Zone1 To Those Who Have Ears - LET THEM HEAR! Knock and It Will Be Given To You - The REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST HAS BEEN FULFILLED.

[Cougarbear]

Well, I know the Bible well. The true scriptures of God given to apostles and prophets for us to know doctrine and truth. I’m simply saying that if the Catholic doctrine says baptism gives anyone the priesthood, that is contrary to the teachings of the scriptures. It’s also contrary to the Catholic doctrine concerning the priesthood and who can be a priest as well as called one. If you want to say you have blessings from a priest at baptism, I’m fine with that. But you are not a priest. Why you can’t see the hypocrisy?

 

[Cougarbear]

Once again, your understanding is not Catholic understanding. You are fine with LDS understanding so no reason to continue.

Doesn’t matter. I can read, see and hear. I find this an example of blind faith. No logic or reasoning used. The obvious is present if the hypocrisy. Yet, you just say it’s a Catholic thing without support from the doctrine of the scriptures.

 

[Meriweather]

Well, I know the Bible well. The true scriptures of God given to apostles and prophets for us to know doctrine and truth. I’m simply saying that if the Catholic doctrine says baptism gives anyone the priesthood, that is contrary to the teachings of the scriptures. It’s also contrary to the Catholic doctrine concerning the priesthood and who can be a priest as well as called one. If you want to say you have blessings from a priest at baptism, I’m fine with that. But you are not a priest. Why you can’t see the hypocrisy?

I've spent decades studying both the Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and the histories of early Church Fathers. The Kingdom of God and God's servants don't all belong to an ordained priesthood, a point you cannot seem to fathom. This ordinary (not ordained) priesthood is of ordinary folk proclaiming, talking of, and teaching the Gospel message. If you don't consider lay teachers--not to mention parents--who teach Christ's words and his ways as priests, it doesn't bother me. Call us unicorns if you think that is a better way to define lay people who spread Christ's words and actions. We happen to call it a priesthood with a priestly duty. This takes nothing from our ordained ministry.

 

[kjw47]

Isaiah 9 contains a well-known prophecy about the coming of Jesus Christ. Verse 1 describes the northern part of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, which was the first area attacked when nations like Assyria came from the north. Isaiah prophesied that this area—known as “the Galilee”—would not always be so troubled. Isaiah promised that God would send them light and joy through the birth of a child who would break the “yoke of [their] burden” (Isaiah 9:4) and be called “Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (v. 6). All of these names refer to the Messiah—the King of Kings—and this prophecy was most completely fulfilled when Jesus spent most of His mortal ministry in this Galilee area (see Matthew 4:12–16). The prophecy continues to be fulfilled as the government, or rule, of Jesus Christ continues to eternally expand when individuals accept Him as their king and become eligible for the blessings of eternal life (see Isaiah 9:7).

Surada is really Muslim in her heart and refuses to believe the OT has anything to do with prophecy, revelation or the coming of the Lord. Of course, you don't either.

He is speaking about Cyrus being the Messiah.
Yes Jesus' NAME is called those things.

 

[Meriweather]

Doesn’t matter. I can read, see and hear. I find this an example of blind faith. No logic or reasoning used. The obvious is present if the hypocrisy. Yet, you just say it’s a Catholic thing without support from the doctrine of the scriptures.

This conveys your lack of understanding of the priesthood of believers, that even Christian Protestant Churches follow. Do you trust that all believers, through Christ redemptive work, gave all believers direct access to God which once belonged only to priests? This is called the priesthood of believers. Of my own knowledge, I don't know if all Protestant denominations, like Catholic, believe they have a duty to speak of and spread the Gospel message, to pray directly to God, etc. but other than the LDS faith, most Christians seem to understand the priesthood of the laity, of all Christian believers.

