.

Stop advocating for people to be so lazy. Coal is a dying industry. They were told the truth. They were told they would get help to be retrained. All it took from them is the work to do it. They were too lazy to want to do the work so now they're screwed.

Your attitude only allows them to remain lazy and create more generational poverty.

Good going.

There are no jobs. Are you really going to argue that people don't have jobs or even more specifically decent paying jobs simply because they are lazy?

I'm not talking about right now during this pandemic.

In normal times there are jobs.

Again, have you ever been in coal mining country? No there is not.

Right now the medical field needs workers for countless jobs. The covid virus is going to raise the number of breathing specialists needed alone.

Then there's the rural areas. They barely have a clinic muchness a hospital. I own a second house in one of those rural areas. The nearest hospital is 40 miles away. And that one is a small one with limited services. Most have to travel all the way to King county to get proper medical help.

The need for workers is limited now but that's not going to last forever.

No, those who want good paying jobs aren't lazy. Those who aren't willing to take the time and work to be able to do those good paying jobs are the lazy ones. Like the coal miners who turned down free education. So many are paying on college loans yet those miners turned free college or trade school training down.

I don't think that is smart. It's not the actions of people who are willing to put in the work to be trained in a profession that can support them. It's the actions of lazy people who don't want to keep up with society and the changes our society goes through.

Your attitude only enables the mess. Look at where they are now. They have no job. No ability to get a new job. Seems to me that all the denial and excuses aren't changing their situation for the better. The only thing that will do that is retraining for a profession that will support them. A bonus, it won't be a profession that kills them like coal will.

It's classic capitalism doing it's job. It's a very good example of why supply side economics doesn't work. It's another example that no amount of tax cuts, no amount of deregulation, no amount of privatization will prevent it. A company can supply all the coal they want. America is the Saudi Arabia of coal.

It's worthless if people don't buy it.

Hospitals in WV are going out of business.

Struggles likely to continue for West Virginia hospitals - WV MetroNews

I'm sorry that West Virginia doesn't have a diversified economy. It's not safe.

I know. I am from Seattle. I remember the sign on Interstate 5 that said the last person out of the city please turn out the lights.

Boeing was our primary source of good jobs. We didn't diversify. So we nearly died.

My dad was one of the few at Boeing who didn't lose their jobs. Many of my friends' dads did. They had to move away.

In the years since we have diversified. Not just the city but the whole state.

Why not start changing now? Why deny the inevitable? The jobs are going away. They aren't going to come back no matter how much you or anyone wants them to come back. it will be cheaper and easier now than when it gets totally out of control.

No amount of excuses that they can't get retrained will work with me either. I watched as my city and state changed. No it can't happen over night but then, we aren't into instant gratification either. We knew and still know it takes work to make the change.

You can change the state. You just have to have the will and do the work.

Saying you can't will guarantee you won't. It will also doom your state to an even worse future.

We did. So can you.

Diversify? Like putting a factory on top of a mountain? You are doing the same thing as earlier. Vast generalization. Seattle has an airport. You aren't going to be able to sustain an airport in the mountains of WV to fly CEO's into.

What does an airport have to do with this?

There are a few airports here, what's the point?

Nordstrom, REI, Costco, Microsoft, Starbucks, Amazon and so many others started right here in Seattle.

None of them had anything to do with an airport.

Your state can diversify. You just have to stop making excuses to not do it.

A defeatist attitude never accomplished anything.

Go ahead, make excuses for being lazy. I don't care.

Ignore good advice.

Watch as the jobs dry up. Watch as your state becomes more of a mess.

You seem to be fine with doing nothing but whining about it. So carry on.

I really don't care.

A few airports is a world of difference compared to none.

 

[pknopp]

She offered them welfare. Train them for what exactly?

Nope. Training programs. Everything from computer programming to nursing.

What I’ve heard from many others is that would be ineffective because coal miners are too stupid.

How many hospitals and computer jobs do you suppose there are in the mountains of WV?

