Trump Challenges Equal Endowment Of Birthright Citizenship For Children Of Illegal Migrants

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" Trump Challenges Equal Endowment Of Birthright Citizenship For Children Of Illegal Migrants "

Under current law, all babies born in United States are automatically granted citizenship, regardless of whether or not their parents are American. An executive order signed by President Trump would likely put an end to such legal protections.
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However, the courts have not definitively ruled on the issue.
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Critics of birthright citizenship oppose the fact that illegal immigrants and visitors to the United States can give birth to children who automatically have American citizenship rights.
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
 

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Kinda late for this. The right wanted Trump to do this all along but he didn't. It's meaningless to issue an EO like this on the way out the door.
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
Natural born is the only requirement after 1808. We did not need a civil war nor the amendments that followed, only morals.
 

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Only 30 countries, out of 194, have birthright citizenship?
So. What a difference a Constitution makes.

With all of the problems we have with our economy, this is what right wingers harp on.
So. What a difference a Constitution makes.
Did you even look at the other countries that allow it?

Other than Canada, few of them have anything going for them.
 

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Only 30 countries, out of 194, have birthright citizenship?
How many Justices have been replaced on the Supreme Court again? Seems that before Jan 21st there could be a ruling on the 14th amendment and slavery...


Fourteenth Amendment, amendment (1868) to the Constitution of the United States that granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and slaves who had been emancipated after the American Civil War, including them under the umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.”
Fourteenth Amendment | Definition, Significance, & Facts ...
www.britannica.com/topic/Fourteenth-Amendment

www.britannica.com/topic/Fourteenth-Amendment


Now if you are saying that the Progressives are bringing illegals in to be slaves, then i can understand that you want them to have the 14th amendment for their children, but you do realize progressives, that slavery is illegal and can get your put in prison....
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

You are implying that the people of the First Nations ("Indians") are not citizens of the United States. You are implying that people born in the U.S. territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the Northern Marianas are not citizens of the United States. They are. Careful there.

This all occurred before J. Roberts was even born.
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
Natural born is the only requirement after 1808. We did not need a civil war nor the amendments that followed, only morals.
No......that is a lie.

Ellis ISland for example during the early 1900's with the immigrants flooding over. Born over or not-----if your parents weren't citizens you weren't one. Many many babies born here were kicked out when their parents didn't qualify citizenship or entry into the US for such things as not paying their medical examination bills, not being able to speak english, having a disease or disability, not having someone sponsor and vouch for them.
 

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These are the countries those for birthright citizenship want us to be peers with...

1Antigua and Barbuda
2Argentina
3Barbados
4Belize
5Bolivia
6Brazil
7Canada
8Chile
9Cuba
10Dominica
11Ecuador
12El Salvador
13Fiji
14Grenada
15Guatemala
16Guyana
17Honduras
18Jamaica
19Mexico
20Nicaragua
21Panama
22Paraguay
23Peru
24Saint Kitts and Nevis
25Saint Lucia
26Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
27Trinidad and Tobago
28United States
29Uruguay
30Venezuela

I think we're better than they are.

A large portion of the world thinks they are better than they are, for obvious reasons.
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
Natural born is the only requirement after 1808. We did not need a civil war nor the amendments that followed, only morals.
No......that is a lie.

Ellis ISland for example during the early 1900's with the immigrants flooding over. Born over or not-----if your parents weren't citizens you weren't one. Many many babies born here were kicked out when their parents didn't qualify citizenship or entry into the US for such things as not paying their medical examination bills, not being able to speak english, having a disease or disability, not having someone sponsor and vouch for them.
Now that you have tried to delegitimize my own mother, born in New Jersey, and her siblings, based on the date of their mother's and father's swearing in as citizens, go do your own ancestral homework. You are saying that any ancestors of people in Texas who were born when Texas was a territory of Mexico could not have passed down U.S. citizenship to their offspring. According to your theory, many of the people who fought Santa Ana at the Alamo were Mexican citizens.
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
Natural born is the only requirement after 1808. We did not need a civil war nor the amendments that followed, only morals.
No......that is a lie.

Ellis ISland for example during the early 1900's with the immigrants flooding over. Born over or not-----if your parents weren't citizens you weren't one. Many many babies born here were kicked out when their parents didn't qualify citizenship or entry into the US for such things as not paying their medical examination bills, not being able to speak english, having a disease or disability, not having someone sponsor and vouch for them.
Now that you have tried to delegitimize my own mother, born in New Jersey, and her siblings, based on the date of their mother's and father's swearing in as citizens, go do your own ancestral homework. You are saying that any ancestors of people in Texas who were born when Texas was a territory of Mexico could not have passed down U.S. citizenship to their offspring. According to your theory, many of the people who fought Santa Ana at the Alamo were Mexican citizens.
Oh look ...you don't like the facts so you try for some sort of emotional manipulation? These type of stunts don't work well me since I always just restate the facts.

