Zone1 Christendom's Trinity - Where Did It Come From?

[Street Juice]

So, you are God?

No, I am real.

 

[Cougarbear]

No, I am real.

So is the Godhead, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

 

[Street Juice]

So is the Godhead, The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

They should have a coocoo emoji

 

[Cougarbear]

They should have a coocoo emoji

For atheists, YES!

 

[kjw47]

Paul did. It’s in the Bible too. That thing your church destroyed in 1960.

Paul was never in heaven.

 

[Cougarbear]

Paul was never in heaven.

Are you obtuse? He was raised in a vision into heaven. He saw one of the kingdoms of heaven paved with gold.

 

[kjw47]

Are you obtuse? He was raised in a vision into heaven. He saw one of the kingdoms of heaven paved with gold.

Real or symbolic? You do not know.

 

[Cougarbear]

Real or symbolic? You do not know.

Oh good grief. The typical squirm statement when shown your falsehoods. The person who points out the words and translation matters and then tries to worm out of getting caught with your pants down. You can’t say one thing is real the another symbolic when is suits you. You got caught with your pants down. Visions of young men and dreams of old men are in fact real.

 

[kjw47]

Oh good grief. The typical squirm statement when shown your falsehoods. The person who points out the words and translation matters and then tries to worm out of getting caught with your pants down. You can’t say one thing is real the another symbolic when is suits you. You got caught with your pants down. Visions of young men and dreams of old men are in fact real.

Sadly God will show you your error.

 

[Cougarbear]

Sadly God will show you your error.

I just showed you your error and I'm not even God. Wise up and throw away your false gods. Michael is not Jehovah. I am is I am in both OT and NT. Jehovah is not the Father. Again, another idol worshipper.

 

[kjw47]

I just showed you your error and I'm not even God. Wise up and throw away your false gods. Michael is not Jehovah. I am is I am in both OT and NT. Jehovah is not the Father. Again, another idol worshipper.

You are right, Michael is not Jehovah, Michael is Jesus.
There is no i am that i am from Hebrew to English--its put in trinity translations to mislead.

 

[Cougarbear]

You are right, Michael is not Jehovah, Michael is Jesus.
There is no i am that i am from Hebrew to English--its put in trinity translations to mislead.

Yes there is. Your scholars are changing the language to suit their lies. Michael is Adam, the ancient of days.

 

[0311]

Although Trinity is the most important doctrine within most of Christendom's 41,000 denominations, Trinitarians ignore the following facts:



1. There are no scriptures in the Judeo-Christian Bible in support of the dogma of a 3-in-1 god, in which there are three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) that are co-equal and co-eternal.

2. Neither Jesus Christ nor his disciples of the 1st century AD promoted the teaching that there are three persons within a "godhead," all of whom are co-equal and co-eternal.

3. Trinity did not become official Christian teaching until the 4th century AD, some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene and returned to heavenly life, and some 300 years after the last book of the Bible was written.


It would surprise some that there were trinity gods throughout the pagan world for centuries before the idea of a 3-in-1 god was adopted by Christendom. Below are four such examples:


A. In the 2nd century BCE (two centuries before Jesus Christ came to the earth), Egypt had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Horus, (2) Osiris, and (3) Isis.


B. In the 2nd century B.C.E., Babylon had a triad of gods consisting of (1) Ishtar, (2) Sin, and (3) Shamash.


C. In the 1st century C.E., Palmyra, which was an ancient city in Syria, had a triune god which consisted of (1) moon god, (2) Lord of Heavens, and (3) sun god.


D. Even the Hindus in India have their own trinity of gods, as follows: (1) Brahma, (2) Vishnu, and (3) Shiva.



QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION:

1. If the teaching of a Trinity god is essential to Christianity, how is it that the doctrine is nowhere to be found in scriptures within Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible?