 

[Cougarbear]

I've spent decades studying both the Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and the histories of early Church Fathers. The Kingdom of God and God's servants don't all belong to an ordained priesthood, a point you cannot seem to fathom. This ordinary (not ordained) priesthood is of ordinary folk proclaiming, talking of, and teaching the Gospel message. If you don't consider lay teachers--not to mention parents--who teach Christ's words and his ways as priests, it doesn't bother me. Call us unicorns if you think that is a better way to define lay people who spread Christ's words and actions. We happen to call it a priesthood with a priestly duty. This takes nothing from our ordained ministry.

I will call you unicorns then.

 

[Meriweather]

I will call you unicorns then.

Yes. A rose by any other name...is still a rose. A priest by any other name is...still a priest. Remember that as you call us unicorns.

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes. A rose by any other name...is still a rose. A priest by any other name is...still a priest. Remember that as you call us unicorns.

Then you should be ordained instead of this confusion. I’m sure you call a woman a man or a man a woman if they want to be called as such.

 

[surada]

Isaiah 9 contains a well-known prophecy about the coming of Jesus Christ. Verse 1 describes the northern part of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, which was the first area attacked when nations like Assyria came from the north. Isaiah prophesied that this area—known as “the Galilee”—would not always be so troubled. Isaiah promised that God would send them light and joy through the birth of a child who would break the “yoke of [their] burden” (Isaiah 9:4) and be called “Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (v. 6). All of these names refer to the Messiah—the King of Kings—and this prophecy was most completely fulfilled when Jesus spent most of His mortal ministry in this Galilee area (see Matthew 4:12–16). The prophecy continues to be fulfilled as the government, or rule, of Jesus Christ continues to eternally expand when individuals accept Him as their king and become eligible for the blessings of eternal life (see Isaiah 9:7).

Surada is really Muslim in her heart and refuses to believe the OT has anything to do with prophecy, revelation or the coming of the Lord. Of course, you don't either.

Lol I'm not a Muslim. Have you figured out who Immanuel is?

 

[surada]

He is speaking about Cyrus being the Messiah.
Yes Jesus' NAME is called those things.

Isaiah 45:1

Thus says the Lord to his anointed, Cyrus, whose right hand I grasp, Subduing nations before him, stripping kings of their strength, Opening doors before him, leaving the gates unbarred: 2 'I will go before you and level the mountains; Bronze doors I will shatter, iron bars I will snap. 3 I will give you treasures of darkness, riches hidden away, That you may know I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who calls you by name

 

[surada]

King James Version
45 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

 

[surada]

28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

 

[surada]

LDS rewrites Isaiah.

According to Second Isaiah Yahweh holds both the Servant and Cyrus by their right hand (42:6; 45:1), calls upon them by name (43:1; 45:3-4), and calls them in righteousness (42:6; 45:13). Cyrus, like the Servant of Yahweh, will bring forth justice (42:1, 3-4) and liberate prisoners (42:7).

 

[Cougarbear]

Lol I'm not a Muslim. Have you figured out who Immanuel is?

Then stop supporting Muslim beliefs. And, why are you minimizing Jesus Christ like Muslims do? The post I put proves you wrong.

 

[kjw47]

Isaiah 45:1

Thus says the Lord to his anointed, Cyrus, whose right hand I grasp, Subduing nations before him, stripping kings of their strength, Opening doors before him, leaving the gates unbarred: 2 'I will go before you and level the mountains; Bronze doors I will shatter, iron bars I will snap. 3 I will give you treasures of darkness, riches hidden away, That you may know I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who calls you by name

No mention of him being the messiah whatsoever. Darkness twists it into that false teaching.

 

[Cougarbear]

No mention of him being the messiah whatsoever. Darkness twists it into that false teaching.

• In Judaism and Christianity
  The Messiah is a promised "anointed one" or Christ who is the savior. In Judaism, the Messiah is the expected king and deliverer of the Jewish people who will bring peace and prosperity. Jews believe the Messiah has not yet come. In Christianity, Jesus Christ is considered the Messiah who saved humanity from original sin.
  