Hun again------many people flooded over to the US early 1900's and sought american citizenship. Many gave birth here and were subsequently denied citizenship for various reasons ---their offspring born here or not---were also kicked back out of the country with them and not given citizenship. There never was an amendment that gave anchor brats citizenship.

Apparently, since you haven't figured it out on your own--your mother not born here and her siblings not born here like other kids not born here---was given citizenship when their parents became citizens (I assume legally) although given the nonsense you posted after being told the facts if they weren't given legal citizenship--I am all for tossing them and you back out. I like intelligent non-manipulative people, not free loaders attempting to manpulate.

All Texans (well not Indians) became citizens of the US when TEXAS became part of the US regardless of where their parents were born hun.
 
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Only 30 countries, out of 194, have birthright citizenship?
How many Justices have been replaced on the Supreme Court again? Seems that before Jan 21st there could be a ruling on the 14th amendment and slavery...


Fourteenth Amendment, amendment (1868) to the Constitution of the United States that granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and slaves who had been emancipated after the American Civil War, including them under the umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.”
Fourteenth Amendment | Definition, Significance, & Facts ...
View attachment 419287
www.britannica.com/topic/Fourteenth-Amendment


Now if you are saying that the Progressives are bringing illegals in to be slaves, then i can understand that you want them to have the 14th amendment for their children, but you do realize progressives, that slavery is illegal and can get your put in prison....
Trying to change the meanings of words in clauses is good for a laugh but that is as far as it can go.
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
Natural born is the only requirement after 1808. We did not need a civil war nor the amendments that followed, only morals.
No......that is a lie.

Ellis ISland for example during the early 1900's with the immigrants flooding over. Born over or not-----if your parents weren't citizens you weren't one. Many many babies born here were kicked out when their parents didn't qualify citizenship or entry into the US for such things as not paying their medical examination bills, not being able to speak english, having a disease or disability, not having someone sponsor and vouch for them.
Now that you have tried to delegitimize my own mother, born in New Jersey, and her siblings, based on the date of their mother's and father's swearing in as citizens, go do your own ancestral homework. You are saying that any ancestors of people in Texas who were born when Texas was a territory of Mexico could not have passed down U.S. citizenship to their offspring. According to your theory, many of the people who fought Santa Ana at the Alamo were Mexican citizens.
Oh look ...you don't like the facts so you try for some sort of emotional manipulation? These type of stunts don't work well me since I always just restate the facts.

Hun again------many people flooded over to the US early 1900's and sought american citizenship. Many gave birth here and were subsequently denied citizenship for various reasons ---their offspring born here or not---were also kicked out back out of the country with them and not given citizenship. There never was an amendment that gave anchor brats citizenship.

Apparently, since you haven't figured it out on your own--your mother not born here and her siblings not born here like other kids not born here---was given citizenship when their parents became citizens (I assume legally) although given the nonsense you posted after being told the facts if they weren't given legal citizenship--I am all for tossing them and you back out. I like intelligent non-manipulative people, not free loaders attempting to manpulate.

All Texans (well not Indians) became citizens of the US when TEXAS became part of the US regardless of where their parents were born hun.
That was before the Civil War
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
Natural born is the only requirement after 1808. We did not need a civil war nor the amendments that followed, only morals.
No......that is a lie.

Ellis ISland for example during the early 1900's with the immigrants flooding over. Born over or not-----if your parents weren't citizens you weren't one. Many many babies born here were kicked out when their parents didn't qualify citizenship or entry into the US for such things as not paying their medical examination bills, not being able to speak english, having a disease or disability, not having someone sponsor and vouch for them.
Now that you have tried to delegitimize my own mother, born in New Jersey, and her siblings, based on the date of their mother's and father's swearing in as citizens, go do your own ancestral homework. You are saying that any ancestors of people in Texas who were born when Texas was a territory of Mexico could not have passed down U.S. citizenship to their offspring. According to your theory, many of the people who fought Santa Ana at the Alamo were Mexican citizens.
Oh look ...you don't like the facts so you try for some sort of emotional manipulation? These type of stunts don't work well me since I always just restate the facts.

Hun again------many people flooded over to the US early 1900's and sought american citizenship. Many gave birth here and were subsequently denied citizenship for various reasons ---their offspring born here or not---were also kicked out back out of the country with them and not given citizenship. There never was an amendment that gave anchor brats citizenship.

