Zone1 To Those Who Have Ears - LET THEM HEAR! Knock and It Will Be Given To You - The REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST HAS BEEN FULFILLED.

[Cougarbear]

Yes, the only true God consists of three beings known as the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. These three are perfectly united in all they do as the one true God. The Father called Jesus to be the Redeemer and Savior before the foundation of the world and the God who was the God of the Old Testament who appeared before Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. Jesus speaks for and in behalf of God the Father because they are united in all things. Yes, YHWH was replaced by LORD. There is no argument about that. What you don't understand is that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are able to speak on behalf of one another because they are united. Jesus and the Father have been referred to as YHWH because they are both the one true God. They are God. They are not the same being or person but they are united in all they say and do as the one true God. Jesus is the Savior and Redeemer and the only one who died for the sins of the world. But yes, it was the will of the Father that He become the Savior and Jesus volunteered for the task. The oneness of God is not that God is a single being but that they are united as one. Up until the time of John, scripture tells us that no man had seen the Father (see John 1:18). But the Old Testament tells us that God was seen by several prophets (see Exodus 6:3, Genesis 32:30, Exodus 33:11, Exodus 24:9-11). It was YHWH or God the Son whom they saw and spoke to.

1 Corinthians 10:1–4
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The atoning sacrifice that Christ did was valid from the foundation of the world even though it was performed in the meridian of time and He was all mankind's Savior and Redeemer. It is through Jesus Christ that all mankind will resurrect from the dead and become immortal and live forever and ever. It is through God the Son that we can receive a forgiveness of sin and have the opportunity to progress to live again with God our Eternal Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. The Father is God. The Son is God. And the Holy Ghost is God. All three represent the one true God being united as one in all that they do.

The problem JWs and traditional Christians have is they only view the word “one”
As a number instead of “unity.”

 

[kjw47]

Are you really this obtuse? Jesus Christ is the redeemer of Israel. Isaiah says Jehovah is the redeemer. Simple logic says Jesus is Jehovah.
Colossians 2:9, “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
There’s a GODHEAD! Wake up.

I showed you already-Psalm 110:1 quoted at Matt 22:44= 100% proof Jesus is not Jehovah--who do believe Gods truth in 2 spots or the darkness misleading you?

 

[Cougarbear]

I showed you already-Psalm 110:1 quoted at Matt 22:44= 100% proof Jesus is not Jehovah--who do believe Gods truth in 2 spots or the darkness misleading you?

It does no such thing. And with the 15 or 20 examples we showed you, that out ways your interpretation of one scripture that actually supports our case. So, keep showing it. Maybe it will eventually dawn on you your attempted scholarly illogic is wrong. Gee, should I believe one loosely interpreted verse over all the many scriptures that proves you wrong? What about Colossians 2:9? Well? Godhead.

 

[kjw47]

Yes, the only true God consists of three beings known as the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. These three are perfectly united in all they do as the one true God. The Father called Jesus to be the Redeemer and Savior before the foundation of the world and the God who was the God of the Old Testament who appeared before Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. Jesus speaks for and in behalf of God the Father because they are united in all things. Yes, YHWH was replaced by LORD. There is no argument about that. What you don't understand is that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are able to speak on behalf of one another because they are united. Jesus and the Father have been referred to as YHWH because they are both the one true God. They are God. They are not the same being or person but they are united in all they say and do as the one true God. Jesus is the Savior and Redeemer and the only one who died for the sins of the world. But yes, it was the will of the Father that He become the Savior and Jesus volunteered for the task. The oneness of God is not that God is a single being but that they are united as one. Up until the time of John, scripture tells us that no man had seen the Father (see John 1:18). But the Old Testament tells us that God was seen by several prophets (see Exodus 6:3, Genesis 32:30, Exodus 33:11, Exodus 24:9-11). It was YHWH or God the Son whom they saw and spoke to.

1 Corinthians 10:1–4
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The atoning sacrifice that Christ did was valid from the foundation of the world even though it was performed in the meridian of time and He was all mankind's Savior and Redeemer. It is through Jesus Christ that all mankind will resurrect from the dead and become immortal and live forever and ever. It is through God the Son that we can receive a forgiveness of sin and have the opportunity to progress to live again with God our Eternal Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. The Father is God. The Son is God. And the Holy Ghost is God. All three represent the one true God being united as one in all that they do.

