There will NOT be an Ukranian Peace Deal

[Man With A Plan]

No. It's a loss for the Ukrainians. and Putin will be back as soon as he rebuilds his army.

Theyn would be stupid to take this one sided deal.

Ok...so how long do you think it's going to take Putin to replace the 3,800 tanks, the 9,000 armored vehicles, the 13,000 artillery pieces and 400 air defense systems he's lost over the past three years when Trump has got the price of oil down once again? The Russian economy is in the shitter and Trump will be keeping it there with his energy policies. So where does Putin come up with the money to finance all of that? That doesn't even start to deal with the loss of over half a million Russian soldiers.

 

[Man With A Plan]

tRump being a russian asset.

Did you forget what you posted already?

Biden was an asset to all of our adversaries. The weakest President in US history.

 

[kyzr]

Ok...so how long do you think it's going to take Putin to replace the 3,800 tanks, the 9,000 armored vehicles, the 13,000 artillery pieces and 400 air defense systems he's lost over the past three years when Trump has got the price of oil down once again? The Russian economy is in the shitter and Trump will be keeping it there with his energy policies. So where does Putin come up with the money to finance all of that? That doesn't even start to deal with the loss of over half a million Russian soldiers.

Not counting the young Russians who left Russia to avoid the draft.
Putin's economy may never recover, that's why he wants Trump to lift the sanctions as step-1.
Trump has Putin over a barrel and Zelensky thinks he will get Crimea back.
Both guys need a kick in the ass.

 

[rightwinger]

Did I say to concede everything? No. But that also means Ukraine isn’t going to get everything they want either. Your Chamberlain comparison is ******* stupid.

Have you seen what “deal” Trump is offering?
Ukraine gets nothing

 

[rightwinger]

Biden was an asset to all of our adversaries. The weakest President in US history.

Biden rallied our NATO allies to invoke crippling sanctions and provide military aid to Ukraine.

Surrender Monkey Trump is giving everything to Putin

 

[Godboy]

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn.

Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also voted to be returned to Russia or the other Russian areas that Russian forces have liberated and have been reincorporated into Russia.


In other words, so far, other than Crimea, President Trump has offered President Putin none of the former Russian territory that is now again part of Russia herself. Is the implication that Putin must hand back to Ukraine the territory from which Russian soldiers have driven out Ukrainian soldiers? So Putin’s 3+ years of war was all for nothing?

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal​

By Paul Craig Roberts



April 24, 2025

There Will Be No Ukrainian Peace Deal - LewRockwell

There cannot be a peace deal when President Trump only proposes that Russia keep Crimea, which Russia did not take in war but in an unanimous vote of the population in Crimea to be reunited with Russia from which Crimea had been torn. Trump has not included in the deal Russian Donbas, which also...

www.lewrockwell.com

Damn, that sucks for Ukraine. Now they are REALLY going to lose. A lot of people will die now and Russia will take even more of Ukraine. They really should have pushed for peace early on, but the billions that were rolling in were far too enticing. There was no way they were going to intentionally forfeit that money flow.

 

[Crepitus]

Ok...so how long do you think it's going to take Putin to replace the 3,800 tanks, the 9,000 armored vehicles, the 13,000 artillery pieces and 400 air defense systems he's lost over the past three years when Trump has got the price of oil down once again? The Russian economy is in the shitter and Trump will be keeping it there with his energy policies. So where does Putin come up with the money to finance all of that? That doesn't even start to deal with the loss of over half a million Russian soldiers.

A. tRump hasn't done anyting with the price od oil. That's OPEC wanting so fast cash.

B. as fast as he can so he can finish with Ukraine and move on to Poland or somewhere else.

 

[Crepitus]

Biden was an asset to all of our adversaries. The weakest President in US history.

And that's just lie.

Popular with the tRumplings, but still just a lie.

 

[Contumacious]

Damn, that sucks for Ukraine. Now they are REALLY going to lose. A lot of people will die now and Russia will take even more of Ukraine. They really should have pushed for peace early on, but the billions that were rolling in were far too enticing. There was no way they were going to intentionally forfeit that money flow.

Ukraine on Fire (2016) ⭐ 6.3 | Documentary

1h 35m

www.imdb.com

 

[kyzr]

Have you seen what “deal” Trump is offering?
Ukraine gets nothing

Ukraine gets to keep being an independent Ukraine, that is something, especially when Putin wants ALL of Ukraine.
Maybe when Putin is gone Ukraine can join NATO?
If the war keeps going Putin gets all of Ukraine meter by meter by meter.