IT jobs can be anywhere there's broadband.

IT jobs are few compared to coal mining. Microsoft isn't going to build in the mountains of WV.

 

[Rye Catcher]

One didn't need to be Nostradamus to see the handwriting on the wall for the coal industry. Hillary told miners the truth they didn't want to hear. Trump offered false hope. For a long time it has been my thought that if just half the plans our candidates sold to the public were successful, our streets would be lined with gold.

Yeah....Hillary wanted to do it by 2017. She wanted to ban coal mining.
So you think you can argue that Trump keeping many of them running is a bad thing?

Why do you lie all the time? Do you really believe you can fool all but the fools? HRC saw the writing on the wall, proposed funding in her platform to provide for retraining coal workers into 21st Century jobs. Now they are out of work and on the dole.

 

[mudwhistle]

One didn't need to be Nostradamus to see the handwriting on the wall for the coal industry. Hillary told miners the truth they didn't want to hear. Trump offered false hope. For a long time it has been my thought that if just half the plans our candidates sold to the public were successful, our streets would be lined with gold.

Yeah....Hillary wanted to do it by 2017. She wanted to ban coal mining.
So you think you can argue that Trump keeping many of them running is a bad thing?

Why do you lie all the time? Do you really believe you can fool all but the fools? HRC saw the writing on the wall, proposed funding in her platform to provide for retraining coal workers into 21st Century jobs. Now they are out of work and on the dole.

Now they're out of work because of the Dems and their Chinese friends springing a virus on us.

 

[hadit]

She offered them welfare. Train them for what exactly?

Nope. Training programs. Everything from computer programming to nursing.

What I’ve heard from many others is that would be ineffective because coal miners are too stupid.

How many hospitals and computer jobs do you suppose there are in the mountains of WV?

IT jobs can be anywhere there's broadband.

IT jobs are few compared to coal mining. Microsoft isn't going to build in the mountains of WV.

Microsoft doesn't have to build anywhere for IT jobs to exist. Like I said, IT jobs can be done anywhere there's broadband, and the demand is high.

 

[pknopp]

She offered them welfare. Train them for what exactly?

Nope. Training programs. Everything from computer programming to nursing.

What I’ve heard from many others is that would be ineffective because coal miners are too stupid.

How many hospitals and computer jobs do you suppose there are in the mountains of WV?

IT jobs can be anywhere there's broadband.

IT jobs are few compared to coal mining. Microsoft isn't going to build in the mountains of WV.

Microsoft doesn't have to build anywhere for IT jobs to exist. Like I said, IT jobs can be done anywhere there's broadband, and the demand is high.

Which is saying nothing.

 

[hadit]

She offered them welfare. Train them for what exactly?

Nope. Training programs. Everything from computer programming to nursing.

What I’ve heard from many others is that would be ineffective because coal miners are too stupid.

How many hospitals and computer jobs do you suppose there are in the mountains of WV?

IT jobs can be anywhere there's broadband.

IT jobs are few compared to coal mining. Microsoft isn't going to build in the mountains of WV.

Microsoft doesn't have to build anywhere for IT jobs to exist. Like I said, IT jobs can be done anywhere there's broadband, and the demand is high.

Which is saying nothing.

Nonsense, it is saying that IT jobs can be in WV. I could move there tomorrow and keep doing what I do. I am completely mobile. In fact, I would get paid the same with a much lower cost of living. Why do you think Microsoft hires all the IT people?

 

[hadit]

Prove it. You can't prove that statement. Does Trump have dictator powers to force states to close, to block off all movement of people, to force closings of EVERYTHING in the country?

Well, he claims he does. If he claims he can REOPEN the country, despite what the states say, then he'd have no problem CLOSING the country.

Fact check: Trump claims it's his call on when to 'reopen' the country. He's wrong.

Only the states can give shutdown orders, and only the states can lift them, legal scholars say. Many governors agree.

www.nbcnews.com

If he doesn't have the power, it's hot air and the WuhanFlu killed the economy.