Recorded undeniable history= At the council of Constantinople in 381 ce the holy spirit was added to a godhead for the very first time known to man. Why? Because the Greeks and Romans who had many gods refused to go to a religion with a single being God. Thus the pagan false god worshipping king=Constantine had God made into a godhead for the very first time. Reality= Satan is posing as all the false gods on earth to get worship.
Yes they are united in doing the Fathers will-that is what makes them one. They are not a godhead.

Jesus = John 17:3--The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Paul = 1Cor 8:5-6--Warns all other gods are false then names only the Father as God.
Jesus= John 4:22-24--He warns all other gods are false then names only the Father as the one the true worshippers will worship in spirit and truth.
These are undeniable bible truths. Who do you believe?

 

[Mr Natural]

TL;DR

 

[onefour1]

I showed you already-Psalm 110:1 quoted at Matt 22:44= 100% proof Jesus is not Jehovah--who do believe Gods truth in 2 spots or the darkness misleading you?

You need to go back and study post #27 where it was shown that in Isaiah 44:6 that God the Father and his redeemer aka the first and the last are both called YHWH. They are both members of the one true godhead. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost constitute the one true God.

Yes, Psalms 110:1 and its explanation in Matthew 22 show that God the Father was called YHWH. But Isaiah 44:6 shows us that both God the Father and Jesus were called YHWH. Jesus is the Redeemer and Savior and the First and the Last.

 

[kjw47]

It does no such thing. And with the 15 or 20 examples we showed you, that out ways your interpretation of one scripture that actually supports our case. So, keep showing it. Maybe it will eventually dawn on you your attempted scholarly illogic is wrong. Gee, should I believe one loosely interpreted verse over all the many scriptures that proves you wrong? What about Colossians 2:9? Well? Godhead.

What don't you understand about--The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord(Jesus)sit at my right hand until i make your enemies your footstool? Simple English a 10 year old can reason= 2 separate beings mentioned there. One is Jehovah= MY and I, and 1 is Jesus= Lord and your=100% undeniable reality.

 

[onefour1]

Recorded undeniable history= At the council of Constantinople in 381 ce the holy spirit was added to a godhead for the very first time known to man. Why? Because the Greeks and Romans who had many gods refused to go to a religion with a single being God. Thus the pagan false god worshipping king=Constantine had God made into a godhead for the very first time. Reality= Satan is posing as all the false gods on earth to get worship.
Yes they are united in doing the Fathers will-that is what makes them one. They are not a godhead.

Jesus = John 17:3--The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
Paul = 1Cor 8:5-6--Warns all other gods are false then names only the Father as God.
Jesus= John 4:22-24--He warns all other gods are false then names only the Father as the one the true worshippers will worship in spirit and truth.
These are undeniable bible truths. Who do you believe?

Wow! So you don't believe in the Holy Ghost or the gift of the Holy Ghost? The Holy Ghost is mentioned all throughout the New Testament and did not come about in 381 ce. God is not a single being God! The godhead consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. These three constitute the one true God. They are united in purpose and glory.

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Matthew 28:19
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Holy Ghost​

• See also Baptism, Baptize; Comforter; Dove, Sign of the; Gift of the Holy Ghost; God, Godhead; Holy Spirit of Promise; Inspiration, Inspire; Revelation; Unpardonable Sin

The third member of the Godhead (1 Jn. 5:7; D&C 20:28). He is a personage of Spirit, not having a body of flesh and bones (D&C 130:22). The Holy Ghost is often referred to as the Spirit, or the Spirit of God.
The Holy Ghost performs several vital roles in the plan of salvation. (1) He bears witness of the Father and the Son (1 Cor. 12:3; 3 Ne. 28:11; Ether 12:41). (2) He reveals the truth of all things (John 14:26; 16:13; Moro. 10:5; D&C 39:6). (3) He sanctifies those who have repented and become baptized (John 3:5; 3 Ne. 27:20; Moses 6:64–68). (4) He is the Holy Spirit of Promise (D&C 76:50–53; 132:7, 18–19, 26).
The power of the Holy Ghost can come upon a person before baptism and witness that the gospel is true. But the right to have the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost, whenever one is worthy, is a gift that can be received only by the laying on of hands by a Melchizedek Priesthood holder after authorized baptism into the true Church of Jesus Christ.
Jesus taught that all sins could be forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (Matt. 12:31–32; Mark 3:28–29; Luke 12:10; Heb. 6:4–8; D&C 76:34–35).