Apparently, since you haven't figured it out on your own--your mother not born here and her siblings not born here like other kids not born here---was given citizenship when their parents became citizens (I assume legally) although given the nonsense you posted after being told the facts if they weren't given legal citizenship--I am all for tossing them and you back out. I like intelligent non-manipulative people, not free loaders attempting to manpulate.

All Texans (well not Indians) became citizens of the US when TEXAS became part of the US regardless of where their parents were born hun.
That was before the Civil War
Doesn't matter....

All states were the same before or after the war----once a state was admitted into the US--its citizens all gained citizenship regardless of where their parents were born..well still not the slaves before war and the indians before or after the war.
 

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trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The Constitution never gave illegals anchor brats citizenship.

The claims that it had when it hadn't are lies (propaganda) put out by libs and republican swamp creatures who want the illegals in. Following the civil war an amendment was put in making slaves and their offspring citizens because they had put under and lived under the jurisdiction of the US for generations in many cases and were no longer subject to their home nations jurisdictions------------INDIANS weren't even made citizens no matter where they were born.........foreigners and their offspring weren't made citizens either and were never intended to be made citizens by this amendment. Only after SC ROBERTS and others spun and twisted the law were such claims were made despite the historical facts.
Natural born is the only requirement after 1808. We did not need a civil war nor the amendments that followed, only morals.
No......that is a lie.

Ellis ISland for example during the early 1900's with the immigrants flooding over. Born over or not-----if your parents weren't citizens you weren't one. Many many babies born here were kicked out when their parents didn't qualify citizenship or entry into the US for such things as not paying their medical examination bills, not being able to speak english, having a disease or disability, not having someone sponsor and vouch for them.
Now that you have tried to delegitimize my own mother, born in New Jersey, and her siblings, based on the date of their mother's and father's swearing in as citizens, go do your own ancestral homework. You are saying that any ancestors of people in Texas who were born when Texas was a territory of Mexico could not have passed down U.S. citizenship to their offspring. According to your theory, many of the people who fought Santa Ana at the Alamo were Mexican citizens.
Oh look ...you don't like the facts so you try for some sort of emotional manipulation? These type of stunts don't work well me since I always just restate the facts.

Hun again------many people flooded over to the US early 1900's and sought american citizenship. Many gave birth here and were subsequently denied citizenship for various reasons ---their offspring born here or not---were also kicked out back out of the country with them and not given citizenship. There never was an amendment that gave anchor brats citizenship.

Apparently, since you haven't figured it out on your own--your mother not born here and her siblings not born here like other kids not born here---was given citizenship when their parents became citizens (I assume legally) although given the nonsense you posted after being told the facts if they weren't given legal citizenship--I am all for tossing them and you back out. I like intelligent non-manipulative people, not free loaders attempting to manpulate.

All Texans (well not Indians) became citizens of the US when TEXAS became part of the US regardless of where their parents were born hun.
That was before the Civil War
Doesn't matter....

All states were the same before or after the war----once a state was admitted into the US--its citizens all gained citizenship regardless of where their parents were born..well still not the slaves before war and the indians before or after the war.
Yet that has nothing to do with the amendment and it's interpretation of today. Indians are citizens of their own sovereign nation.
 

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Only 30 countries, out of 194, have birthright citizenship?
So. What a difference a Constitution makes.

With all of the problems we have with our economy, this is what right wingers harp on.
So. What a difference a Constitution makes.
Did you even look at the other countries that allow it?

Other than Canada, few of them have anything going for them.
What happens when they can't faithfully execute their Constitution. Right wingers don't care about express laws only their bigotry. Thank goodness our Founding Fathers did such an excellent job with our supreme law of the land.
 

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Only 30 countries, out of 194, have birthright citizenship?
How many Justices have been replaced on the Supreme Court again? Seems that before Jan 21st there could be a ruling on the 14th amendment and slavery...


Fourteenth Amendment, amendment (1868) to the Constitution of the United States that granted citizenship and equal civil and legal rights to African Americans and slaves who had been emancipated after the American Civil War, including them under the umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.”
Fourteenth Amendment | Definition, Significance, & Facts ...
View attachment 419287
www.britannica.com/topic/Fourteenth-Amendment


Now if you are saying that the Progressives are bringing illegals in to be slaves, then i can understand that you want them to have the 14th amendment for their children, but you do realize progressives, that slavery is illegal and can get your put in prison....
Isn't right wing fantasy wonderful. It is the right wing who want to abolish minimum wage laws.
 

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