 

[rightwinger]

Ukraine gets to keep being an independent Ukraine, that is something, especially when Putin wants ALL of Ukraine.
Maybe when Putin is gone Ukraine can join NATO?
If the war keeps going Putin gets all of Ukraine meter by meter by meter.

Putin blew his chance to take all of Ukraine three years ago. He no longer has the tanks or logistics to pull it off.

Trump is giving Putin a chance to rebuild his forces for the next ten years and then resume his attack

 

[Contumacious]

So, what you said that was you agreed that he is not doing that, thus, he is not playing his strongest card to get what you claim is his goal.

So... stalemate.


And meatgrinder.

There is NO EVIDENCE that Putin sought to annex Novorossiya prior to December 2013.

In December 2013 the Obama-Biden Administration started the Maidan Revolution

In February 2014 Obama-Biden removed duly elected Ukranian President Viktor Yanukovych and turned Ukraine into a CIA Colony

Putin demanded FOR 8 years that Ukraine status as a neutral buffer zone be restored

Obama-Biden installed CIA Puppet Poroshenko as the New Prime Minister

The ethnic Russians in Novorossiya objected and demanded independence from Ukraine

The CIA declared the ethnic Russians domestic terrorists and a genocide ensued

Putin accepted Novorossiya as part of Russia.

 

[sartre play]

Because Putin has nukes and Zelensky doesn't, duh.

DO you know why UKRAINE has no nukes?
DO YOU KNOW why America made the no nukes deal happen?
DO YOU THINK ITS OK for us to back out, After we said we would have there back?
Is it in our best interest to make deals and then back out when things get tough?

 

[kyzr]

Putin blew his chance to take all of Ukraine three years ago. He no longer has the tanks or logistics to pull it off.
Trump is giving Putin a chance to rebuild his forces for the next ten years and then resume his attack

Trump is giving Ukraine a shot at survival.
Any peace deal will have to include UN peacekeepers.
Any peace deal will have to include US miners in Ukraine under US protection.
Any future attack would involve US and NATO troops, not what Putin wants, if he's even alive in 10-years at 82 years old.

 

[Correll]

There is NO EVIDENCE that Putin sought to annex Novorossiya prior to December 2013.

In December 2013 the Obama-Biden Administration started the Maidan Revolution

In February 2014 Obama-Biden removed duly elected Ukranian President Viktor Yanukovych and turned Ukraine into a CIA Colony

Putin demanded FOR 8 years that Ukraine status as a neutral buffer zone be restored

Obama-Biden installed CIA Puppet Poroshenko as the New Prime Minister

The ethnic Russians in Novorossiya objected and demanded independence from Ukraine

The CIA declared the ethnic Russians domestic terrorists and a genocide ensued

Putin accepted Novorossiya as part of Russia.

How is any of that relevant to any point we were discussing?

 

[kyzr]

DO you know why UKRAINE has no nukes?

Because they gave their nukes up via the Budapest memorandum. for security guarantees.

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

DO YOU KNOW why America made the no nukes deal happen?

The Non Proliferation Treaty

DO YOU THINK ITS OK for us to back out, After we said we would have there back?

We gave Z a shot at a peace deal, he said no, he wants to keep Crimea, that is his decision to keep fighting, we are clear.

Is it in our best interest to make deals and then back out when things get tough?

We've done more than our share. Now its up to the EU to put up or shut up.

 

[Contumacious]

Trump is under no pressure from mitt romney. Romney ended his career and his relevance years ago.

Well this is the problem

the Magadonians hold a very tiny majority in the HOUSE

HOUSE GOP warmongers can easily join the Socialist Demon Rats and impeach President Trump

in that case President Trump would need all Senate Republicans to dismiss the impeachment

So President Trump is between a rock and a hardplace nothwithstanding the fact that we gave him a landslide victory

 

[Correll]

Well this is the problem

the Magadonians hold a very tiny majority in the HOUSE

HOUSE GOP warmongers can easily join the Socialist Demon Rats and impeach President Trump

in that case President Trump would need all Senate Republicans to dismiss the impeachment

So President Trump is between a rock and a hardplace nothwithstanding the fact that we gave him a landslide victory

That is not going to happen.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is giving Ukraine a shot at survival.
Any peace deal will have to include UN peacekeepers.
Any peace deal will have to include US miners in Ukraine under US protection.
Any future attack would involve US and NATO troops, not what Putin wants, if he's even alive in 10-years at 82 years old.

Trump is rewarding Putin for his invasion and war crimes

 

[Correll]

Trump is rewarding Putin for his invasion and war crimes

Do you think that Ukraine is going to be able to push Russia out of all the occupied territories, including the Crimea? Yes or NO.