2. If Jesus Christ is part of a trinity in which he has the same power (co-equal) and the same eternity (co-eternal) as Jehovah the Father, how is it that the scriptures repeatedly inform us that Jesus Christ is subservient to Almighty God Jehovah (indicating inequality) and why is it that scripture tells us over and over again that Jesus Christ is "begotten" (indicating he had a beginning)?



3. Why did it take two Roman Emperors/politicians, neither of whom were Christians, to enforce the official Trinity dogma some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene?

No where.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Scripture discusses Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the three personas of One God.

Jesus has two natures: Fully divine and fully human. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work in unison to accomplish the will of God.

It benefited the Roman emperors to have a united front in all aspects of government and society, which at that time included religion. It's a matter of having the people coming together and working together. They were told to resolve their differences.

Yep.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yes there is. Your scholars are changing the language to suit their lies. Michael is Adam, the ancient of days.

Michael is not Adam. Michael is not Jesus. Michael is an angel. A warrior angel. And has never been cast as anything but that. He is called a prince and protector of Israel.
He was called by Gabriel to fight the prince of Persia that was preventing a message to be delivered to Daniel.
All three are angels, except for Daniel. They are referred to as princes and principalities.

 

[Cougarbear]

Michael is not Adam. Michael is not Jesus. Michael is an angel. A warrior angel. And has never been cast as anything but that. He is called a prince and protector of Israel.
He was called by Gabriel to fight the prince of Persia that was preventing a message to be delivered to Daniel.
All three are angels, except for Daniel. They are referred to as princes and principalities.

Where did you come up with that? LOL!

 

[The Irish Ram]

Where does scripture say anything about Michael turning into Adam or Christ?
Where I came up with it is, among other scriptures about the archangel, in Daniel. < Read all about it for an understanding.
In Daniel chapter 10, the prophet fasts, humbling himself before God and praying for understanding regarding the Jews’ future. An angel finally appears to him 21 days later, and explains the delay: the “prince of Persia” had been opposing him the whole time, and it wasn’t until Michael relieved the angel that he could continue his trip to Daniel.

 

[Cougarbear]

You are right, Michael is not Jehovah, Michael is Jesus.
There is no i am that i am from Hebrew to English--its put in trinity translations to mislead.

• Key passages used to argue against the identification of Jesus with Michael:
  
  • Hebrews 1: This chapter emphasizes the supremacy of Jesus over angels and the fact that angels worship him.
    
    
  • Hebrews 1:5: This verse states that no angel is ever called "Son," which contrasts with Jesus's title as the Son of God.
    
    
  • Revelation 19:14-16: This passage describes Jesus as the leader of an army of angels, distinct from Michael.
    
    
  • Daniel 10:13: This verse mentions Michael as "one of the chief princes," suggesting a hierarchy of angels where Jesus is not identified as Michael.

 

[kjw47]

Yes there is. Your scholars are changing the language to suit their lies. Michael is Adam, the ancient of days.

Hebrew scholars, not JW,s say that passage does not translate-i am that i am. Keep the facts straight.

 

[kjw47]

• Key passages used to argue against the identification of Jesus with Michael:
  • Hebrews 1: This chapter emphasizes the supremacy of Jesus over angels and the fact that angels worship him.
    
    
  • Hebrews 1:5: This verse states that no angel is ever called "Son," which contrasts with Jesus's title as the Son of God.
    
    
  • Revelation 19:14-16: This passage describes Jesus as the leader of an army of angels, distinct from Michael.
    
    
  • Daniel 10:13: This verse mentions Michael as "one of the chief princes," suggesting a hierarchy of angels where Jesus is not identified as Michael.

Worship is NEVER given to one who has a God--Obeisance is the correct translating of that word for Jesus= Gods appointed king.
Archangel means chief of the angels-thus leads them. How do you explain Michael leading the angels during the war in heaven to defeat satan and his angels?
One of the chief princes means one who is anointed by God in a leader position. Satan was one of those=the anointed Cherub.