  
  
• In general
  The Messiah can also refer to a messenger of God who is appointed to save oppressed people. For example, in a comic book, a superhero could be considered a messiah. The word can also refer to anyone who helps the powerless or seeks justice.
  
  

The word messiah comes from the Hebrew word mashiach, which means "anointed one" or "someone who is chosen to rule". It entered the English language through Old English, late Latin, and Greek. Since the mid-17th century, the word has also been used to describe a liberator or savior of a cause, country, or oppressed people.

You know, Moses was also considered a messiah as well. As stated, Jesus Christ is one who saves people from the oppression of sin. Isaiah 45:21-23, "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

Yep, that Lord God is also our Savior too. And, every knee shall bow and confess that Jesus is the Christ. The Messiah! The Living God of Israel.

 

[kjw47]

• In Judaism and Christianity
  The Messiah is a promised "anointed one" or Christ who is the savior. In Judaism, the Messiah is the expected king and deliverer of the Jewish people who will bring peace and prosperity. Jews believe the Messiah has not yet come. In Christianity, Jesus Christ is considered the Messiah who saved humanity from original sin.
  
  
  
• In general
  The Messiah can also refer to a messenger of God who is appointed to save oppressed people. For example, in a comic book, a superhero could be considered a messiah. The word can also refer to anyone who helps the powerless or seeks justice.

The word messiah comes from the Hebrew word mashiach, which means "anointed one" or "someone who is chosen to rule". It entered the English language through Old English, late Latin, and Greek. Since the mid-17th century, the word has also been used to describe a liberator or savior of a cause, country, or oppressed people.

You know, Moses was also considered a messiah as well. As stated, Jesus Christ is one who saves people from the oppression of sin. Isaiah 45:21-23, "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

Yep, that Lord God is also our Savior too. And, every knee shall bow and confess that Jesus is the Christ. The Messiah! The Living God of Israel.

All of Gods kings in OT were anointed as well. The apostles were anointed, all of the little flock are anointed. None are the Messiah.

 

[surada]

Then stop supporting Muslim beliefs. And, why are you minimizing Jesus Christ like Muslims do? The post I put proves you wrong.

Muslims revere Jesus. They consider him the purest of the prophets and born of a virgin. Like the Jews they don't believe that God has a human son.

Only kings were anointed.

 

[surada]

• In Judaism and Christianity
  The Messiah is a promised "anointed one" or Christ who is the savior. In Judaism, the Messiah is the expected king and deliverer of the Jewish people who will bring peace and prosperity. Jews believe the Messiah has not yet come. In Christianity, Jesus Christ is considered the Messiah who saved humanity from original sin.
  
  
  
• In general
  The Messiah can also refer to a messenger of God who is appointed to save oppressed people. For example, in a comic book, a superhero could be considered a messiah. The word can also refer to anyone who helps the powerless or seeks justice.

The word messiah comes from the Hebrew word mashiach, which means "anointed one" or "someone who is chosen to rule". It entered the English language through Old English, late Latin, and Greek. Since the mid-17th century, the word has also been used to describe a liberator or savior of a cause, country, or oppressed people.

You know, Moses was also considered a messiah as well. As stated, Jesus Christ is one who saves people from the oppression of sin. Isaiah 45:21-23, "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

Yep, that Lord God is also our Savior too. And, every knee shall bow and confess that Jesus is the Christ. The Messiah! The Living God of Israel.

Jesus isn't the God of Israel. Ask them.

There was no original sin until the 3rd century AD. Jews don't believe in original sin.

 

[surada]

There is an exception. If the Father named his son after his own name, then the Father might also be called YHVH(Jehovah). But the Jehovah most spoken of in scripture is Jesus. We never hear of what the Father's actual name is. We hear him called the Father, God, etc which are titles, but his actual name may also be YHVH(Jehovah) just as we see many on earth name their firstborn sons after their names.



John 5:43
43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Isaiah 44:6
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world.