• The Spirit causes men to walk in God’s statutes, Ezek. 36:27.
• The Apostles were commissioned to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, Matt. 28:19.
• The Holy Ghost shall teach you all things, John 14:26.
• Holy men spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost, 2 Pet. 1:21.
• Nephi was led by the Spirit, 1 Ne. 4:6.
• The mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them by the power of the Holy Ghost, 1 Ne. 10:17–19.
• The Holy Ghost shows all things that you should do, 2 Ne. 32:5.
• By the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things, Moro. 10:5.
• The Holy Ghost will tell you in your mind and in your heart, D&C 8:2.
• The Spirit leadeth to do good, D&C 11:12.
• The Holy Ghost knoweth all things, D&C 35:19.
• The Holy Ghost teaches the peaceable things of the kingdom, D&C 36:2 (D&C 39:6).
• If ye receive not the Spirit, ye shall not teach, D&C 42:14.
• The Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and the Son, D&C 42:17 (1 Cor. 12:3; 3 Ne. 11:32, 35–36).
• To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, D&C 46:13.
• Whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, D&C 68:4.
• The Holy Ghost shall be shed forth in bearing record unto all things ye shall say, D&C 100:8.
• The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, D&C 121:45–46.

 

[Cougarbear]

What don't you understand about--The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord(Jesus)sit at my right hand until i make your enemies your footstool? Simple English a 10 year old can reason= 2 separate beings mentioned there. One is Jehovah= MY and I, and 1 is Jesus= Lord and your=100% undeniable reality.

What don't you understand? All the scripture Onefour1 sent you and me too shows an abundance of proof to counter your claim that you interpreted this scripture correctly. He also explained your scripture so it coincides with all the scriptures you are denying exist. Why do you deny all those scriptures? There is a Godhead. The Bible says so.

 

[kjw47]

Wow! So you don't believe in the Holy Ghost or the gift of the Holy Ghost? The Holy Ghost is mentioned all throughout the New Testament and did not come about in 381 ce. God is not a single being God! The godhead consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. These three constitute the one true God. They are united in purpose and glory.

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Matthew 28:19
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Holy Ghost​

• See also Baptism, Baptize; Comforter; Dove, Sign of the; Gift of the Holy Ghost; God, Godhead; Holy Spirit of Promise; Inspiration, Inspire; Revelation; Unpardonable Sin

The third member of the Godhead (1 Jn. 5:7; D&C 20:28). He is a personage of Spirit, not having a body of flesh and bones (D&C 130:22). The Holy Ghost is often referred to as the Spirit, or the Spirit of God.
The Holy Ghost performs several vital roles in the plan of salvation. (1) He bears witness of the Father and the Son (1 Cor. 12:3; 3 Ne. 28:11; Ether 12:41). (2) He reveals the truth of all things (John 14:26; 16:13; Moro. 10:5; D&C 39:6). (3) He sanctifies those who have repented and become baptized (John 3:5; 3 Ne. 27:20; Moses 6:64–68). (4) He is the Holy Spirit of Promise (D&C 76:50–53; 132:7, 18–19, 26).
The power of the Holy Ghost can come upon a person before baptism and witness that the gospel is true. But the right to have the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost, whenever one is worthy, is a gift that can be received only by the laying on of hands by a Melchizedek Priesthood holder after authorized baptism into the true Church of Jesus Christ.
Jesus taught that all sins could be forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (Matt. 12:31–32; Mark 3:28–29; Luke 12:10; Heb. 6:4–8; D&C 76:34–35).

• The Spirit causes men to walk in God’s statutes, Ezek. 36:27.
• The Apostles were commissioned to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, Matt. 28:19.
• The Holy Ghost shall teach you all things, John 14:26.
• Holy men spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost, 2 Pet. 1:21.
• Nephi was led by the Spirit, 1 Ne. 4:6.
• The mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them by the power of the Holy Ghost, 1 Ne. 10:17–19.
• The Holy Ghost shows all things that you should do, 2 Ne. 32:5.
• By the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things, Moro. 10:5.
• The Holy Ghost will tell you in your mind and in your heart, D&C 8:2.
• The Spirit leadeth to do good, D&C 11:12.
• The Holy Ghost knoweth all things, D&C 35:19.
• The Holy Ghost teaches the peaceable things of the kingdom, D&C 36:2 (D&C 39:6).
• If ye receive not the Spirit, ye shall not teach, D&C 42:14.
• The Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and the Son, D&C 42:17 (1 Cor. 12:3; 3 Ne. 11:32, 35–36).
• To some it is given by the Holy Ghost to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, D&C 46:13.
• Whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture, D&C 68:4.
• The Holy Ghost shall be shed forth in bearing record unto all things ye shall say, D&C 100:8.
• The Holy Ghost shall be thy constant companion, D&C 121:45–46.

Its been proven--The spirit water and blood are the 3 witness bearers. not as Catholicism translated to the Father, son and holy spirit= error. Proof came out of Catholic Archives late1960,s or early 1970,s.

The holy spirit has 0 personal name as all living beings do., never seen on a throne, never has honor, glory or the such given to it. One does not need to know the holy spirit to get eternal life( John 17:3)--Yet Father and son have it all.--It is Gods active force.

 

[kjw47]

What don't you understand? All the scripture Onefour1 sent you and me too shows an abundance of proof to counter your claim that you interpreted this scripture correctly. He also explained your scripture so it coincides with all the scriptures you are denying exist. Why do you deny all those scriptures? There is a Godhead. The Bible says so.

The bible does not contradict itself--trinity translations contradict itself.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

TL;DR

Good for you.

It's time for the human race to grow up and put away these childish toys.

 

[Cougarbear]

The bible does not contradict itself--trinity translations contradict itself.

Let me make it clear, you and your scholars contradict the truth.

 

[Cougarbear]

Its been proven--The spirit water and blood are the 3 witness bearers. not as Catholicism translated to the Father, son and holy spirit= error. Proof came out of Catholic Archives late1960,s or early 1970,s.

The holy spirit has 0 personal name as all living beings do., never seen on a throne, never has honor, glory or the such given to it. One does not need to know the holy spirit to get eternal life( John 17:3)--Yet Father and son have it all.--It is Gods active force.

You are really out in left field. We call the Holy Spirit the Holy Ghost because it is his title. We call the Father and Son because it is their title. The three are members of the Godhead as stated in your Bible too because Godhead is the title of the governing body in heaven and the universe.

 

[kjw47]

Let me make it clear, you and your scholars contradict the truth.

You are going to be very angry when this day comes--They will have to know i am Jehovah.

 

[kjw47]

You are really out in left field. We call the Holy Spirit the Holy Ghost because it is his title. We call the Father and Son because it is their title. The three are members of the Godhead as stated in your Bible too because Godhead is the title of the governing body in heaven and the universe.

No bible teaches that. No such word as godhead in any translation on earth. Twisting truth into lies makes it seem so out of altered and error filled trinity translations that contradict Jesus to the core.

 

[Cougarbear]

You are going to be very angry when this day comes--They will have to know i am Jehovah.

No I’m not. I have been told by the Holy Ghost we are right and you are wrong.

 

[Cougarbear]

No bible teaches that. No such word as godhead in any translation on earth. Twisting truth into lies makes it seem so out of altered and error filled trinity translations that contradict Jesus to the core.

Colossians 2:9, “9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”

 

[onefour1]

Its been proven--The spirit water and blood are the 3 witness bearers. not as Catholicism translated to the Father, son and holy spirit= error. Proof came out of Catholic Archives late1960,s or early 1970,s.

The holy spirit has 0 personal name as all living beings do., never seen on a throne, never has honor, glory or the such given to it. One does not need to know the holy spirit to get eternal life( John 17:3)--Yet Father and son have it all.--It is Gods active force.

... never has honor, glory or the such given to it? I would consider it an honor and glory to be named as one of the three in heaven to be a witness of the truth and who bears record of it. Also to be considered to be one with the Father and Son says quite alot about the station of the Holy Ghost.

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Matthew 28:19
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

It would also be quite the honor to be named one of the three in heaven that all mankind are baptized in the name of, ie The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost! To be one with these two and to be baptized along side their names is giving the Holy Ghost great honor an glory. As the third member of the godhead, He is one with the Father and the Son. He is the only member of the godhead that if you blaspheme his name, you will not receive forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come. His witness is more powerful than the spoken word. He has the ability to touch your very soul.

 

[kjw47]

No I’m not. I have been told by the Holy Ghost we are right and you are wrong.

all of the hundreds of the house divided that will not stand says that.